Because 90% of the randoms have no idea what they are doing or did you never wondered why they all like to hack red LAVS to drive around with (LAVs must be so exotic to them as they haven't found the right-Pad-arrow yet) and just look at that red letter 'A' doing nothing?

The deal is the current system does allow you to reliably deploy up 16 people to faction warfare. The problem is that the where and enabling the system to easily allow fights against other full teams for a larger purpose just isn't quite there. Just having team deploy without any deeper doesn't really do anything.

If this is the reason why team deploy is being held up then I find that sad.

Give us team deploy and allow us to team up with our own corp and then fix the where and why.
Give us a team finder like we have a squad finder so that if we do not have a team we can at least try and find one.

I understand the end game of the where and why and that is the one reason why I have played this game this long. I have been waiting for the where and the why, but if the where and the why is holding up team deploy then that is just bad.

Then why have we given them squad finder?

I figure that at least if they have the drive enough to look for a team to deploy with that they might have some wits about them.

But hey whatever man you can stick with the current system because that is working out great right?

Or how bout if they jump into your team and maybe, just maybe you being an all high and mighty DUST player you can teach them something.

I know if I had two squads or even one and a half squads that where able to deploy together and then we had to fill in randoms to finish the team it would be a whole lot better than not being able to have the choice of team deploy at all.

Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves.

1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen.
2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy.

We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot.

+1 to the OP

There really needs to be something that allows the fights to be directed from Eve and those pilots need to at least have the option to chose who they have fight.

The mic bugs in team chat need to be fixed as well. It makes organized ops like this even more difficult.

While the geography in Dust may not seem important the tools need to be in place to allow the importance of the geography to emerge.

Wow! so you attempt to help caldari and amarr out? we galantes and minmatars lost the last FW event why not give us the bonuses? F***ing racist literally!

If all you want is to fight with 16 people in your own corp on one side in a FW match you can do that already. If that is all you think team deploy is then the feature for you is live already. Log in, organize your coms, and enjoy.

No it is not, that is Q syncing.
I want Team/Clan Deploy, which allows a team/clan to enter a queue as one group. Not this Q sync BS.

No it is not, that is Q syncing.
I want Team/Clan Deploy, which allows a team/clan to enter a queue as one group. Not this Q sync BS.

All this focus on specific ideas (team deploy, choosing where to attack, etc) and how exactly to implement them is pointless.

Where is the vision from the relevant CCP staff about injecting the MMO into the lobby FPS that we currently have? Nullabor, FoxFour, Rouge... I'm looking at you and hearing a gulf of silence. What is the vision and what are the [boardstroke] elements that you plan to develop and how will they deliver your vision?

This is my two ISK on the topic.

We have a wonderful star map, so let's use it.

What about the following:
EVE can set up attack or defense contracts based on region (or perhaps constellations)
- The ISK put into these contracts is put into a pool which will be distributed with a fixed amount per successful battle in this region until the pool is depleted.
- The ISK will be paid out to the team IF the contract is fulfilled (attack or defense achieved) and is distributed based on war-points (as pub games).
- It is not possible for a faction to have both attack and defense contracts active for the same region.

2) misc
- The squad structure (and squad finder) is expanded to handle 16 players, let's call it a "platoon"
- In the battle finder screen for FW, there is a button to open the star map.

3) In the star map, any possible districts to attack show up on as a crossed sword (similar to today's ongoing battles), and can be based on today's eve plexing or some other mechanic.
- Districts which have a EVE (attack) contract attached to it will be indicated a different color, or have a small icon next to it to indicate there are additional benefits attacking this particular district.
- Attack contracts issued from eve can only be accepted by full platoons.
- When a attack contract is accepted, there is a 5 minute period where a new defense icon (shield) is highlighted, and a countdown is visible on the star map for the district.
- IF there is a eve defense contract applied to the district, this can only be accepted by full platoons for the first 4 minutes. After this point the matchmaker kicks in to try and fill the match, with squads as a priority.


The result of all this is:
- For organized platoons, there is a window of opportunity to get a 1:1 match though the star map.
- You can select which district to attack or defend (IF you use the star map)
- Fighting will be concentrated to regions where EVE place contracts, as this will be the only way to receive ISK in FW.
- Selecting a faction in the battle finder (without using the star map), will put you in a "random" defense or attack fight (as today).

The downside is of course:
- When no full platoon have accepted the defense contract in 4min, the resulting battle will probably be very one sided (1 full platoon vs random squads or in worst case blueberries).

The thing is though, if EVE is not ready to put down the ISK for a defense contract, or if no organized platoons are ready to accept in time, why should it be a even match?
The goal of FW is to take supremacy of the region(s), the who and why is only a byproduct.


Thoughts?

Good teams smashing randoms is already something that takes place in FW and likely will never go away.

Team deploy wouldn't be something to replace how FW currently plays out (the pubs of FW if you will) but be something that supplements it and focuses the organized groups into another layer of FW that has a deeper connection and working with the Eve side.

You are right that it does take some effort to sync, but since we have some semblance of team deploy I would say the most pressing need is to first add ISK to the current LP payouts. If FW withers and dies in terms of it's PCU then that doesn't really help anyone.

Second is the balance of defense and attacking because right now it's just plain screwed up and that effects everyone whether you are solo or synching.

Third, their needs to be a sensible way for Dusters to choose where they fight.

Fourth, Eve needs to be able to choose which systems to fight in (I would make the third and forth happen at the same time).

Last in this progression of awesomeness would be Eve being able to make contracts to Dust that are both public and private.

The deal is the current system does allow you to reliably deploy up 16 people to faction warfare. The problem is that the where and enabling the system to easily allow fights against other full teams for a larger purpose just isn't quite there. Just having team deploy without any deeper doesn't really do anything.

So yeah okay when you put it like that sure I agree.
But how long will we get all of the above? SoonGäó?

It still would be nice to have a team deploy option now though .

Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves.

1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen.
2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy.

We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot.

Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves.

1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen.
2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy.

We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot.

How about letting EVE pilots bombard for their boys on the ground regardless of FW enlistment (or let randoms do it and this might lead to them joining militias)?

I'm going to beat this horse to death and keep on beating: If you want EVE players to accept Dust players in their universe, allow them to do so through the most meaningful connection: murder from the sky.

Remove LP payouts if the player/corp/alliance isn't a member of FW, let them choose a side when they connect to the district, then flag them as suspect for as long as they are connected. It solves all problems.

No. You have such bad ideas please refrain from posting in my threads.

No. You have such bad ideas please refrain from posting in my threads.

Edit: As someone who plays FW for all 4 factions all the time i will tell you there is almost zero OB support so why in the hell would you want to reduce the pool of potential OB pilots. I can't comprehend this level of stupidity