It's idiots like you that makes me want to beat you to death...CCP has stated that FW is not want they want it to be and admits it's flawed.

Buy hey, congrats, you're kicking ass in a flawed system when the three of us even separate are better at this game than you can dream to be.

Dumbass.

So today we attempted to Q sync to fight for the caldari faction. Armed with eve pilots plexing and providing orbital support we made all haste to take the Eha system for them. For many of us vets that have been around since replication itGÇÖs been a long time coming. We had been testing what we can and can not do in fw since 1.7 was released and found a way to use the system to get it to do what we wanted(or at least we had hoped). We had almost 10 full squads of players (and more still looking for squad) from Imps, TP, AE, FA, Rainbow effect, STB, OH, Nyain San, Hellstorm, EON, WTF, SI, etc and I probably missed a few. A channel full of frenemies if you would, and I couldnGÇÖt have been happier to see you all /me hugs dust nerds. (Shout out to the Caldari eve pilots who I will keep nameless and those willing to pay for dust mercs services)

This is where all the good news ends. It turned out to be a complete cluster **** and not for our lack of trying. Even with eve pilots in system it was almost impossible to get a eha battle and when we did caldari was defending districts they didnGÇÖt own it seemed. IGÇÖll spare you all the pleasant holiday well wishes the that was spoke about ccp in our fw channel. So now that we have had time with 1.7 and know what we can and cant do and what needs to be done I have volunteered to bring the info to you.

First I will say you donGÇÖt have a choice these changes need to be in 1.8 and there doesnGÇÖt need to be a 1.8 till these changes are in it.

1.If caldari or amarr have no districts they should be attacking not defending donGÇÖt you think? So how to solve this at this point in time I am open to solutions. In discussions with other fw players here are a few of their ideas.

a.If your faction owns under 20% system district you always attack.

b.Scale attack defend ratio based upon system control aka you own 20% you attack 80%

c.If you win a defense match you get to attack next match

2.Private contracts. Simple eve players/corps/milita can award private contract to dust corps/alliance. Roles should piggy back dust side like in PC. Players get paid not corps. Should also have defensive contract for that can be assigned private or if no one dust they become public (anyone can join). Rewards should be more

3.Rewards. At the moment FW needs isk, I understand you have a long term play with player market and trading but FW needs isk pay outs now.

4.Make more rewards for Eve FW militas (donGÇÖt care how at this point but OB support is amazing)

5.TEAM DEPLOY ( edit: this is for private contracts only, pub fw matches can be q sync'd )

6.TEAM DEPLOY

7.TEAM DEPLOY (like in PC)

8.TEAM DEPLOY (glares at CCP Nullarbor while hearing telc yell about team deploy in his head)

So I tried to keep it simple and not offer a laundry list of things. So other players feel free to add or discuss ideas above.

So what I am about to say may get me stoned out of the dust nerd club but here it goes. Turn off PC. FW is about mercs working for the factions and eve pilots. Focus efforts there please. PC 2.0 in nullsec is a different story. I know have never been a fan of PC in its current state to you can take my idea with a grain of salt. Remember with the lp system isk is less of a factor if you are limited by standing and the amount of lp you have.

Dust #1 fanboi
Free Beers

I'm with you on everything but Number 3.

I'd much rather they deploy all the rest of what you just said with a secondary player market, which really should have deployed with Faction Warfare in the first place. Let's get some commerce started at long last.

We knew this would happen while there was no player market and expected players to have to play both pubs and fw for the time being.

I really like the idea of having eve pilots able to choose some Fw districts to attack. It makes sense to coordinate ground attacks and space operations.

I'm saving this for future threads...

BUMP-ITY

Even an update every two months would be good by me. Cleaner content is better than fixing stuff month after month.

I'm going to put on a project manager hat for a moment and hopefully explain that statement a little better, although feel free to keep your sound bite ;)

Development of a feature takes a finite amount of time. When planning a release we are balancing what hits short term goals, what fits as part of the longer term plan, is there an order some things have to be done in and how long will it all take. Some things just physically take longer to do or cannot be done until certain other dependencies have been completed. It has nothing to do whether or not we think it might be "difficult", just a very pragmatic view on the hours available in a day to actually code and test it all.

So for planning 1.7 for example, we put all the different features up on a board and prioritized / cost estimated each thing out. Team deploy just landed on the other side of the line as to what we could fit in the time we had available without significantly affecting the other things we could deliver for that release.

Make sense? I think it's actually all pretty straight forward and boring however I don't expect players to necessarily care. I understand the frustration that good ideas aren't delivered intermediately. The teams have the same passion for getting it all done.

Make sense? I think it's actually all pretty straight forward and boring however I don't expect players to necessarily care. I understand the frustration that good ideas aren't delivered intermediately. The teams have the same passion for getting it all done.

Per Nullarbor today they haven't done it yet because its a lot of effort. So we have to have isk rewards. You i assumed you would agree with 3 now

I still have a hard time grasping LP gear also costing isk, and each store is incomplete.

obviously each faction has certain things, based on the factions (shields etc.)

to make FW self sustaining all markets should have all items available, and the specialty ones perhaps cheaper for the faction of origin.

we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work

I'm going to put on a project manager hat for a moment and hopefully explain that statement a little better, although feel free to keep your sound bite ;)

Development of a feature takes a finite amount of time. When planning a release we are balancing what hits short term goals, what fits as part of the longer term plan, is there an order some things have to be done in and how long will it all take. Some things just physically take longer to do or cannot be done until certain other dependencies have been completed. It has nothing to do whether or not we think it might be "difficult", just a very pragmatic view on the hours available in a day to actually code and test it all.

So for planning 1.7 for example, we put all the different features up on a board and prioritized / cost estimated each thing out. Team deploy just landed on the other side of the line as to what we could fit in the time we had available without significantly affecting the other things we could deliver for that release.

Make sense? I think it's actually all pretty straight forward and boring however I don't expect players to necessarily care. I understand the frustration that good ideas aren't delivered intermediately. The teams have the same passion for getting it all done.

1) Maybe players could choose what system they want to deploy into and whether it's an attack or a defense? Maybe players in EVE could start the battles for a faction, and then deploy mercs there?

Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves.

1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen.
2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy.

We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot.

I'm going to put on a project manager hat for a moment and hopefully explain that statement a little better, although feel free to keep your sound bite ;)

Development of a feature takes a finite amount of time. When planning a release we are balancing what hits short term goals, what fits as part of the longer term plan, is there an order some things have to be done in and how long will it all take. Some things just physically take longer to do or cannot be done until certain other dependencies have been completed. It has nothing to do whether or not we think it might be "difficult", just a very pragmatic view on the hours available in a day to actually code and test it all.

So for planning 1.7 for example, we put all the different features up on a board and prioritized / cost estimated each thing out. Team deploy just landed on the other side of the line as to what we could fit in the time we had available without significantly affecting the other things we could deliver for that release.

Make sense? I think it's actually all pretty straight forward and boring however I don't expect players to necessarily care. I understand the frustration that good ideas aren't delivered intermediately. The teams have the same passion for getting it all done.

got your skirt all ruffled up kid, dont get so mad about the ass kickings were handing you scrubs

Guys, don't believe the "LONG TERM PLAN" nonsense until they share it with us.

It's the same as the SOON(TM), ROADMAP,... stuff.

Maybe they should put on their communication-hat for once.

got your skirt all ruffled up kid, dont get so mad about the ass kickings were handing you scrubs

Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves.

1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen.
2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy.

We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot.

First I will say you donGÇÖt have a choice these changes need to be in 1.8 and there doesnGÇÖt need to be a 1.8 till these changes are in it.

1.If caldari or amarr have no districts they should be attacking not defending donGÇÖt you think? So how to solve this at this point in time I am open to solutions. In discussions with other fw players here are a few of their ideas.

a.If your faction owns under 20% system district you always attack.

b.Scale attack defend ratio based upon system control aka you own 20% you attack 80%

c.If you win a defense match you get to attack next match

2.Private contracts. Simple eve players/corps/milita can award private contract to dust corps/alliance. Roles should piggy back dust side like in PC. Players get paid not corps. Should also have defensive contract for that can be assigned private or if no one dust they become public (anyone can join). Rewards should be more

3.Rewards. At the moment FW needs isk, I understand you have a long term play with player market and trading but FW needs isk pay outs now.

4.Make more rewards for Eve FW militas (donGÇÖt care how at this point but OB support is amazing)

5.TEAM DEPLOY ( edit: this is for private contracts only, pub fw matches can be q sync'd )

6.TEAM DEPLOY

7.TEAM DEPLOY (like in PC)

8.TEAM DEPLOY (glares at CCP Nullarbor while hearing telc yell about team deploy in his head)

So I tried to keep it simple and not offer a laundry list of things. So other players feel free to add or discuss ideas above.

So what I am about to say may get me stoned out of the dust nerd club but here it goes. Turn off PC. FW is about mercs working for the factions and eve pilots. Focus efforts there please. PC 2.0 in nullsec is a different story. I know have never been a fan of PC in its current state to you can take my idea with a grain of salt. Remember with the lp system isk is less of a factor if you are limited by standing and the amount of lp you have.

Dust #1 fanboi
Free Beers

Well, that's just how loyalty points work both in FW and in "normal" EVE gameplay. That's the "loyalty" part in them and it wouldn't really work if you could spend Ammar LP in the Minmatar store.

At least in Dust you have only 4 factions, in EVE every NPC corporation has it's own loyalty store - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Loyalty_point