DUST Search - Dear Team True Grit: 1.8 FW Changes needed

Requin Toblat wrote:

Tesfa Alem wrote:

CCP Nullarbor wrote:

Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves.

1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen.
2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy.

We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot.

Well, how will team deploy be implemented? If there's team deploy without matchmaking against other teams, 16 organized players showing up against randoms, or even squads of 6 means the battle is lost before it started. In that sense why even bother allowing players from any other corp in FW besides the big ones? Hopefully Scotty will pit teams against each other.

I understand the idea of choosing selecting which contracts to take, but OP tends to have forgotten that contracts in its current form in gallente caldari war for example are also generated by Gallente capsuleers.

There shouldn't be an isk payout, the loyalty store already makes items cheap. If they can't spalsh out 8K isk for a proto suit, well that's their own problem.

FW could use some work, but don't just hand the games in it over to the who's who of pubstompers just because their favored race as a whole are getting their butts kicked.

Glad you picked up on this Tesfa as I was going to say something on this topic too!

As much as I agree with most of the OP's comments, as well as many of the other views and ideas put forward in this thread (I would also like to see team Deploy btw), I am a little concerned with the idea of this feature with the current matchmaking.

As I understand it squads are already prioritised for FW, so I take it that if Team Deploy is activated that it would trump squads, which leads on to other issues.

Many of the large corps that have been involved with PC and their players have made a lot of isk, rightly so, they've made the effort to take districts. But there are many small corps out there that have never and would never stand a chance at PC, there is now quite a large isk gap between these large corps and the small ones in the game.

FW was a little bit of haven for a squad or two from small or medium size corps to run together, with a few other random squads on their team and couple of blueberries thrown in to fill up the team. Something a little more than standard pub matches.

As Tesfa says these teams of mixed squads would be no match for A Team Deploy team either in communication or Isk reserves, the battle would be lost before it had even started (This is of course happening now for other reasons see Gal/Min Vs Cal/Amr)

TL;DR
I can see that with PC being as broken as it is atm, that many of the corps in PC will turn to FW as an alternative, which with current matchmaking , their iso reserves and a proposed Team Deploy will lead to massive pub stomps


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TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1852	Posted - 2013.12.30 13:34:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves. 1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen. 2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy. We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot. Make it so we can pick from available contracts rather than the ability to start them as we are mercs then I'll agree to specific system deployment. We will have been stripped of almost all mercenary elements the moment we can. Claim sovereignty Start contracts Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1852	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:57:00 - [2] - Quote Totally agreed on removing pc completely and over hauling it. Its nowhere near anything great I thought it would be and is completely off the merc path I'd hoped for, view shared by hundreds but most likely thousands. It needs things like - Eve corp interaction/ownership of some kind Ability for us dust mercs to gain standings with eve corps District bonuses etc Can't think of much at the mo sadly lol but if we had eve running the show we could remove the magic timers because we wouldn't be launching magical clone attacks with set times, the transports would ship clones in real time in eve but for this to work we'd need more territory I believe. We also need to build it around dust and eve in mind but I'd say eve takes precedence because so much can be done in eve, try squezzing dust in with eve and not the other way round concerning pc because the bottom line is that we go into a match a kill each other, sit in the mq or stand in the warbarge pretending to bum each other. I have a lot of ideas but can't think at the mo so I'll just say that pc, although theres some great technical achievements there for you ccp, its just not fun, its completely off the mark concerning being a merc beyond circle jerking in the war room and bragging. Its just completely off the mark totally and I'm hoping now after a few months more people are realising this, it needs a massive change. Anything you implement on what we have just polishes the turd a bit, its still just going to be a turd. Sorry I CBA to expand much at the mo and it is pretty vague. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1852	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:11:00 - [3] - Quote I'd also like to add that if we could gain standings with eve corps, you wouldn't lose any fighting against a corp you have good standings with as you are a merc but of course the eve corp could deny you future contracts? Etc You could also apply for something like citizenship with an eve corp you have Max standings with, again it would be up to their CEO to accept or deny this (trollish opportunities for you scum at the back) which would grant you isk bonuses and maybe certain levels of standings give you access to said eve corps hangar? Free access before mission to std, ADV and proto gear? Obviously the corp would need to manufacture or buy the items. Random ideas. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1860	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:20:00 - [4] - Quote Requin Toblat wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves. 1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen. 2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy. We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot. Well, how will team deploy be implemented? If there's team deploy without matchmaking against other teams, 16 organized players showing up against randoms, or even squads of 6 means the battle is lost before it started. In that sense why even bother allowing players from any other corp in FW besides the big ones? Hopefully Scotty will pit teams against each other. I understand the idea of choosing selecting which contracts to take, but OP tends to have forgotten that contracts in its current form in gallente caldari war for example are also generated by Gallente capsuleers. There shouldn't be an isk payout, the loyalty store already makes items cheap. If they can't spalsh out 8K isk for a proto suit, well that's their own problem. FW could use some work, but don't just hand the games in it over to the who's who of pubstompers just because their favored race as a whole are getting their butts kicked. Glad you picked up on this Tesfa as I was going to say something on this topic too! As much as I agree with most of the OP's comments, as well as many of the other views and ideas put forward in this thread (I would also like to see team Deploy btw), I am a little concerned with the idea of this feature with the current matchmaking. As I understand it squads are already prioritised for FW, so I take it that if Team Deploy is activated that it would trump squads, which leads on to other issues. Many of the large corps that have been involved with PC and their players have made a lot of isk, rightly so, they've made the effort to take districts. But there are many small corps out there that have never and would never stand a chance at PC, there is now quite a large isk gap between these large corps and the small ones in the game. FW was a little bit of haven for a squad or two from small or medium size corps to run together, with a few other random squads on their team and couple of blueberries thrown in to fill up the team. Something a little more than standard pub matches. As Tesfa says these teams of mixed squads would be no match for A Team Deploy team either in communication or Isk reserves, the battle would be lost before it had even started (This is of course happening now for other reasons see Gal/Min Vs Cal/Amr) TL;DR I can see that with PC being as broken as it is atm, that many of the corps in PC will turn to FW as an alternative, which with current matchmaking , their iso reserves and a proposed Team Deploy will lead to massive pub stomps If eve ran the show like it should be then they'd buy the clones and transport us, they'd effectively be buying our consciousness temporarily and it would be peanuts for them. They could set the contract rewards, again peanuts to them is insurmountable amounts to us, any corp could then do it but it needs to all be worth it for eve pilots. So many problems with pc would be eradicated if eve capsuleers ran the show, giving us this much control over it is the problem because we can't actually do much on this platform. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1860	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:32:00 - [5] - Quote Requin Toblat wrote: Agreed TechMechMeds, just wanted to get the point across that a Team Deploy mechanic better be thoroughly tested before being released into the wild, otherwise we just end up with another broken mechanic that need fixing. It was mentioned that teams would only be able to fight teams, not team vs randoms, im not sure if that's official but it'd best be or I'll die laughing. I feel very strongly about the core issue about pc, the whole thing is just backwards lol, capsuleers take a back seat while we have a miniature dirt war lol. Pc is off the rails mate Lol. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.