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Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 401	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:54:00 - [1] - Quote You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it..
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 211	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:56:00 - [2] - Quote My combat rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 256	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:59:00 - [3] - Quote All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 402	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:01:00 - [4] - Quote I-¦m getting shot all over the place in no time at the moment. Skilled into Rail Rifle Op level1 to try it out and dear me.. 2 easy.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 97	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:01:00 - [5] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: My combat rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time a commando user as appeared When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 402	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:02:00 - [6] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah my armor ssuit has a rifle that does damage to armor wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it And now you bring your tears to my thread? I for one do not cry over a free video game but I do like to discuss the obvious.
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 211	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:05:00 - [7] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: My combat rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time a commando user as appeared gotta max that reload speed son Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 402	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:06:00 - [8] - Quote Are you guys skilling into a weapon that is obviously gonna get a BIG nerve? What-¦s going on?
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 256	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:08:00 - [9] - Quote You sir are not bright it does 20% extra damage to shields are is it 10%? Whatever the point is that when you run a suit that is amarr or gallente it does extra damage including damage mods and prof lvl. I'm a shield kinda guy you know what seems op to me scr and gar. Reasoning damage mods prof lvl and it does 110% to shields. But now I think they are all balanced. But that's my opinion you can tear my thought up now We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 256	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:09:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Are you guys skilling into a weapon that is obviously gonna get a BIG nerve? What-¦s going on? Psst they aren't going to nerf the gar never did look at logi's also they don't care. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 403	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:10:00 - [11] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: You sir are not bright Yeah.. I stopped reading after that. Learn manners lil kid. Besides.. Stats don-¦t matter 2 me. What happens on the battlefield is what counts.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 256	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:13:00 - [12] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: You sir are not bright Yeah.. I stopped reading after that. Learn manners lil kid. Besides.. Stats don-¦t matter 2 me. What happens on the battlefield is what counts. That hurts me a lil kid bah. Manners in a troll environment learn your place padawan I'm gonna find you and give you kittens. Yes kittens why because science We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 828	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:14:00 - [13] - Quote I would say the Rail Rifle is balanced (or nearly so) with the Scrambler Rifle and Combat Rifle. However, the Rail Rifle is much more common because it is an easier weapon to use. While the RR has more straight up damage potential, the downsides help keep it from outperforming good SCR and CR users. The spool-up time, while not significant, is enough to give a quick reacting SCR and CR user a good opportunity to take down a RR user. Additionally, the spool-up time makes it a very poor weapon when exchanging shots with someone ducking in and out of cover. The other downside of the RR is that though the kick doesn't seem to be too great, there is enough that tracking moving enemies at a distance is quite difficult. !
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 403	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:29:00 - [14] - Quote We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 316	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:39:00 - [15] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it Yup it has does it hinder me nope honestly I dindn't even noticed the charge until I was exactly looking for it...
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. 1106	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:42:00 - [16] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. I'm not 100% sure what you just said but I think that I partially agree. The new ARs are ballanced with the other AR like weapons in the game. The issue with this is that not all the other weapons are ballanced with the ARs (GAR, SCR, RR, CR). The HMG is a particularly heinous example of this since in its current state it can barely outgun an SMG let alone a full proto AR of any racial variant. Now that CCP has built a balanced bunch of AR's they need to boost the damage potential of other weapons to match. Fun > Realism
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 582	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:59:00 - [17] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. i'm surprised that You weren't typing in Caps to scream out RR OP. lol I'm guessing tomorrow you are gonna say CR is OP. unless you specced into CR and not RR. Just FYI Duvolle works even better now.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 96	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:11:00 - [18] - Quote Its not so easy using the rr. The people using them is what's key. The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 72	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:14:00 - [19] - Quote Every new weapon is better ( except for the horrid plasma cannon ) It helps reiterate that your grind will never be complete.
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 72	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:23:00 - [20] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it Skill into another racial suit and see how you like it. Armor has always been at a disadvantage in this game. I ran Gallente assault suits from the first day they were available. Almost always advanced fits. Have recently been running standard tier Caldari assault suits, and they are so much more survivable. There is no balance, and CCP has been making multiple changes to gear all at once without regard to the players who wasted sp. Example: swarm damage and range nerfed in one shot. I saw five people using swarms against one dropship earlier (at once), dropship got away.

Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 404	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:44:00 - [21] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. i'm surprised that You weren't typing in Caps to scream out RR OP. lol I'm guessing tomorrow you are gonna say CR is OP. unless you specced into CR and not RR. Just FYI Duvolle works even better now. I-¦m seeing many things out on the battlefield at the moment that are OP. Don-¦t get me started on the tanks. And then we have other stuff going the opposite way like the swarm launchers hardly working at all. This game was more balanced before this update.
HyperionsThunder Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 157	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:53:00 - [22] - Quote The combat rifle also benefits from +10% dam vs. armor, but suffers a smaller reduction vs. shields (-5% vs. -10%). Nevertheless, this gun will hopefully balance out the problem with everyone armor stacking on gal logi suits. Common sense will prevail. Adapt or die.
TheSprayNPray2 Fatal Absolution 241	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:53:00 - [23] - Quote The boundless combat rifle with proficiency 5 and 2 damage mods.... it does about 47damge a bullet it is pretty crazy.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4776	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:56:00 - [24] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it Being a RR user, that time is essentially non existant, and after you start firing you either hold trigger until you die or kill your enemy.... its well....pretty easy, and pretty powerful. In the end I see a 0.1 sec or 0.2 addition to the charge up time as an acceptable nerf, I don't like reducing gun power.... "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Beyond Creation Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:58:00 - [25] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Are you guys skilling into a weapon that is obviously gonna get a BIG nerve? What-¦s going on? Psst they aren't going to nerf the gar never did look at logi's also they don't care. They actually nerfed the amarr logi by taking away one of the four equipment slots :p
Lucrezia LeGrand Sentinels of New Eden 94	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:59:00 - [26] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. pew pew pew
Beyond Creation Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:02:00 - [27] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: Every new weapon is better ( except for the horrid plasma cannon ) It helps reiterate that your grind will never be complete. The plasma cannon is a great weapon!!!
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 382	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:02:00 - [28] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. Its good, but in cqc vs ar or smg its trash You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
HyperionsThunder Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 157	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:02:00 - [29] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. pew pew pew I like the sound X-D. It will force people to use shields, for sure. Common sense will prevail. Adapt or die.
Beyond Creation Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:04:00 - [30] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it Skill into another racial suit and see how you like it. Armor has always been at a disadvantage in this game. I ran Gallente assault suits from the first day they were available. Almost always advanced fits. Have recently been running standard tier Caldari assault suits, and they are so much more survivable. There is no balance, and CCP has been making multiple changes to gear all at once without regard to the players who wasted sp. Example: swarm damage and range nerfed in one shot. I saw five people using swarms against one dropship earlier (at once), dropship got away. Swarms dont do **** to shielded dropships unless you have about four volleys in less than 5 seconds cuz the passive unskilled recharge rate is like 200 sumthin after 8 sec and it fills fast

Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1110	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:35:00 - [31] - Quote HyperionsThunder wrote: Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. pew pew pew I like the sound X-D. It will force people to use shields, for sure. Naw it won't. If people switch to shields everyone will just start running their scrambler fits again. Plus this build penalized shields with a penalty on extenders. I agree the sound is great (it is fitting for a "Hi-tech" weapon to have a funny pew pew sound) and that we, as gamers, have an obsession with the new. Fun > Realism
Minako Nakajima Vortex State Empire Dark Taboo 53	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:39:00 - [32] - Quote stop dying lol "Looks can kill." // Terminally Insane
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 237	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:46:00 - [33] - Quote Kaal Rail Rifle, Duv TAC, Six Kin CR and Imp SR are all wicked. Best of the best when it comes to guns. Get used to it. To nerf one and not the others you will create imbalance. Now the LR needs a buff.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4137	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:56:00 - [34] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it Skill into another racial suit and see how you like it. Armor has always been at a disadvantage in this game. I ran Gallente assault suits from the first day they were available. Almost always advanced fits. Have recently been running standard tier Caldari assault suits, and they are so much more survivable. There is no balance, and CCP has been making multiple changes to gear all at once without regard to the players who wasted sp. Example: swarm damage and range nerfed in one shot. I saw five people using swarms against one dropship earlier (at once), dropship got away. well running away is what dropships are best at, add a hardener and unless forges come out to play your good. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4137	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:57:00 - [35] - Quote Beyond Creation wrote: Lazy Scumbag wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it Skill into another racial suit and see how you like it. Armor has always been at a disadvantage in this game. I ran Gallente assault suits from the first day they were available. Almost always advanced fits. Have recently been running standard tier Caldari assault suits, and they are so much more survivable. There is no balance, and CCP has been making multiple changes to gear all at once without regard to the players who wasted sp. Example: swarm damage and range nerfed in one shot. I saw five people using swarms against one dropship earlier (at once), dropship got away. Swarms dont do **** to shielded dropships unless you have about four volleys in less than 5 seconds cuz the passive unskilled recharge rate is like 200 sumthin after 8 sec and it fills fast 224hp/s on the python, and the delay can be reduced with skills, combine with a hardener and you can actually outrep the swarm damage. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2005	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:00:00 - [36] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. Posting in the Dust 514 forums about unbalanced? Please, bring something new to these forums. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 13	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:02:00 - [37] - Quote I was nervous and thinking about changing my commando from duvolle and swarm, but some practice its still a doable av fit. But i wish i could go back to hmg, i loved mowing the lawn Soldiers Blue in the barren waste, hunting and killing their game.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 405	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:03:00 - [38] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. Posting in the Dust 514 forums about unbalanced? Please, bring something new to these forums. The Rail Rifle is new to this forum. Where have you been?
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2005	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:06:00 - [39] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. Posting in the Dust 514 forums about unbalanced? Please, bring something new to these forums. The Rail Rifle is new to this forum. Where have you been? Did you even read my post? Bolded the part you may have missed. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Terram Nenokal Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 256	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:07:00 - [40] - Quote I'm still using my Tac AR and doing fine. The RR isn't that great tbh.

Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:08:00 - [41] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. Posting in the Dust 514 forums about unbalanced? Please, bring something new to these forums. The Rail Rifle is new to this forum. Where have you been? Did you even read my post? Bolded the part you may have missed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2990	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:10:00 - [42] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. I still think the AR is the superior weapon and ... King Checkmate's concience: '' Dont...just...dont...'' SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2008	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:10:00 - [43] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm You can't read sarcasm. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 170	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:11:00 - [44] - Quote Beyond Creation wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Are you guys skilling into a weapon that is obviously gonna get a BIG nerve? What-¦s going on? Psst they aren't going to nerf the gar never did look at logi's also they don't care. They actually nerfed the amarr logi by taking away one of the four equipment slots :p Amarr never had 4 equipment slots, you dolt. Only Gallente and Minmatar have ever had 4. Closed Beta Vet since July, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:11:00 - [45] - Quote Terram Nenokal wrote: I'm still using my Tac AR and doing fine. The RR isn't that great tbh. I-¦m also using my AR-¦s of course. Skilled into RR level1 to try it out and got pretty good resaults with it. I can only imagine that the RR is pretty powerful in proto with maxed out skills.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2008	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:12:00 - [46] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Beyond Creation wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Are you guys skilling into a weapon that is obviously gonna get a BIG nerve? What-¦s going on? Psst they aren't going to nerf the gar never did look at logi's also they don't care. They actually nerfed the amarr logi by taking away one of the four equipment slots :p Amarr never had 4 equipment slots, you dolt. Only Gallente and Minmatar have ever had 4. If I had read that, I would've virtually slapped that guy. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:13:00 - [47] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. I still think the AR is the superior weapon and ... King Checkmate's concience: '' Dont...just...dont...'' The AR is a classic and I love it just the way it is :)
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 505	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:13:00 - [48] - Quote i dont think ive been killed by rail rifles yet. but i can tell u ive been killed by a dang combat rifle. what evers making it so op looking needs to be found out and destroyed. mostly talking about the damage percentages..
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4140	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:15:00 - [49] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm You can't read sarcasm. i just did Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2008	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:16:00 - [50] - Quote gbghg wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm You can't read sarcasm. i just did GODDAMMIT When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!

Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:17:00 - [51] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: i dont think ive been killed by rail rifles yet. but i can tell u ive been killed by a dang combat rifle. what evers making it so op looking needs to be found out and destroyed. mostly talking about the damage percentages.. I-¦m running around in a butter like Mimitar medium suit. I might as well run around naked against this OP RR..
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4142	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:19:00 - [52] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: gbghg wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm You can't read sarcasm. i just did GODDAMMIT Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 507	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:19:00 - [53] - Quote i wasnt talking about the rail rifle..
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 112	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:20:00 - [54] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: CLONE117 wrote: i dont think ive been killed by rail rifles yet. but i can tell u ive been killed by a dang combat rifle. what evers making it so op looking needs to be found out and destroyed. mostly talking about the damage percentages.. I-¦m running around in a butter like Mimitar medium suit. I might as well run around naked against this OP RR.. believe it or not im having better luck surviving against the RR that the SCR....Then again I shield tank so... When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 625	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:23:00 - [55] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. There is nothing wrong with the rail rifle I've been killing RR users useing the CR and AR all day. Get gud scrub. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 420	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:28:00 - [56] - Quote RR is not overpowered. At all.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2995	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:29:00 - [57] - Quote MESSAGE TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU! RIFLES ARE NOT OP! THEIR ASSAULT VERSIONS ARE.......... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:29:00 - [58] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. There is nothing wrong with the rail rifle I've been killing RR users useing the CR and AR all day. Get gud scrub. Oh I-¦m good son. Very good. And killing RR users has nothing to do with how powerful the RR is. Have you tried it out?
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 625	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:33:00 - [59] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. There is nothing wrong with the rail rifle I've been killing RR users useing the CR and AR all day. Get gud scrub. Oh I-¦m good son. Very good. And killing RR users has nothing to do with how powerful the RR is. Have you tried it out? Yup, prof 4. Great weapon. Very balanced. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:35:00 - [60] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. There is nothing wrong with the rail rifle I've been killing RR users useing the CR and AR all day. Get gud scrub. Oh I-¦m good son. Very good. And killing RR users has nothing to do with how powerful the RR is. Have you tried it out? Yup, prof 4. Great weapon. Very balanced. Yeah right..

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 626	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:38:00 - [61] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. There is nothing wrong with the rail rifle I've been killing RR users useing the CR and AR all day. Get gud scrub. Oh I-¦m good son. Very good. And killing RR users has nothing to do with how powerful the RR is. Have you tried it out? Yup, prof 4. Great weapon. Very balanced. Yeah right.. What are you having a dificult time believing? {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 277	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:41:00 - [62] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. pew pew pew I like pew pew pew We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:42:00 - [63] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: What are you having a dificult time believing? Believing? Are we in church? I found the RR tobe OP when using it today. Lets see what happens and I might spec into it. But I see a nerve around the corner..
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 626	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:43:00 - [64] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. pew pew pew I like pew pew pew I actually think it has the best sound yet. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:45:00 - [65] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. pew pew pew I like pew pew pew I actually think it has the best sound yet. The sound is lovely :)
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 626	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:48:00 - [66] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: What are you having a dificult time believing? Believing? Are we in church? I found the RR tobe OP when using it today. Lets see what happens and I might spec into it. But I see a nerve around the corner.. Hay, your the one basically calling me a liar here. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what your problem with my statement was. From your response, i can tell that, obviously you had some kind of problem believing some part of my statement. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Seeth Mensch 2Shitz 1Giggle 73	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:50:00 - [67] - Quote [/quote] Besides.. Stats don-¦t matter 2 me. What happens on the battlefield is what counts. [/quote] and as much as I hate to admit it, he's right. Sometimes, you got FotM just so you can keep some sort of competitive edge. I'm putting away the dropships, mothballing the scout suit, and putting points into whatever else I like better. In the end, what makes you happier: "Gosh, I had a great fight and I really contributed to this map." or "Wow. Got killed again. Wonder what it's like outside of this red line..." Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Oswald Rehnquist 862	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:50:00 - [68] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it Being a RR user, that time is essentially non existant, and after you start firing you either hold trigger until you die or kill your enemy.... its well....pretty easy, and pretty powerful. In the end I see a 0.1 sec or 0.2 addition to the charge up time as an acceptable nerf, I don't like reducing gun power.... I have no issues with increasing its charge up time, but the left/right bullet stray probably should be looked at if this happneed considering its suppose to be long range rifle Below 28 dB
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:36:00 - [69] - Quote Seeth Mensch wrote: Besides.. Stats don-¦t matter 2 me. What happens on the battlefield is what counts. Quote: and as much as I hate to admit it, he's right. Sometimes, you got FotM just so you can keep some sort of competitive edge. I'm putting away the dropships, mothballing the scout suit, and putting points into whatever else I like better. In the end, what makes you happier: "Gosh, I had a great fight and I really contributed to this map." or "Wow. Got killed again. Wonder what it's like outside of this red line..." Real life scenario. You have a soldier using a weapon on a battlefield and the weapon designer behind his desk. The soldier tells you this weapon is useless while the desk guy tells you it-¦s awesome. Who do you listen to?
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2059	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:45:00 - [70] - Quote oh.... combat.... rail.... of course... Ammar for factional warfare afterall. Oh well this isn't eve online, can't play for minmatar and get heavy suits. breaks out commando suit... damn I'll have to join

Imp Smash Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 191	Posted - 2013.12.13 05:32:00 - [71] - Quote The RR gets less accurate the longer you fire. And the charge time gives it a significant disadvantage to targets popping in and out of cover. The range is pretty close as well. Basically it's a damn good gun at close - close/med range but inferior at others. I think we need more time to watch it on the battlefield to claim weak or strong. Although that combat rifle --- woo boy! Beasty!
calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1196	Posted - 2013.12.13 05:43:00 - [72] - Quote I have yet to truly master the rail rifle. I cant stand looking down a scope when I fire, but I am being out classed do to this. I prefer the assault over the standard. Same goes with the CR but the problem I am having same as everyone is hit detection and a new drifting sites. I have mine to proto and the sights still zig and zag all over the target. I cant fire more than 10 rounds before this happens. I am having a hard time keeping the CR on target as well, not to recoil but do to the weapon not wanting to stay on target. I am well within range and it just floats. I am trying different settings to see if I can figure out the problem. Unfortunately I am dieing a lot do to this and it is frustrating. The evil hidden in the name
Imp Smash Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2013.12.13 07:02:00 - [73] - Quote Well if anything I find it odd. Isn't the rail rifle supposed to be good at long range? The increasing spread pattern counter acts this. Seems like it's good but at a different situation than expected. More testing needed - in 45 minutes! Wooooo!
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 144	Posted - 2013.12.13 08:05:00 - [74] - Quote Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. Dedicated redline sniper, tower forger, nade spammer, protostomper, formerly mass driver, and now scrambler CQC spammer.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2071	Posted - 2013.12.13 08:13:00 - [75] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: The RR gets less accurate the longer you fire. And the charge time gives it a significant disadvantage to targets popping in and out of cover. The range is pretty close as well. Basically it's a damn good gun at close - close/med range but inferior at others. I think we need more time to watch it on the battlefield to claim weak or strong. Although that combat rifle --- woo boy! Beasty! it has the longest range...
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2071	Posted - 2013.12.13 08:14:00 - [76] - Quote calvin b wrote: I have yet to truly master the rail rifle. I cant stand looking down a scope when I fire, but I am being out classed do to this. I prefer the assault over the standard. Same goes with the CR but the problem I am having same as everyone is hit detection and a new drifting sites. I have mine to proto and the sights still zig and zag all over the target. I cant fire more than 10 rounds before this happens. I am having a hard time keeping the CR on target as well, not to recoil but do to the weapon not wanting to stay on target. I am well within range and it just floats. I am trying different settings to see if I can figure out the problem. Unfortunately I am dieing a lot do to this and it is frustrating. the assault still has charge up time Man I wish the HMG had spin up tie so it could be buffed : (
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 876	Posted - 2013.12.13 08:15:00 - [77] - Quote The problem is not with the new rifles. It is the low TTK making our decisions to either armor or shield tank not matter. Rifles are in general OP compared to other weapons such as MD, Plasma Cannon (vs infantry) that requires a longer TTK to be good. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 407	Posted - 2013.12.13 08:16:00 - [78] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later.
wripple warravens League of Infamy 106	Posted - 2013.12.13 08:17:00 - [79] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it I run the rail rifle and have gotten owned in CQC. The gun dominates from range but will not beat a Duvole up close. Allot of nerf screamers also don't realize that after about 3 seconds the rail rifle's dispersion becomes horribly scattered and inaccurate, you only really have a 3 second window to do optimal damage with the thing
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 407	Posted - 2013.12.13 08:26:00 - [80] - Quote wripple wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it I run the rail rifle and have gotten owned in CQC. The gun dominates from range but will not beat a Duvole up close. Allot of nerf screamers also don't realize that after about 3 seconds the rail rifle's dispersion becomes horribly scattered and inaccurate, you only really have a 3 second window to do optimal damage with the thing So you are using it because it-¦s bad? Where are you going with this? And did you go proto against the Duvolle? I think that the hipfire on the RR is actually pretty good.

Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 146	Posted - 2013.12.13 08:33:00 - [81] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later. If it gets a damage reduction so will all the other rifles, so it would still fullfill its role as a long range anti armor rifle and still be competitive. As it currently stands the TTK is not any better than other weapons, problem is armor tankers have lived in a fantasy land these past few months while us shield tankers have had to embrace the fact we need to be annoying bitches to kill lol. We have always had rifles shredding our hp like it isn't even there, the other side of the fence now knows why some people were always bitching. Dedicated redline sniper, tower forger, nade spammer, protostomper, formerly mass driver, and now scrambler CQC spammer.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 407	Posted - 2013.12.13 09:00:00 - [82] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later. If it gets a damage reduction so will all the other rifles, so it would still fullfill its role as a long range anti armor rifle and still be competitive. As it currently stands the TTK is not any better than other weapons, problem is armor tankers have lived in a fantasy land these past few months while us shield tankers have had to embrace the fact we need to be annoying bitches to kill lol. We have always had rifles shredding our hp like it isn't even there, the other side of the fence now knows why some people were always bitching. The AR will not be touched. We have already been through the AR nerve before. I personally think the AR is just about right.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 112	Posted - 2013.12.13 09:03:00 - [83] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later. If it gets a damage reduction so will all the other rifles, so it would still fullfill its role as a long range anti armor rifle and still be competitive. As it currently stands the TTK is not any better than other weapons, problem is armor tankers have lived in a fantasy land these past few months while us shield tankers have had to embrace the fact we need to be annoying bitches to kill lol. We have always had rifles shredding our hp like it isn't even there, the other side of the fence now knows why some people were always bitching. Yeah it's wierd having weapons that damage my Caldari suits less than the Gallente and Amarr. Last build I ran almost completly Amarr because armor is/was the best tanking method. In other news Sir Petersen was found shot in a one room apartment with a broken Quafe bottle stuck in his head. A funeral will be held Saturday where one time star from the Gallente Film "Shelly Goes Back to School" Neli Kace will remind whomever shows up of the Quafe Sale next week. "Do not underestimate the power you have."
Omareth Nasadra Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 166	Posted - 2013.12.13 09:11:00 - [84] - Quote i don't really find the rail that powerfull, it hurts, but i usually just strafe and head shot them user with my CR, just keep on moving Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 407	Posted - 2013.12.13 09:12:00 - [85] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later. If it gets a damage reduction so will all the other rifles, so it would still fullfill its role as a long range anti armor rifle and still be competitive. As it currently stands the TTK is not any better than other weapons, problem is armor tankers have lived in a fantasy land these past few months while us shield tankers have had to embrace the fact we need to be annoying bitches to kill lol. We have always had rifles shredding our hp like it isn't even there, the other side of the fence now knows why some people were always bitching. Yeah it's wierd having weapons that damage my Caldari suits less than the Gallente and Amarr. Last build I ran almost completly Amarr because armor is/was the best tanking method. In other news Sir Petersen was found shot in a one room apartment with a broken Quafe bottle stuck in his head. A funeral will be held Saturday where one time star from the Gallente Film "Shelly Goes Back to School" Neli Kace will remind whomever shows up of the Quafe Sale next week. My (butterlike) Mimitar Scoutsuit is gonna be buried soon if things don-¦t pick up.. :)
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 407	Posted - 2013.12.13 09:16:00 - [86] - Quote Omareth Nasadra wrote: i don't really find the rail that powerful, it hurts, but i usually just strafe and head shot them user with my CR, just keep on moving I don-¦t mind powerful weapons but the RR is so strong without any perks. I can only imagine it being a beast of a weapon once you have it-¦s skills maxed out. This game runned by tanks & RR at the moment and we all know the reason why..
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 113	Posted - 2013.12.13 09:19:00 - [87] - Quote Because Running is Unpleasant? "Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom." -Looks in Closet- "Dear God"
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 407	Posted - 2013.12.13 09:23:00 - [88] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Because Running is Unpleasant? You-¦re talking to a guy who runs in a Mimitar Scout suit using x2 level5 KK-¦s for maximum sprint speed :)
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 113	Posted - 2013.12.13 09:24:00 - [89] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Ronan Elsword wrote: Because Running is Unpleasant? You-¦re talking to a guy who runs in a Mimitar Scout suit using x2 level5 KK-¦s for maximum sprint speed :) So yes "Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom." -Looks in Closet- "Dear God"
ROEG X Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 35	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:20:00 - [90] - Quote The Rail rifle isn't over powered in fact the weapon was handicapped out of the Caldari weapon's case day 1. With the threat of long range weapons you have to play alot more tactical and smarter. Because people aren't running and gunning anymore not even the scouts, I caught one hiding behind a crate inside the complex area yesterday in battle he understood the true force of my Gek-38 when detected. "Stay frosty ! "

CrotchGrab 360 Caldari State 516	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:22:00 - [91] - Quote It's like a faster firing slightly less powerful TACAR. And leave it alone! Dam I love the rail rifle, using iron sights on a vanilla assault rifle, with strong aim assist got boring. using the same gun all the time was so boring, I've always been a rifle kind of guy, T1 sniper rifle in MAG, TAC AR in DUST, AN-91 in BF3, LEAVE THE RR ALONE You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 336	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:27:00 - [92] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: It's like a faster firing slightly less powerful TACAR. And leave it alone! Dam I love the rail rifle, using iron sights on a vanilla assault rifle, with strong aim assist got boring. using the same gun all the time was so boring, I've always been a rifle kind of guy, T1 sniper rifle in MAG, TAC AR in DUST, AN-91 in BF3, LEAVE THE RR ALONE And using a much more powerful rifle with stron AA is more interesting? Wow.
GRIM GEAR NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 126	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:31:00 - [93] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: My combat rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time All I understood from your comment is that you are op. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
NOAMIzzzzz Pradox One Proficiency V. 70	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:34:00 - [94] - Quote Lol i think the scram is better...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 336	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:34:00 - [95] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. Its good, but in cqc vs ar or smg its trash No its not the high hipfire accuracy make up for the nearly nonexistent charge. I use it pretty often I CQC with great success.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 57	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:06:00 - [96] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. After 2 days your all ready starting to ask for nerfs. For those that stand still yeah it may drop you pretty fast i do have it maxed all the way but dam your left stick is broke were you cant step side to side. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1416	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:17:00 - [97] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: My combat rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time a commando user as appeared do you want to know how to know if a gun is op simply strap 2 of them to the crappyest suit in dust and see how it goes, if you get a god like kdr using a commando then your gun is most definitely op Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 791	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:20:00 - [98] - Quote as a heavy using the RR (yes you read it right, our HMG can't compete with these ranges) i find it funny how some people who use CR assume its ok to just stand still and fire, sure the CR is good up close and at medium ranges but that doesnt mean you have to stand still when someone using a RR is shooting at you. i guess some people think that "oooooo i have CR and you have RR, that means im going to win in a 1vs1 shootout with you, im just going to stand still and finish you off" YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
OZAROW warravens League of Infamy 1092	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:25:00 - [99] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: My combat rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time a commando user as appeared do you want to know how to know if a gun is op simply strap 2 of them to the crappyest suit in dust and see how it goes, if you get a god like kdr using a commando then your gun is most definitely op Proto min logi, boundless cr proficiency 2 best score 14/4 Dragonfly scout , lv1 rail rifle (no points) best score 21/2 Yea rail rifles fine lol
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 407	Posted - 2013.12.13 12:06:00 - [100] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. After 2 days your all ready starting to ask for nerfs. For those that stand still yeah it may drop you pretty fast i do have it maxed all the way but dam your left stick is broke were you cant step side to side. I-¦n not asking for a nerve but I do see it around the corner. Like i said earlier in this thread I might spec into the RR like you already have but then BOOM! The obvious happens and all those skillpoints gone. The tank game out there at the moment is ridiculous backed up by over powered new weapons. But hey..

Imp Smash Black Phoenix Mercenaries 199	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:16:00 - [101] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Imp Smash wrote: The RR gets less accurate the longer you fire. And the charge time gives it a significant disadvantage to targets popping in and out of cover. The range is pretty close as well. Basically it's a damn good gun at close - close/med range but inferior at others. I think we need more time to watch it on the battlefield to claim weak or strong. Although that combat rifle --- woo boy! Beasty! it has the longest range... Yes it does. I'm saying it's range is good at point blank at hip. At long the spread makes it lose accuracy. And since I made the post I've tested it a bit and ya - it's a tad too good. Improve at range accuracy , reduce close range damage, cause that it is performing as good or better at all ranges.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 973	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:20:00 - [102] - Quote QQ logic: anything that kills you is a crutch. git gud. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 563	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:24:00 - [103] - Quote The MD needs 6 seconds or more to kill upper tier suits, the Laser needs optimal and charge up time to compete with Rifles, and people are saying that the slight delay to fire a RR makes it balanced? Lol.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3420	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:40:00 - [104] - Quote I personally thing the CR is more OP (a lil bit more) but the RR is still OP. Basically ALL OF THE DAMN RIFLES ARE OP! It's the ttk man.. Ttk GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:41:00 - [105] - Quote Its not, end of story.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1106	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:45:00 - [106] - Quote Good aim an patience is required on the CR PLUS proficiency 5 like mine an dm makesit hurt like a s.o.b
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 23	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:03:00 - [107] - Quote I have been usong rr. Lvl 3 only the adv sb-17 version so far. I like it as a med/ med long range weapon. It seems to fit its intended role well. I die in cqc vs. Cr and ar against decent users and cr at distance as well. If there is a rifle now that overlaps into different roles a bit too easy, from the dying guys perspective... i'd go cr. I havent tried cr yet, but corp mates and other vuys on mics are saying it is beast. What is the drawback on the CR?
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3353	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:18:00 - [108] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. GÖª Dude the rail rifle is balanced. GÖª so is the combat rifle GÖª So is the AR rifle GÖª The SCR feels a little Underpowered (being the ONLY rifle with a 80% penalty,Overheat mechanic and ridiculous fitting requirments) But its still ok. All the rifles are Very balanced between themselves,its compared to other weapons that they seem a little over powered. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 433	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:20:00 - [109] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. GÖª Dude the rail rifle is balanced. GÖª so is the combat rifle GÖª So is the AR rifle GÖª The SCR feels a little Underpowered (being the ONLY rifle with a 80% penalty,Overheat mechanic and ridiculous fitting requirments) But its still ok. All the rifles are Very balanced between themselves,its compared to other weapons that they seem a little over powered. I somewhat agree, I do think all weapons need a little tweaking here or there. I HATE the stupid overheat mechanic personally. I understand the need for drawbacks but that is god damn annoying.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2203	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:40:00 - [110] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. Like Jaques said, it's very easy to strafe the shots. I personally use it because there's nothing else that has the range like it does, and I can still easily strafe all those shots from enemy Rail Rifles. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+

Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 185	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:05:00 - [111] - Quote Rail rifle outranging a assault rifle is time for qq appearently. Honestly i think it needs a range buff to stand out between the combat and assault/scrambler rifles. But thats just me. I actually use the rail rifle, yes it is solid and is basicly a breach ar on crack but its not as powerful as you think it is. I has 149 armor and get killed pretty quick cause things out dps it at its supposed range. Sorry but...not op weapon. And this is from a person with a belly ful of whiskey Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 414	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:52:00 - [112] - Quote I-¦m starting to accept it more now after using it for some days. Still making massive damage to my scout fit when I get hit. I still think this weapon is in for a nerve.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 141	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:06:00 - [113] - Quote im sorry but the RR is the most balanced of all rifles, its a high caliber rifle, with spool time, 42 ammo clip, it does have a kick, it is very good at mid range combat, not so good at close range and it fires slower than the other rifles, try taking down a heavy at close range with it, the combat rifle is very powerful but im not a man of burst weapons, the scr one-shot-one-kill, and of course the AR god of dust, the RR is far more balanced Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur (Today is a good day for someone else to die).
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 287	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:22:00 - [114] - Quote DUDE RAIL RIFLE is not op at all. I think it sucks. You're doomed in cqc unless you get lucky. So yeah. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:25:00 - [115] - Quote Grease Spillett wrote: DUDE RAIL RIFLE is not op at all. I think it sucks. You're doomed in cqc unless you get lucky. So yeah. Exactly, you can strafe from bulets like Neo in Matrix. Basicaly RR is great for long2medium range, about CQC..good luck boyo XJ Support - Tactician/Medic
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 78	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:59:00 - [116] - Quote I would argue that the GÇ£rifleGÇ¥ class of weapons (AR, CR, SCR, and RR) is one of the few things in this game that seems like a well thought out, coherent and fully developed concept. Each has interesting strengths and tradeoffs. Each has a unique niche while still acting as a solid medium range assault weapon. You get a bit more range out of the RR and SCR (as well as an advantage vs. a tanking type), but have the downside of charge and/or overheat. The CR is somewhat handicapped by a relatively small clip, but works very well in CQC situations. The AR probably has the broadest set of situations where it is effective, but will lose out to the other three if within their optimal range/situation. You could reasonably argue that TTK is too short currently, but all of the rifles contribute to this is relatively equal amount. In order to balance the light weapons, I think the MD and Laser need to be buffed a bit so that they can fulfill their roles better. What exactly is the role of the laser anyway? The MD is clearly an area denial weapon. Is the laser supposed to be the anti-shield area denial weapon that operates in a conical rather than spherical space? I also wouldnGÇÖt mind a buff to sniper rifle head shot damage to give it the alpha it needs to be effective in a high eHP world, but thatGÇÖs just my inner sniper talking. -Aramis
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 523	Posted - 2013.12.19 21:07:00 - [117] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Kaal Rail Rifle, Duv TAC, Six Kin CR and Imp SR are all wicked. Best of the best when it comes to guns. Get used to it. To nerf one and not the others you will create imbalance. Now the LR needs a buff. I don't always agree with Rowdy...but when it do, it's about rifle balance.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.12.19 21:10:00 - [118] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Kaal Rail Rifle, Duv TAC, Six Kin CR and Imp SR are all wicked. Best of the best when it comes to guns. Get used to it. To nerf one and not the others you will create imbalance. Now the LR needs a buff. I don't always agree with Rowdy...but when it do, it's about rifle balance. Sadly i never taste that feel of Kaalakiota Gaussie, want it for xmass XD Support - Tactician/Medic
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 523	Posted - 2013.12.19 21:26:00 - [119] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: . The AR will not be touched. We have already been through the AR nerve before. I personally think the AR is just about right.[/quote] Ok...I'm a ways through this thread and have to comment on this. Sir Petersen, Just to be clear; I honestly don't see why you think the RR is OP. Overpowered implies that it is significatly different in a way that provides a major advantage to the user. Before the RR and CR came out people were screaming that the AR was OP; then the SCR was OP; now the new rifles are. If all are OP then by defnition none of them are. I'm pretty sure that in their optimal engagement range and situation each of the rifles is "OP". The Duvolle will shred guys in tighter quarters and against multiple targets; you still have little to no recoil for 20+ rounds. The SCR is clearly the deadliest weapon to me since it eats through my shields at lightening speed. The CR let's you duel at mid-range and close the gaps to short range fighting better than any other weapon. The most signifcant advantage, by game design and EVE lore, is simply the range of the RR. It rewards you for staying in optimal ranges and decrements you for closing in. Just like the AR rewards you for short range fighting and decrements you for fighting at extended ranges. As noted by a few folks on this thread; TTK is low for everyone. If you have maxed out AR skills your Toxin AR is a buzzsaw through my Proto CalAssault suit. Throw some damage mods on their and it's even worse. I've sunk a lot of SP in to RR - OP 5, Prof 4, Reload 2, Ammo 3, Optimizaiton 3. This rifle actually lets me shield tank very effectvely, work mid to long range engagemetns and perfectly fits the caldari racial style. In open maps or areas where I can get into a support by fire position on a flank I am very effective. In close quarters or against multiple targets the spool time, small clip, and long reload time are deadly....I routinely go to my SMG for these type of engagements. I respect the adamant way you are putting forward your position but I don't see it.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 524	Posted - 2013.12.19 21:49:00 - [120] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: I-¦m starting to accept it more now after using it for some days. Still making massive damage to my scout fit when I get hit. I still think this weapon is in for a nerve. I didn't catch this till just now...scout suit? Bro...a thrown rock will blap you and you're complaining about the RR?! ps...you might want to check your auto correct. Nerve =/= Nerf.

Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 415	Posted - 2013.12.20 10:03:00 - [121] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: I-¦m starting to accept it more now after using it for some days. Still making massive damage to my scout fit when I get hit. I still think this weapon is in for a nerve. I didn't catch this till just now...scout suit? Bro...a thrown rock will blap you and you're complaining about the RR?! ps...you might want to check your auto correct. Nerve =/= Nerf. I-¦m icelandic dude. Make spelling mistakes occasionally.. Buff it, nerf it,, All the same to me. I-¦m still gonna continue dominating in this game with my AR, Scout suit & Drop Uplinks :) I can understand that the RR is better from longer distances but I-¦m finding it harder to swallow when doing close up combat. Hipfire is too strong. I-¦m gonna skill into this weapon if things stay the same. I-¦m rocking it at level 1 so I can only imagine how good it is maxed out. OP4sure.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 2040	Posted - 2013.12.20 10:59:00 - [122] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: My SCRAMBLER rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time Fixed. Combat Rifle can't one shot anything, since a full burst with proto CR and Proficiency 5 does 121,5 damage. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 156	Posted - 2013.12.20 11:04:00 - [123] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: My combat rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time a wild commando user as appeared! go logisuit! what will logisuit do? logisuit uses combat rifle! it's super effective! commando faints! you gain 5 xp recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 156	Posted - 2013.12.20 11:09:00 - [124] - Quote HyperionsThunder wrote: Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. pew pew pew I like the sound X-D. It will force people to use shields and still get WTFpwnd with 401 shields, for sure. lil edit recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 383	Posted - 2013.12.20 11:14:00 - [125] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. GÖª Dude the rail rifle is balanced. GÖª so is the combat rifle GÖª So is the AR rifle GÖª The SCR feels a little Underpowered (being the ONLY rifle with a 80% penalty,Overheat mechanic and ridiculous fitting requirments) But its still ok. All the rifles are Very balanced between themselves,its compared to other weapons that they seem a little over powered. I thin the new rifles are balanced fairly well against each other even the SCR/AsCR work well. Regarding the AR I have different opinion compared to the other Rifles it is UP (who ever thought this could happen). The reason is pretty simple all Rifles deal roughly the same DPS while providing greater range with comparable or better accracy. The only reason to use an AR currently is lack of SP to skill to another rifle...
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 532	Posted - 2013.12.20 14:43:00 - [126] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: I-¦m starting to accept it more now after using it for some days. Still making massive damage to my scout fit when I get hit. I still think this weapon is in for a nerve. I didn't catch this till just now...scout suit? Bro...a thrown rock will blap you and you're complaining about the RR?! ps...you might want to check your auto correct. Nerve =/= Nerf. I-¦m icelandic dude. Make spelling mistakes occasionally.. Buff it, nerf it,, All the same to me. I-¦m still gonna continue dominating in this game with my AR, Scout suit & Drop Uplinks :) I can understand that the RR is better from longer distances but I-¦m finding it harder to swallow when doing close up combat. Hipfire is too strong. I-¦m gonna skill into this weapon if things stay the same. I-¦m rocking it at level 1 so I can only imagine how good it is maxed out. OP4sure. Sounds good - I respect you rocking the scout suit and being willing to at least hear other people out and have a good discussion with them. Hope to see you in the warbarge.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9196	Posted - 2013.12.20 14:49:00 - [127] - Quote I just wish the longest range rifle in the game wasn't so hilariously OP in CQC Vids / O7
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 24	Posted - 2013.12.20 14:54:00 - [128] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. GÖª Dude the rail rifle is balanced. GÖª so is the combat rifle GÖª So is the AR rifle GÖª The SCR feels a little Underpowered (being the ONLY rifle with a 80% penalty,Overheat mechanic and ridiculous fitting requirments) But its still ok. All the rifles are Very balanced between themselves,its compared to other weapons that they seem a little over powered. I think the new rifles are balanced fairly well against each other, even the SCR/AsCR work well. Regarding the AR I have a different opinion compared to the other Rifles it is UP (who ever thought this could happen). The reason is pretty simple all Rifles deal roughly the same DPS while providing greater range with comparable or better accracy. The only reason to use an AR currently is lack of SP to skill to another rifle... Nope. I will eat Rr users in cqc and rr users will eat me 50-90m out. Balanced. Play smart and use cover and leave matches against Ancient Exiles, Latino Killer Corp and other dedicated proto stomping corps... do these things and re-evaluate the patch.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9197	Posted - 2013.12.20 15:11:00 - [129] - Quote Divu Aakmin wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. GÖª Dude the rail rifle is balanced. GÖª so is the combat rifle GÖª So is the AR rifle GÖª The SCR feels a little Underpowered (being the ONLY rifle with a 80% penalty,Overheat mechanic and ridiculous fitting requirments) But its still ok. All the rifles are Very balanced between themselves,its compared to other weapons that they seem a little over powered. I think the new rifles are balanced fairly well against each other, even the SCR/AsCR work well. Regarding the AR I have a different opinion compared to the other Rifles it is UP (who ever thought this could happen). The reason is pretty simple all Rifles deal roughly the same DPS while providing greater range with comparable or better accracy. The only reason to use an AR currently is lack of SP to skill to another rifle... Nope. I will eat Rr users in cqc and rr users will eat me 50-90m out. Balanced. Play smart and use cover and leave matches against Ancient Exiles, Latino Killer Corp and other dedicated proto stomping corps... do these things and re-evaluate the patch. So what you're saying is that against bad players you can make it work, but against good players the fact that the RR has the best range and is a terrifying beast in CQC actually shows up? Who'd a thunk it Vids / O7
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 535	Posted - 2013.12.20 15:40:00 - [130] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just wish the longest range rifle in the game wasn't so hilariously OP in CQC And AR, SCR, CR aren't? What makes it hilariously OP in relations to other weapons? CCP didn't nerf Duvolles and they are the best thing going in CQC outside of a maxed out SMG.

Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 416	Posted - 2013.12.20 15:41:00 - [131] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: I-¦m starting to accept it more now after using it for some days. Still making massive damage to my scout fit when I get hit. I still think this weapon is in for a nerve. I didn't catch this till just now...scout suit? Bro...a thrown rock will blap you and you're complaining about the RR?! ps...you might want to check your auto correct. Nerve =/= Nerf. I-¦m icelandic dude. Make spelling mistakes occasionally.. Buff it, nerf it,, All the same to me. I-¦m still gonna continue dominating in this game with my AR, Scout suit & Drop Uplinks :) I can understand that the RR is better from longer distances but I-¦m finding it harder to swallow when doing close up combat. Hipfire is too strong. I-¦m gonna skill into this weapon if things stay the same. I-¦m rocking it at level 1 so I can only imagine how good it is maxed out. OP4sure. Sounds good - I respect you rocking the scout suit and being willing to at least hear other people out and have a good discussion with them. Hope to see you in the warbarge. Thanks brother. Thanks brother. And yeah.. The day I will start to cry over a videogame is the day I stop playing :) I also did not expect this thread to pick up like this with huge numbers of players on this topic. Love this game and what comes with it.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9199	Posted - 2013.12.20 15:42:00 - [132] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just wish the longest range rifle in the game wasn't so hilariously OP in CQC And AR, SCR, CR aren't? What makes it hilariously OP in relations to other weapons? CCP didn't nerf Duvolles and they are the best thing going in CQC outside of a maxed out SMG. Just saying that the RR destroys when they're right next to you. My HMG has no problem cutting down ARs in CQC usually but generally speaking the RR will just **** through me before I have the chance to hold the stream on them long enough. I'd be fine with them being excellent long range weapons if they weren't automatic shotguns as well Vids / O7
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 419	Posted - 2013.12.20 15:44:00 - [133] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: My combat rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time You fool! what are you doing, you'll get us all nerfed! quando omni flunkus, moritati
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 419	Posted - 2013.12.20 15:47:00 - [134] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just wish the longest range rifle in the game wasn't so hilariously OP in CQC that charge up time though. it may not seem long but it's an EON when some one gets the drop on you. quando omni flunkus, moritati
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9199	Posted - 2013.12.20 15:48:00 - [135] - Quote ugg reset wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just wish the longest range rifle in the game wasn't so hilariously OP in CQC that charge up time though. it may not seem long but it's an EON when some one gets the drop on you. That's definitely true, but doesn't do much for when you've got that initial half of a second in your favor. ::shrugs:: I'm not on the ground often enough to say one way or the other for sure, just my basic impression is that I'm just as terrified of that thing at 2 meters as I am at 70. Vids / O7
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 172	Posted - 2013.12.20 15:53:00 - [136] - Quote Now that there's a weapon that does more damage to armor than shield (other than MDs and explosives) the armor users are now QQ'ing. Not surprising in the least.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9200	Posted - 2013.12.20 15:55:00 - [137] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Now that there's a weapon that does more damage to armor than shield (other than MDs and explosives) the armor users are now QQ'ing. Not surprising in the least. ::Looks at the only armored heavy suit available:: Vids / O7
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 172	Posted - 2013.12.20 16:04:00 - [138] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: m twiggz wrote: Now that there's a weapon that does more damage to armor than shield (other than MDs and explosives) the armor users are now QQ'ing. Not surprising in the least. ::Looks at the only armored heavy suit available:: I'll give you a pass because you have no other choice as a heavy. Maybe CCP will release the, what I assume to be very OP, Caldari Heavy, soon. I'm thoroughly looking forward to the addition of other heavies. It'll make things fun again.
Gh0st C0de Spirit Collective 108	Posted - 2013.12.20 16:28:00 - [139] - Quote OZAROW wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: My combat rifle one shots most non-heavy suits, has almost zero kick, I can carry 2 of them and they have a 1 second reload time a commando user as appeared do you want to know how to know if a gun is op simply strap 2 of them to the crappyest suit in dust and see how it goes, if you get a god like kdr using a commando then your gun is most definitely op Proto min logi, boundless cr proficiency 2 best score 14/4 Dragonfly scout , lv1 rail rifle (no points) best score 21/2 Yea rail rifles fine lol I've been reading this thread with no intention of posting. Mostly because I feel that the endless griping about every single thing that you don't wield being OP is an argument not worth wasting time on, because it will never be resolved. However, as a scientist I have to chime in on this particular comment. Two is not a sample size. Thirty is not even a sample size. You would need to fight at least 100 battles with each fitting for a viable analysis and even that would be considered a small sample. Also, the fact that you changed suits makes it a terrible, terrible marker of the power of the weapon. You changed variables. The difference in performance could be due to the fact that the RR is simply better with a scout suit. Just an observation, as a scout player, the Rail Rifle is great on scout suits. At its range you are more likely to be invisible on passive scan ranges, and therefore more likely to get the drop on people. I play a scout, and I can tell you that the RR fits the scout suit very well, strafing, keeping distance and hiding just out of AR and scan ranges is what has kept my scout alive while using the RR. I also plug the RR into my Gal-Assault and find it somewhat less effective, because I can be detected with my larger scan profile. Although, my EHP makes up for being detected. Furthermore, the opponents in those battles were different, the fittings they were using were different, and your mindset using a free suit was likely different on some level than running around in a Proto fitting. Perhaps you were subconsciously inclined toward taking more risks. Either way, in order to test a weapon properly you would need to fight the SAME people in the SAME battlefield, hundreds of time. Or simulate that using an advanced engine. I'm sure CCP does that sort of thing, and while it may not always equal real play, I don't think any of the rifles out now are broken. They all excel at a certain style of combat. Perhaps your style of combat makes you more proficient with or vulnerable to a certain rifle, and that makes you think it is OP. Things often become broken when CCP listens to small, vocal, minorities of players here on the forums and buff/nerf things into a state of absurdity. CCP's balance problem may just be listening to us.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9204	Posted - 2013.12.20 16:30:00 - [140] - Quote m twiggz wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: m twiggz wrote: Now that there's a weapon that does more damage to armor than shield (other than MDs and explosives) the armor users are now QQ'ing. Not surprising in the least. ::Looks at the only armored heavy suit available:: I'll give you a pass because you have no other choice as a heavy. Maybe CCP will release the, what I assume to be very OP, Caldari Heavy, soon. I'm thoroughly looking forward to the addition of other heavies. It'll make things fun again. You can take your pass back because all I want for Christmas is my Gallente fatty Vids / O7

superjoe360x D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 172	Posted - 2013.12.20 16:33:00 - [141] - Quote A fast strafing keyboard and mouse user with a RR is super deadly at close range. If you wanna see what the new OP weapon is just look at what Nyain San is running at the moment or anytime for that matter. They only run the OP stuff. Right now its RR, Tanks, and Core nades still. Commander and Tactical Advisor
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 161	Posted - 2013.12.20 16:49:00 - [142] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. Lol how long have you played dust?This community love's a crutch.Look at all the Ar defense/tank defense.
jlpgaming2752 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 16	Posted - 2013.12.20 16:50:00 - [143] - Quote Adapt to the game. If you don't like it, leave. This is the response I got back when things didn't go my way. Just learn to accept that life isn't fair. Subscribe to my YouTube channel for entertaining Dust videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/jlpgaming2752
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 655	Posted - 2013.12.20 16:50:00 - [144] - Quote its the stability that makes the RR good. just like the rof of the cr makes that good, or the dps of the ar/scr makes them good right tool for the right task... if your getting mown down then they obviously have the right tool at the right time and you probably dont https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 420	Posted - 2013.12.20 17:06:00 - [145] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. Lol how long have you played dust?This community love's a crutch.Look at all the Ar defense/tank defense. I-¦m one of the originals dude. Started back in beta :) And yeah.. My impression is that 90% of everyone playing this game are pretty bad and therefore love a crutch instead of balance. Looking at the reactions on this thread tells me I-¦m right. OP
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9208	Posted - 2013.12.20 17:07:00 - [146] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: its the stability that makes the RR good. just like the rof of the cr makes that good, or the dps of the ar/scr makes them good right tool for the right task... if your getting mown down then they obviously have the right tool at the right time and you probably dont We shouldn't just dismiss everything so easily though, I think it's fair to put these weapons under scrutiny given how new they are, and CCPs track record of releasing less than balanced weapons. It's certainly too early to say one way or the other with any certainty, but to dismiss them as fine might not be the best option either. Vids / O7
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 388	Posted - 2013.12.20 17:21:00 - [147] - Quote Divu Aakmin wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. GÖª Dude the rail rifle is balanced. GÖª so is the combat rifle GÖª So is the AR rifle GÖª The SCR feels a little Underpowered (being the ONLY rifle with a 80% penalty,Overheat mechanic and ridiculous fitting requirments) But its still ok. All the rifles are Very balanced between themselves,its compared to other weapons that they seem a little over powered. I think the new rifles are balanced fairly well against each other, even the SCR/AsCR work well. Regarding the AR I have a different opinion compared to the other Rifles it is UP (who ever thought this could happen). The reason is pretty simple all Rifles deal roughly the same DPS while providing greater range with comparable or better accracy. The only reason to use an AR currently is lack of SP to skill to another rifle... Nope. I will eat Rr users in cqc and rr users will eat me 50-90m out. Balanced. Play smart and use cover and leave matches against Ancient Exiles, Latino Killer Corp and other dedicated proto stomping corps... do these things and re-evaluate the patch. Well I have no problem with the RR I used it myself and I am dropping most AR users with in cqc the tight hipfire coupled with the high damage makes a great cqc weapon. Similar to prenerfed Tar...the great range is just a nice addition to that. The only reason I tend to use the CR more is I am mostly running scout and the CR allows a little more fitting flexibilty due to the lower reqs.
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 80	Posted - 2013.12.20 17:32:00 - [148] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: its the stability that makes the RR good. just like the rof of the cr makes that good, or the dps of the ar/scr makes them good right tool for the right task... if your getting mown down then they obviously have the right tool at the right time and you probably dont We shouldn't just dismiss everything so easily though, I think it's fair to put these weapons under scrutiny given how new they are, and CCPs track record of releasing less than balanced weapons. It's certainly too early to say one way or the other with any certainty, but to dismiss them as fine might not be the best option either. I agree, but I think the initial tone of this thread was a bit reactionary. As IGÇÖve said before, I think GÇ£rifleGÇ¥ category is in a decent place right now. There is always room for revision/modification, but IGÇÖm not sure there is a pressing need for that right now. YouGÇÖre experience with the RR vis-+á-vis close combat may be colored by your preference for running a heavy (and thus youGÇÖre mostly armor tanked). IGÇÖve found it fairly easy to get the RR centered on a heavyGÇÖs head in CQC. The short spool up time of the RR really does present a disadvantage against a suit that has some mobility, but I can see how it seems unbalanced from the perspective of a heavy. Hopefully the recent improvements to the HMG give heavyGÇÖs a little more comfort in CQC. In my experience over the last several days, the RR has felt Op only when defending exterior points (those with some open ground around them) or when firing from a height advantage. This has been countered by the relative disadvantage IGÇÖve felt when assaulting points or doing just about anything inside a building/compound. IGÇÖve often switched out to an AR or CR when playing inside a compound. I realize that my anecdotal experience doesnGÇÖt really constitute objective evidence, but I like to consider myself fairly observant. Cheers, Aramis
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 26	Posted - 2013.12.21 00:32:00 - [149] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. GÖª Dude the rail rifle is balanced. GÖª so is the combat rifle GÖª So is the AR rifle GÖª The SCR feels a little Underpowered (being the ONLY rifle with a 80% penalty,Overheat mechanic and ridiculous fitting requirments) But its still ok. All the rifles are Very balanced between themselves,its compared to other weapons that they seem a little over powered. I think the new rifles are balanced fairly well against each other, even the SCR/AsCR work well. Regarding the AR I have a different opinion compared to the other Rifles it is UP (who ever thought this could happen). The reason is pretty simple all Rifles deal roughly the same DPS while providing greater range with comparable or better accracy. The only reason to use an AR currently is lack of SP to skill to another rifle... Nope. I will eat Rr users in cqc and rr users will eat me 50-90m out. Balanced. Play smart and use cover and leave matches against Ancient Exiles, Latino Killer Corp and other dedicated proto stomping corps... do these things and re-evaluate the patch. So what you're saying is that against bad players you can make it work, but against good players the fact that the RR has the best range and is a terrifying beast in CQC actually shows up? Who'd a thunk it AR as the standard. Rr>ar in ranged. Ar>rr in cqc. Can't make it more simple.


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