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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
626
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:38:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:You guys know that I love this game but why make a weapon so ridiculously overpowered? Does this make people happy? Run around with a crutch? I don-¦t get it.. There is nothing wrong with the rail rifle I've been killing RR users useing the CR and AR all day. Get gud scrub. Oh I-¦m good son. Very good. And killing RR users has nothing to do with how powerful the RR is. Have you tried it out? Yup, prof 4. Great weapon. Very balanced. Yeah right..
What are you having a dificult time believing?
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HTFU: adapt or die
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors
277
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:41:00 -
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. *pew pew pew* I like pew pew pew
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
406
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:42:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
What are you having a dificult time believing?
Believing? Are we in church?
I found the RR tobe OP when using it today. Lets see what happens and I might spec into it. But I see a nerve around the corner.. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
626
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:43:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. *pew pew pew* I like pew pew pew
I actually think it has the best sound yet.
{:)}{3GÇó>
HTFU: adapt or die
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
406
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:45:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:We can all use those weapons so same goes for all. Might be feeling the rail Rifle a bit 2 much at the moment because it-¦s fresh/new and so many using it. But it does leave a scratch on our suits.. Thats 4 sure. This. I don't think the RR is overused because it's OP, rather it's new and people love new things. Personally, I like the RR and will spec into it, but d*** if it doesn't sound really annoying. I hope CCP changes the sound effects of the RR because I hate it as it is. *pew pew pew* I like pew pew pew I actually think it has the best sound yet. The sound is lovely :) |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
626
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:48:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
What are you having a dificult time believing?
Believing? Are we in church? I found the RR tobe OP when using it today. Lets see what happens and I might spec into it. But I see a nerve around the corner..
Hay, your the one basically calling me a liar here. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what your problem with my statement was. From your response, i can tell that, obviously you had some kind of problem believing some part of my statement.
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HTFU: adapt or die
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Seeth Mensch
2Shitz 1Giggle
73
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:50:00 -
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[/quote] Besides.. Stats don-¦t matter 2 me. What happens on the battlefield is what counts. [/quote]
and as much as I hate to admit it, he's right.
Sometimes, you got FotM just so you can keep some sort of competitive edge. I'm putting away the dropships, mothballing the scout suit, and putting points into whatever else I like better.
In the end, what makes you happier: "Gosh, I had a great fight and I really contributed to this map." or "Wow. Got killed again. Wonder what it's like outside of this red line..."
Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
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Oswald Rehnquist
862
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it Being a RR user, that time is essentially non existant, and after you start firing you either hold trigger until you die or kill your enemy.... its well....pretty easy, and pretty powerful. In the end I see a 0.1 sec or 0.2 addition to the charge up time as an acceptable nerf, I don't like reducing gun power....
I have no issues with increasing its charge up time, but the left/right bullet stray probably should be looked at if this happneed considering its suppose to be long range rifle
Below 28 dB
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
406
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Posted - 2013.12.12 10:36:00 -
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Seeth Mensch wrote: Besides.. Stats don-¦t matter 2 me. What happens on the battlefield is what counts.
Quote: and as much as I hate to admit it, he's right.
Sometimes, you got FotM just so you can keep some sort of competitive edge. I'm putting away the dropships, mothballing the scout suit, and putting points into whatever else I like better.
In the end, what makes you happier: "Gosh, I had a great fight and I really contributed to this map." or "Wow. Got killed again. Wonder what it's like outside of this red line..."
Real life scenario.
You have a soldier using a weapon on a battlefield and the weapon designer behind his desk. The soldier tells you this weapon is useless while the desk guy tells you it-¦s awesome.
Who do you listen to? |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
2059
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Posted - 2013.12.12 10:45:00 -
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oh.... combat.... rail.... of course... Ammar for factional warfare afterall. Oh well this isn't eve online, can't play for minmatar and get heavy suits.
*breaks out commando suit...* damn I'll have to join |
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Imp Smash
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
191
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:32:00 -
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The RR gets less accurate the longer you fire. And the charge time gives it a significant disadvantage to targets popping in and out of cover. The range is pretty close as well.
Basically it's a damn good gun at close - close/med range but inferior at others.
I think we need more time to watch it on the battlefield to claim weak or strong.
Although that combat rifle --- woo boy! Beasty! |
calvin b
SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER
1196
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:43:00 -
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I have yet to truly master the rail rifle. I cant stand looking down a scope when I fire, but I am being out classed do to this. I prefer the assault over the standard. Same goes with the CR but the problem I am having same as everyone is hit detection and a new drifting sites. I have mine to proto and the sights still zig and zag all over the target. I cant fire more than 10 rounds before this happens. I am having a hard time keeping the CR on target as well, not to recoil but do to the weapon not wanting to stay on target. I am well within range and it just floats. I am trying different settings to see if I can figure out the problem. Unfortunately I am dieing a lot do to this and it is frustrating.
The evil hidden in the name
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Imp Smash
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2013.12.13 07:02:00 -
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Well if anything I find it odd. Isn't the rail rifle supposed to be good at long range? The increasing spread pattern counter acts this.
Seems like it's good but at a different situation than expected. More testing needed - in 45 minutes! Wooooo! |
Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
144
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:05:00 -
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Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though.
Dedicated redline sniper, tower forger, nade spammer, protostomper, formerly mass driver, and now scrambler CQC spammer.
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
2071
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:13:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:The RR gets less accurate the longer you fire. And the charge time gives it a significant disadvantage to targets popping in and out of cover. The range is pretty close as well.
Basically it's a damn good gun at close - close/med range but inferior at others.
I think we need more time to watch it on the battlefield to claim weak or strong.
Although that combat rifle --- woo boy! Beasty!
it has the longest range... |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
2071
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:14:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have yet to truly master the rail rifle. I cant stand looking down a scope when I fire, but I am being out classed do to this. I prefer the assault over the standard. Same goes with the CR but the problem I am having same as everyone is hit detection and a new drifting sites. I have mine to proto and the sights still zig and zag all over the target. I cant fire more than 10 rounds before this happens. I am having a hard time keeping the CR on target as well, not to recoil but do to the weapon not wanting to stay on target. I am well within range and it just floats. I am trying different settings to see if I can figure out the problem. Unfortunately I am dieing a lot do to this and it is frustrating.
the assault still has charge up time
Man I wish the HMG had spin up tie so it could be buffed : (
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
876
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:15:00 -
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The problem is not with the new rifles. It is the low TTK making our decisions to either armor or shield tank not matter.
Rifles are in general OP compared to other weapons such as MD, Plasma Cannon (vs infantry) that requires a longer TTK to be good.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
407
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:16:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later.
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wripple
warravens League of Infamy
106
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:17:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it I run the rail rifle and have gotten owned in CQC. The gun dominates from range but will not beat a Duvole up close. Allot of nerf screamers also don't realize that after about 3 seconds the rail rifle's dispersion becomes horribly scattered and inaccurate, you only really have a 3 second window to do optimal damage with the thing |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
407
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:26:00 -
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wripple wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:All I hear is wah wah that rifle does damage to armor how am i going to survie now wah wah nerf nerf nerf. Dude RR has a charge up time and if you strafe you can dodge it I run the rail rifle and have gotten owned in CQC. The gun dominates from range but will not beat a Duvole up close. Allot of nerf screamers also don't realize that after about 3 seconds the rail rifle's dispersion becomes horribly scattered and inaccurate, you only really have a 3 second window to do optimal damage with the thing So you are using it because it-¦s bad? Where are you going with this? And did you go proto against the Duvolle? I think that the hipfire on the RR is actually pretty good. |
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Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
146
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:33:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Kal Kronos wrote:Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later. If it gets a damage reduction so will all the other rifles, so it would still fullfill its role as a long range anti armor rifle and still be competitive. As it currently stands the TTK is not any better than other weapons, problem is armor tankers have lived in a fantasy land these past few months while us shield tankers have had to embrace the fact we need to be annoying bitches to kill lol. We have always had rifles shredding our hp like it isn't even there, the other side of the fence now knows why some people were always bitching.
Dedicated redline sniper, tower forger, nade spammer, protostomper, formerly mass driver, and now scrambler CQC spammer.
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
407
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Posted - 2013.12.13 09:00:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:Kal Kronos wrote:Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later. If it gets a damage reduction so will all the other rifles, so it would still fullfill its role as a long range anti armor rifle and still be competitive. As it currently stands the TTK is not any better than other weapons, problem is armor tankers have lived in a fantasy land these past few months while us shield tankers have had to embrace the fact we need to be annoying bitches to kill lol. We have always had rifles shredding our hp like it isn't even there, the other side of the fence now knows why some people were always bitching. The AR will not be touched. We have already been through the AR nerve before. I personally think the AR is just about right. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
112
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Posted - 2013.12.13 09:03:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:Kal Kronos wrote:Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later. If it gets a damage reduction so will all the other rifles, so it would still fullfill its role as a long range anti armor rifle and still be competitive. As it currently stands the TTK is not any better than other weapons, problem is armor tankers have lived in a fantasy land these past few months while us shield tankers have had to embrace the fact we need to be annoying bitches to kill lol. We have always had rifles shredding our hp like it isn't even there, the other side of the fence now knows why some people were always bitching.
Yeah it's wierd having weapons that damage my Caldari suits less than the Gallente and Amarr. Last build I ran almost completly Amarr because armor is/was the best tanking method.
In other news Sir Petersen was found shot in a one room apartment with a broken Quafe bottle stuck in his head. A funeral will be held Saturday where one time star from the Gallente Film "Shelly Goes Back to School" Neli Kace will remind whomever shows up of the Quafe Sale next week.
"Do not underestimate the power you have."
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Omareth Nasadra
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2013.12.13 09:11:00 -
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i don't really find the rail that powerfull, it hurts, but i usually just strafe and head shot them user with my CR, just keep on moving
Minmatar, In rust we trust!!!
Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
407
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Posted - 2013.12.13 09:12:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:Kal Kronos wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:Kal Kronos wrote:Not as good as a SCR, SCR hits a weaker tanking type harder than a RR. RR hits a heavier tanking type with less power, put a RR on a slow suit and get beat by a fast suit. It truly balances the tanking types along with the CR. Now if you think TTK is too low that is a completely different issue. I have both at 5 prof 3, sharpshooter 3 on CR. I also have SCR at 5 prof 3. In order of nastiness, SCR>CR>RR. The range on the RR makes it one bad mother though. The range is really good and I like it. But what are the odds of things staying like this. I-¦m a bit hesitant to skill into a weapon that is most definitely gonna get a nerve sooner than later. If it gets a damage reduction so will all the other rifles, so it would still fullfill its role as a long range anti armor rifle and still be competitive. As it currently stands the TTK is not any better than other weapons, problem is armor tankers have lived in a fantasy land these past few months while us shield tankers have had to embrace the fact we need to be annoying bitches to kill lol. We have always had rifles shredding our hp like it isn't even there, the other side of the fence now knows why some people were always bitching. Yeah it's wierd having weapons that damage my Caldari suits less than the Gallente and Amarr. Last build I ran almost completly Amarr because armor is/was the best tanking method. In other news Sir Petersen was found shot in a one room apartment with a broken Quafe bottle stuck in his head. A funeral will be held Saturday where one time star from the Gallente Film "Shelly Goes Back to School" Neli Kace will remind whomever shows up of the Quafe Sale next week. My (butterlike) Mimitar Scoutsuit is gonna be buried soon if things don-¦t pick up.. :) |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
407
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Posted - 2013.12.13 09:16:00 -
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Omareth Nasadra wrote:i don't really find the rail that powerful, it hurts, but i usually just strafe and head shot them user with my CR, just keep on moving I don-¦t mind powerful weapons but the RR is so strong without any perks. I can only imagine it being a beast of a weapon once you have it-¦s skills maxed out.
This game runned by tanks & RR at the moment and we all know the reason why.. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
113
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Posted - 2013.12.13 09:19:00 -
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Because Running is Unpleasant?
"Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom."
-Looks in Closet-
"Dear God"
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
407
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Posted - 2013.12.13 09:23:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:Because Running is Unpleasant? You-¦re talking to a guy who runs in a Mimitar Scout suit using x2 level5 KK-¦s for maximum sprint speed :) |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
113
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Posted - 2013.12.13 09:24:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:Because Running is Unpleasant? You-¦re talking to a guy who runs in a Mimitar Scout suit using x2 level5 KK-¦s for maximum sprint speed :)
So yes
"Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom."
-Looks in Closet-
"Dear God"
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ROEG X
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
35
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Posted - 2013.12.13 10:20:00 -
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The Rail rifle isn't over powered in fact the weapon was handicapped out of the Caldari weapon's case day 1. With the threat of long range weapons you have to play alot more tactical and smarter. Because people aren't running and gunning anymore not even the scouts, I caught one hiding behind a crate inside the complex area yesterday in battle he understood the true force of my Gek-38 when detected. "Stay frosty ! " |
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