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This has to be the most blatant problem in dust at the moment, most everyone is finally aware how obvious the problem with the HMG is. the least you can do CCP is to let us know you will be fixing this soon Gäó

The truth is it has been like this since uprising 1.0

Well guys I got a very nice reply back from the petition I sent in with this video. CCP is aware of the HMG issue.

"of the bullet dispersion not fully expanding along the 'cone' of the Heavy recticle"

And they are "actively" working on it. Thank you for your promt reply on this ccp I am sure now it will be fixed.


Yea! Great work OP!

Hey guys.

We've had a look at this video and it's pretty cool. Great work pulling it together. :) Love getting this kind of feedback.

We're having a look in to the situation with HMG spread and will keep you posted, mmmmkay.

This has to be the most blatant problem in dust at the moment, most everyone is finally aware how obvious the problem with the HMG is. the least you can do CCP is to let us know you will be fixing this soon Gäó

The truth is it has been like this since uprising 1.0

Well guys I got a very nice reply back from the petition I sent in with this video. CCP is aware of the HMG issue.

"of the bullet dispersion not fully expanding along the 'cone' of the Heavy recticle"

And they are "actively" working on it. Thank you for your promt reply on this ccp I am sure now it will be fixed.

Personally, I think you guys shot yourself in the foot.
Dont ask for MORE dispersion... you should have asked for a better reticle!
You're gonna die worse, if they actually "fix" this. your range (which you didnt know you had, but you do NOW..) will be screwed.

The truth is that the HMG was never designed for combat at ranges farther than 30 meters. It's fast drop i damage out of this zone makes the weapon extremely ineffective at farther than optimal ranges. Having to use a weapon with the same spread as a sniper rifle in CQC is akin to trying to use nova knives long range. It just doesn't work.

As it stand the enemy can outstrafe a heavy at close and long ranges easily. The meager damage applied at range is horrile even at 40 meters away where no matter what you do AR, SCR and even SMG will out DPS you do to better hit to shots fire ratios.

Unfortunately, knowing how to use it properly does not it a superior weapon to its competition.

Never designed for combat further than 30m? Says who? Far as I know, before Uprising the HMG was handling that range with ease, and no heavy was complaining about the HMG. Uprising came along, HMGs got nerfed to crap, and assault players rejoiced! When last have you seen a "THE HMG IS OP!!!" thread? ...exactly.

People need to drop this crap about "HEAVIES ARE ONLY FOR CQC! LEARN TO PLAY YOUR ROLE!" Again, heavies were a formidable enemy when they were pushing the front lines to an objective. Not camping a hack like they are doing now.

HMGs were nerfed because Assault players couldn't 1v1 a heavy, and everyday was a QQ thread about it during Chromosome. They got their wish in Uprising, and heavies were basically forced to camp objectives, and people just took it. People just assumed "Well, heavies are only for CQC, so the HMG is perfect." Big mistake, and we're still paying for it to this day because people didn't make enough noise.

One thing that I would like to see tested is the actual DPS of the HMG.

Take a standard HMG, stand so that the other suit takes up the entire aiming circle and count how bullets it takes to kill them.

The stats of the weapon state that it has an accuracy of 61%, and I take that to mean that 61% of the bullets hit the small dot, but what happens to the other 39%?

I have seen several threads that complain about the Hit detection on the HMG is horrible, and that it feels like a 1/3 bullets never hit.

Could this be where this issue is coming from?

I hope that if you watch the video it will clear things up.

I have watched the video, what I mean is on paper the HMG has a DPS of around 566.66 (17 per bullet time 2000 rpm divided by 60 seconds) The test I would like to see is at point blank range with the small white dot center chest with the enemy taking up the entire larger circle.

By counting how many bullets it takes to kill a suit (amarr would be best because of the shields and armor equal) we could take the total HP of the suit divided by the number of rounds it takes to kill and see it is even close to 17.

I have had several occasions where I had someone dead to rights (they were hacking a terminal, sniper, looking the other way) and it seemed that it took forever to kill them.

The question that I have is if the 61% accuracy are the only bullets even when the white dot is center chest and any dispersion should still hit the target, or do the 39% disappear even in a perfect control test?

I've known this for a while now.

It's how the game works...basically the damage is calculated based on whether or not the tiny dot in the center is red.

Other weapons (like the assault rifle) have a larger area that will turn it red. If that small dot was bigger (say, the size of the actual reticule?) maybe the HMG would work like it's supposed to.

sigh -_-

BTW, put the link at the top of your post. That way people click on it first, and let them know it's the video, or to watch it first before reading.

I agree with what you say, The purpose for me saying it like that is that CCP wanted the weapon to be used at those ranges in uprising. I do understand that before uprising HMG's where boss and to be honest they should always be boss.

The drawbacks of using a heavy suit are many like no equipment slot and slow sprint speed letting you take more fire than normal.

Even then there are further drawback to using HMG. You need gunnery 5 as well and there is no militia variant making people take sort of a leap of faith when speccing into it. That leap of faith backfires when they notice it's not even a competitive weapon.

So yes. You are correct in saying That a heavy shouldn't be limited to CQC. I agree. But My statement just reflect the current playstyle CCP wants for the weapon.

If it where for me I would have it have the same range of the AR because it's an HMG. It's supposed to be KING and bow to no one.

I want to reiterate on what I said. I do not share the view of CCP in how they balanced the weapon. The statement was to show that even at the range CCP made the weapon function it's not functioning. They made the dropoff at 30 meters so for all intents and purposes after the balance in uprising the weapon was never intended to function properly beyond that range.

Thinking about it now, he had be one hell of a good shot to attain a score like that with such a gimped weapon.

i haz noe gun game.....

I think it was around Uprising 1.3, but I remember squadding up with a Heavy by the name of "Red Dragonfly." We were in a Domination match and this guy was beasting. With only an ADV basic Heavy frame and an MH-82, he went somewhere around 55-3 in that game while I went 21-10 in a similar fitting. Thinking about it now, he had be one hell of a good shot to attain a score like that with such a gimped weapon.

i haz noe gun game.....

*runs back to Assault MD and rep tool*

Never designed for combat further than 30m? Says who? Far as I know, before Uprising the HMG was handling that range with ease, and no heavy was complaining about the HMG. Uprising came along, HMGs got nerfed to crap, and assault players rejoiced! When last have you seen a "THE HMG IS OP!!!" thread? ...exactly.

People need to drop this crap about "HEAVIES ARE ONLY FOR CQC! LEARN TO PLAY YOUR ROLE!" Again, heavies were a formidable enemy when they were pushing the front lines to an objective. Not camping a hack like they are doing now.

HMGs were nerfed because Assault players couldn't 1v1 a heavy, and everyday was a QQ thread about it during Chromosome. They got their wish in Uprising, and heavies were basically forced to camp objectives, and people just took it. People just assumed "Well, heavies are only for CQC, so the HMG is perfect." Big mistake, and we're still paying for it to this day because people didn't make enough noise.

Its ridiculuous how pin point small the recticle is for the hmg and how it must be center mass to do more damage than a cotton ball is even more messed up . Plus 1 for heavy kind

At least in the video I did not see that it had to be pointing at the center of mass to do damage. From what I could tell, it must be dead center ANYWHERE on the target enemy to deal its damage.

It's funny to me that Heavies are complaining about this. Ppl who used shotguns always knew that you deal minimal damage within circle reticle unless the reticle dead centered - ppl grumbled about it since it's a SG with spread but there was not a river of tears like this now with HMG. I think it's not fair that HMG went from god weapon in chromo to a regular weapon but I don't see a problem with weapons being just normal. CCP should just not make god weapons period, so that there is not a crowd of angry players when they take it away.

I would agree that reticle on HMG is misleading and should be reworked.