all they will do is push there own agenda for the corp/alliance they are in and for the weapons/dropsuits they use

You had 1 job to do and you still havnt done it

Lots of patronising "you dont get us" posts by an army of CPM trying to hold onto their precious elevated statushood while blaming the community for not approaching them yet sitting on a pedestal creating barriers through arrogant posts.....

I think this premise is done, or perhaps you think i should educate myself somemore so my opinion perhaps morphs to fit yours?

an army of CPM trying to hold onto their precious elevated statushood

I'm the one doing arrogant posts ? You have to be kidding me. And why do you get offended suddenly when the only people i am targetting are those thinking we're only doing this for ourselves ? Afaik, you never said such thing and just have doubts regarding how usefull a CPM actually is. And i get that. But that's not point here.

Tbh, it's a fair question and something i wouldnt mind discussing. Is it usefull at all ? Is it usefull now or is it a matter of timing ?

Me being angry is not even a question of determining if we are the best for the job. It's about easy critics and accusations. That i cannot stand.


And again, you have no clue who i am nor what i want. You'd be surprised how quick i'd like to see the election process start and my term come to an end. So again dont try to step in my shoes and assume what i want. That's the only thing i cannot stand. Having a bunch of forum\internet warriors thinking they know everything and forgetting to give people the benefit of the doubt or even trying to think about the possibility that being CPM may be harder than it seems and not just about asking stuff and getting them.

So yeah. bite me. Anyone will be welcome to take my place when the election process start. But trust me that then, you'd better do a hell of a job

I welcome others to take our seats and they too will understand that good CPMs wield pens and words far better than plasma rifles.

No problem IWS!

Vote for me why dont cha

Sell me a good campaign, sell me your resume and you too could possibly buy my vote. Remember anyone planning on running for CPM should already be already involving themselves with getting their names out. I recommend contacting podcasts, having blog spheres and starting good threads of discussion and debate.

Seriously do we even need a CPM? surely with additions to CCP like logibro etc these are real dust players who get the game, why do we need to select a small unrepresentative group of players to be a focus group?

Do i need to spout marketing 101? - a focus group is something that changes each time you change the product......

CCP just keep the eve players happy with the CSM so they can feel important for once in their lives that they get to direct SPACE GAMES, dust i think isn't the same thing. Don't elevate a small group of people into 'hubris' - spread your focus group around, setup virtual groups and test a much wider sample of players

Just my 10 cents.

Funny you should mention that IWS, I have had a thread or two about my campaign, Iv been getting my name out on here and in the game, have a few people who'll speak good will on my behalf, and im currently in talks with Gimble about being on his podcast (Iv been really busy these last two weeks when I was suppost to be on).

Okay, well why not try and do something for the community?

I havnt had enough time to edit a lot of the wiki, there is still a lot of space missing or old stuff thats remained unchanged from older updates?

how about get involved in one of the charity events some people are doing?

There are many ways you can benifit the comunity beyond trying to get a pedestal.

its completly free to update or change

I wonder if the CPM has different representatives to the roles in the battlefield i.e. a logistics CPM, heavy CPM.

You know, I actually agree with you, to a point. I've said it from the start. There's simply no way a 6-12 person group can provide effective feedback on all topics in an unbiased form. From the beginning, I've advocated that CCP instead make the "CPM" made up of several subgroups, much like ISD teams. These teams could be separated into groups like HAV, dropships, weapons, suits, etc. (You get the idea) and then the teams in question within CCP could poll the related player team without having the other teams stick their noses in and waste everyone's time with uninformed (and usually wrong) opinions.

The "Main CPM" itself could be created by 'electing' leader/representatives from each team.

However....

I do think you're missing the point. The vocal majority of /any/ community on the internet is going to be idiots. This is just a sad truth. No quality feedback, if any can ever really be gathered from these people. The real source of constructive, actionable feedback is the inteligent minority. I will make no claims that myself or my council dudebros are more intelligent than any others in that minority, simply that we're a part of that minority (Except IWS, obv )

People saying "Man, we'll elect people who will do such a better job" are simply looking to vilify without cause. The truth is, no one really knows what we're pushing for, in almost every case where they claim we push only our own agendas. We've love it to death if CCP allowed us to operate with complete transparency, but that is simply not going to happen, because CCP's information overlords need to justify their own jobs and need to micromanage every tidbit of information we release.

I have no doubt in my mind that people chosen by the vocal majority without some method of filter on CCP's part would be far worse than what people falsely believe about CPM0. To this end, I have strongly advocated that during the selection process, the only people who should be eligible for election are people that CCP can look into their past history in the dust community and see a strong contribution. (Ironically enough, people like you, Pyrex, who have made countless tutorial videos) Podcasters, forum warriors, twitter bros, etc.... CCP should be able to look at a candidate and say "Yeah, this person is super dedicated, and they will make a good CPM." Being popular is no justification for being on the CPM. The capacity to remain profressional and forward even perspectives that are in direct opposition to your own are vital. This is the level of trust and maturity required to have a strong council. A level of maturity NOT shown by the vast majority of those on the internet.

So, before you question the people on the council... I'd like to ask you to question what you actually know about what we've been doing these past six months. Then ask yourself if that's really a reason to have misgivings about the council. If you really sit there and analyze what we have done and what CCP has actually done in response... You would realize that if anything, it is CCP that has dropped the ball. The CPM warned them many times by raising red flags prior to something hitting the live builds (Flaylocks, the AFK "fix", the recent point cap hotfix, numerous exploits, etc.) all of which were pretty much ignored.

That said, I will not say that we've been entirely without bias. After all, we're human. Sometimes when a topic of particular interest to one of us comes up, we can get a little over passionate. However, in all cases this has happened... the rest of the council has yanked the leash in a separate channel telling the person to STFU and ease up. You have only my word for this, of course. But rest assured that no single agenda can be pushed without the rest of the council say "Hey, hold on a minute. Look at why this is being said."

Ok, all of those accusing us CPM trying to push stuff for our alliance or ourselves over and over again when you have absolutely NO fact nor knowledge backing this up. Well screw you big time. Oh and i dont give a **** whether you think my reaction is appropriate or not

At some point, investing your own time in something you're doing in full honesty and being criticized over and over and over again is both preposterous and a tad painfull.

Tell me dude(s) (yeah you're not alone) ? do you wake up 1 hour or 2 earlier in the morning to have a meeting with Shangai people before going to work ? Or before sleeping ? Do you spend time writing stuff down and discussing with devs throughout the day making you stay at work that much longer because you left some work aside doing it ?

NO. so please try and show some respect for the investment whether or not you like the outcome instead of just blabbing ridiculous accusations like this. And regarding the "they dont know anything about what's needed or what the community wants" coming from 4 month old player. Did you try and dig up the forum for past discussions of us when we were not even CPM yet ? Did you listen or read any of the roundtables\QA sessions at Fanfest to see what is our opinion on various matter regarding the game ? Surely not. As it would already be too much work for you to just check out a few forum thread.

And you want to vote the next CPM ? LOL. Lucky for us you're just a small bunch of loudy idiots and most people know better. Otherwise, my trust in an election system would just collapse to emptyness.

Looks like i touched a nerve

No one asked you to do this apart from CCP, you could have said no but it gave you a chance to abuse game mechanics 1st

Also i dont do the above because im not apart of the CPM you dumbass

Give me a vote so i can vote you out, you claim a small minority yet its the majority who dont even know you exist let alone do anything useful and even if it collapses to emptyness then at least it will be an improvement over you since we know it will be useless from the get go and it wont have an ego to fill

This reply from you just proves how useless and up your own arse you are, you do nothing, you fix nothing, you advance nothing, you are nothing except a CCP puppet show making you dance around thinking you are important

You had 1 job to do and you still havnt done it - You can talk when you have actually finished that 1 job

Looks like i touched a nerve

No one asked you to do this apart from CCP, you could have said no but it gave you a chance to abuse game mechanics 1st

Also i dont do the above because im not apart of the CPM you dumbass

Give me a vote so i can vote you out, you claim a small minority yet its the majority who dont even know you exist let alone do anything useful and even if it collapses to emptyness then at least it will be an improvement over you since we know it will be useless from the get go and it wont have an ego to fill

This reply from you just proves how useless and up your own arse you are, you do nothing, you fix nothing, you advance nothing, you are nothing except a CCP puppet show making you dance around thinking you are important

You had 1 job to do and you still havnt done it - You can talk when you have actually finished that 1 job

Yeah you did stroke a nerve. But seems like you're unable to see which one. And what i blame you for. But that doesnt surprise me much actually.

Let's make it simple :
- Why accuse me\us of having an agenda for ourselves, or abuse game mechanics ? How can you say such thing ? What facts do you have supporting that theory of yours ? Still waiting on hard facts there instead of blunt accusations. I could do the exact same thing and just say you're only harassing me because of that district you lost yesterday against WTFR. That would be just as dumb.

- Ego trip ? Again, find one example of me padding my ego, acting almighty or superior or changing any bit of my behavior because of being CPM. You'll find none.

- You dont do any of those things i do ? Oh snap, i'm surprised. rhetorical question much ? The only point there was to try and make you grasp that being CPM is not just asking stuff. That if i do it it's because i believe it can lead to good things. If i wanted to take advantage of it just to help me in game, i wouldn't go through such work. Yes i chose to do it. Nobody forced me. But again. not the point.

Let's be very clear here one last time. You can think any CPM is useless. You can think i'm bad at it. Fine. But dont come in here shouting that i'm doing this for myself when you have no idea what you're talking about.

As for creating an election process. It's still in the works and taking too long to my taste. But turns out the release and development of the game did switch priority a lot from that matter. But you may have known that already if only you had red some of our discussions before coming in here and spilling your poison.

Finally, i get impulsive quite easily. As much as i despise you at the moment i'm still gonna apologize for the tone i used. I'm not perfect, never claimed to be. And that's what i keep in mind when discussing anything related to the game with CCP.

And yeah it hurts to read that i'm apparently just a major ass that only does CPM for the forum tag and to get stuff for him and his pals. Dont know how you would have react but me, i cant go pass that.

Pretty disappointed with some of the attitudes being shown here by the CPM, you are being massively over protective of what is essentially a CCP lack of interest in your office.

Given the way the CPM are acting, why on earth would a community member come to any of you when you show such emotion and frustration to the entire process yourselves.

The only thing to do is resign to show CCP that its not accepted by you either.