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Egypt Musk
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
38
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Posted - 2013.10.29 12:45:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:The CPM was a selected, diverse group of high level, knowledgeable players aimed to represent DUST 514 players to the development team.
I swear they all are originally from beta max good diverse focus group. Aeon Amadi for CPM!! |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
1967
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:01:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:The CPM was a selected, diverse group of high level, knowledgeable players aimed to represent DUST 514 players to the development team. I swear they all are originally from beta max good diverse focus group. Aeon Amadi for CPM!!
Nope, we arent :) |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
3514
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:29:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:"high level knowledgeable players"? PLEASE. kain speros the only decent player in CPM, as well as being the only active player, probably the only one to play PC battles and probably the only one with a proto suit, oddly enough hes the only one with a decent head around his shoulders and a REAL understanding of this game as well as its players. But the rest of the CPM is garbage in different ways like inactivity, bias, outright aholes, or just plain dumb. I could give multiple examples of each of these. Troll or not..... I do play, am CEO of my corp, play PC, got 20+ million SP and run the only french website on the game. And the other people you're criticizing all know the game like if they were born in it. And certainly gave much more interesting input than what you could in a lifetime judging by the brightness of your intervention. Having critics is one thing. Being plain insulting while not knowing who you're talking about is another. Now, to more constructive business... This statement is a good thing. It flashes light on some issues we had that can explain the supermassive black hole feeling most people probably had with the CPM so far. I never hid the fact it pretty much pushed me away from the game, combined to a general exhaustion feeling after focusing too much and too seriously on Dust for more than a year. But now, this is behind. And all i'm interested in, and i think most people CPM or not feel the same, is looking forward to how the game will change and evolve and how everyone can help in the process. Errors and mistakes are good for one thing : learning. So now, let's all join hands and sing while shooting people in the face.
Screen capping this epic pwnage.
ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
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Cass Caul
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2013.10.29 22:02:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:CPM was a selected, diverse group of high level, knowledgeable players aimed to represent DUST 514 players to the development team.
they are anything but skilled. They are not a good representation of the DUST 514 community. They barely play the game if they do at all.
Be like the CSM and actually elect people that will put the time into being a part of it. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
577
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Posted - 2013.10.29 22:38:00 -
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I'd like to take the time to sate again, Mossellia Delt (myself) will be running for the CPM1 once the CPM0 can figure out the election process.
Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r
Alts - Medrean Delt (The Generals) / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence)
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crazy space 1
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
1944
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:08:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:"high level knowledgeable players"? PLEASE. kain speros the only decent player in CPM, as well as being the only active player, probably the only one to play PC battles and probably the only one with a proto suit, oddly enough hes the only one with a decent head around his shoulders and a REAL understanding of this game as well as its players. But the rest of the CPM is garbage in different ways like inactivity, bias, outright aholes, or just plain dumb. I could give multiple examples of each of these. Troll or not..... I do play, am CEO of my corp, play PC, got 20+ million SP and run the only french website on the game. And the other people you're criticizing all know the game like if they were born in it. And certainly gave much more interesting input than what you could in a lifetime judging by the brightness of your intervention. Having critics is one thing. Being plain insulting while not knowing who you're talking about is another. Now, to more constructive business... This statement is a good thing. It flashes light on some issues we had that can explain the supermassive black hole feeling most people probably had with the CPM so far. I never hid the fact it pretty much pushed me away from the game, combined to a general exhaustion feeling after focusing too much and too seriously on Dust for more than a year. But now, this is behind. And all i'm interested in, and i think most people CPM or not feel the same, is looking forward to how the game will change and evolve and how everyone can help in the process. Errors and mistakes are good for one thing : learning. So now, let's all join hands and sing while shooting people in the face.
Well. to be fair you are less "talkative", and also the most knowledgeable member on the CPM. |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
1981
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:23:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:CPM was a selected, diverse group of high level, knowledgeable players aimed to represent DUST 514 players to the development team. they are anything but skilled. They are not a good representation of the DUST 514 community. They barely play the game if they do at all. Be like the CSM and actually elect people that will put the time into being a part of it.
Yet another someone who obviously knows what he's talking about Just mentioning the fact we should have been elected, when we're bound to create that election system, is proof #1 you should have kept your mouth shut. As for playing and skill, please do find me on the BF. |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
1981
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:26:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:"high level knowledgeable players"? PLEASE. kain speros the only decent player in CPM, as well as being the only active player, probably the only one to play PC battles and probably the only one with a proto suit, oddly enough hes the only one with a decent head around his shoulders and a REAL understanding of this game as well as its players. But the rest of the CPM is garbage in different ways like inactivity, bias, outright aholes, or just plain dumb. I could give multiple examples of each of these. Troll or not..... I do play, am CEO of my corp, play PC, got 20+ million SP and run the only french website on the game. And the other people you're criticizing all know the game like if they were born in it. And certainly gave much more interesting input than what you could in a lifetime judging by the brightness of your intervention. Having critics is one thing. Being plain insulting while not knowing who you're talking about is another. Now, to more constructive business... This statement is a good thing. It flashes light on some issues we had that can explain the supermassive black hole feeling most people probably had with the CPM so far. I never hid the fact it pretty much pushed me away from the game, combined to a general exhaustion feeling after focusing too much and too seriously on Dust for more than a year. But now, this is behind. And all i'm interested in, and i think most people CPM or not feel the same, is looking forward to how the game will change and evolve and how everyone can help in the process. Errors and mistakes are good for one thing : learning. So now, let's all join hands and sing while shooting people in the face. Well. to be fair you are less "talkative", and also the most knowledgeable member on the CPM.
Well i'm french, so cant be that "talkative" :D
But seriously though, there are some CPM members i think most people underestimate the commitment they showed and how the apparent lack of knowledge one could suspect is very very wrong. It's a solid group in terms of discussion, opposing ideas and taking into account what players are saying out there.
Also, it's a much more difficult task than one could anticipate. I know i did not. but hey, adapt or die |
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP
113
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:01:00 -
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Meh, why should we believe any of this?
Still no rollover SP system.
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:"We are well aware of the fact that the daily/weekly skill point rollover system is the favorite amongst the community, and we are implementing such a system aimed at the next major release."
"We would like to remind you that these changes do not represent the final skill point system and that we are still working hard on getting to the fully polished rollover system later on."
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=486408#post486408
CCP Frame wrote:We will monitor the situation after the changes are live and look forward to receiving feedback from you. Once again, we would like to remind you that weekly skill point rollover system is being worked on and that this is just the temporary solution that we are implementing.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=503133#post503133
DUST514 Love The Dream Hate The Product
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Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
750
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Posted - 2013.10.30 20:43:00 -
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The CPM-CCP dialog yet again hits its increasingly traditional CCP response note like clockwork.
Sincerity from both the CPM and CCP in trying to engage with each other and produce the bare necessities of a working CPM doesn't really seem to be in question. Just like it didn't seem to be in doubt the last time we had a problem stretch with the CPM's development. And that time seemed just as sincere as when the CPM was originally appointed.
Perhaps you guys and gals at CCP will understand when I say that the message here is simultaneously another welcome reaffirming of CCP's commitment to the CPM concept and also completely worthless unaccompanied.
The trick here is to follow up this post with action- publicly visible action at that. If within a month CCP and the CPM haven't created a charter with all the details that entails then the message here is as worthless as the last few rounds of nice words on the topic. Clear, goal-driven, and rapid action on the CPM front is the only way to avoid losing most of the already tenuous faith anybody has in CCP's ability to actually get the job done.
The ball's in your court CCP'ers, probably for the last time. It'd be best to hit an ace or step out of the game.
PC Coordinator for RISE of LEGION
Have a pony
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Celus Ivara
DUST University Ivy League
122
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:15:00 -
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Though I won't strike quite the same tone as Leither, my view on the situation is the same: Great words, CCP! Exactly what I was hoping to hear. But, we must acknowledge that words without actions are meaningless. It is important for all parties to learn the lessons of the past year, and move forward with strong actions in the coming months. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2013.10.31 03:33:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Just over 6 months ago, CCP formed the first iteration of the Council of Planetary Management (CPM) for DUST 514. The CPM was a selected, diverse group of high level, knowledgeable players aimed to represent DUST 514 players to the development team. You can read more about their original purpose here, but IGÇÖd like to take some time to talk about their growth, current and past integration into the DUST development process, and opportunities to improve their effectiveness for both players and CCP. The CPM was inspired by EVE OnlineGÇÖs Council of Stellar Management (CSM), a democratically elected player counsel that acts as a representative body for the player-base. The CSM serves a year-long term and, along with regular digital meetings with EVE development teams, meets directly with CCP development teams several times at intensive, in-person summits. You can read more about the CSM here. Among the primary functions of the CSM, now in its 8th seated counsel, has been to act as a GÇ£focus groupGÇ¥ for the EVE development teams by getting early access to information and providing feedback on upcoming features in order to help shape the ongoing development of the game. The CPM was formed in the similar hope that they would provide a representative voice for players and be equally as helpful in the development of DUST 514. However, changes in key personnel within the DUST 514 development team has made it difficult to continuously engage the CPM in open dialogue regarding the development of DUST 514, and this lack of dialogue sometimes resulted in dropped balls, or topics being lost in the accelerated pace of development. However, we think that by understanding the difficulties and mistakes of the past, we can turn the CPM into the effective council that both CCP and the CPM have always hoped it would be. From the beginning, CCP Xhagen and I, CCP Dolan, were the primary points of contact for all CSM and CPM matters. However, with CCP Xhagen transitioning into his role as a producer for EVE Online, I have realized that I need to enlist additional help so that we can turn the CPM into the success it deserves to be. The recent arrival and support of CCP Rouge (Executive Producer) has been immensely helpful in involving the CPM deeply in to the development process in our Shanghai office. The CPM has already held several meetings with him over the last couple of weeks and will continue to do so in the coming future. Additionally, CCP Saberwing (DUST 514 Community Manager) will be working with the CPM to organize and oversee the CPMGÇÖs direct connection with all of the relevant DUST 514 Development teams. With this new team in place, we anticipate a more active and fluid level of communication between CCP and the CPM. Similarly, the monthly release schedule necessitated by DUST 514GÇÖs rapid development has provided its own set of unique challenges and opportunities. It has required a reassessment of our communication pathways, as we have found that the structure derived from our relationship with the CSM simply isnGÇÖt applicable. To address this issue, CCP will now focus on talking to the CPM when setting goals and designs for features far in advance of them actually being worked on. This will allow their feedback to be concentrated on the finer details once development has begun. While there have been difficulties over the past 6 months, the CPM has demonstrated a continued commitment to working with CCP, and I must commend them for their dedicated time and effort. Their institution is invaluable in a game as new and rapidly growing as DUST 514, especially given the single shared universe it inhabits with EVE Online. CCP is fully committed to strengthening their relationship with the CPM and growing DUST 514 through the help of their collective expertise. --CCP Dolan, on behalf of the DUST development team The garbage cpm and their influence from being the eve nerds they are and NOT shooters is the PRIMARY problem in this game. We need people who shoot not these spreadsheet scrubs. CPM members should not be lomg term eve players, they have long supported no respecs or REFUNDS even after we pay you aurum for something which in my mimd is cash, and you still refuse anything in return and its the influence of the cpms eve mentality that has helped drive you down such an incredibly destitute path. Get rid of eve players from the cpm first.
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Zatara Rought
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1454
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Posted - 2013.10.31 08:25:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Just over 6 months ago, CCP formed the first iteration of the Council of Planetary Management (CPM) for DUST 514. The CPM was a selected, diverse group of high level, knowledgeable players aimed to represent DUST 514 players to the development team. You can read more about their original purpose here, but IGÇÖd like to take some time to talk about their growth, current and past integration into the DUST development process, and opportunities to improve their effectiveness for both players and CCP. The CPM was inspired by EVE OnlineGÇÖs Council of Stellar Management (CSM), a democratically elected player counsel that acts as a representative body for the player-base. The CSM serves a year-long term and, along with regular digital meetings with EVE development teams, meets directly with CCP development teams several times at intensive, in-person summits. You can read more about the CSM here. Among the primary functions of the CSM, now in its 8th seated counsel, has been to act as a GÇ£focus groupGÇ¥ for the EVE development teams by getting early access to information and providing feedback on upcoming features in order to help shape the ongoing development of the game. The CPM was formed in the similar hope that they would provide a representative voice for players and be equally as helpful in the development of DUST 514. However, changes in key personnel within the DUST 514 development team has made it difficult to continuously engage the CPM in open dialogue regarding the development of DUST 514, and this lack of dialogue sometimes resulted in dropped balls, or topics being lost in the accelerated pace of development. However, we think that by understanding the difficulties and mistakes of the past, we can turn the CPM into the effective council that both CCP and the CPM have always hoped it would be. From the beginning, CCP Xhagen and I, CCP Dolan, were the primary points of contact for all CSM and CPM matters. However, with CCP Xhagen transitioning into his role as a producer for EVE Online, I have realized that I need to enlist additional help so that we can turn the CPM into the success it deserves to be. The recent arrival and support of CCP Rouge (Executive Producer) has been immensely helpful in involving the CPM deeply in to the development process in our Shanghai office. The CPM has already held several meetings with him over the last couple of weeks and will continue to do so in the coming future. Additionally, CCP Saberwing (DUST 514 Community Manager) will be working with the CPM to organize and oversee the CPMGÇÖs direct connection with all of the relevant DUST 514 Development teams. With this new team in place, we anticipate a more active and fluid level of communication between CCP and the CPM. Similarly, the monthly release schedule necessitated by DUST 514GÇÖs rapid development has provided its own set of unique challenges and opportunities. It has required a reassessment of our communication pathways, as we have found that the structure derived from our relationship with the CSM simply isnGÇÖt applicable. To address this issue, CCP will now focus on talking to the CPM when setting goals and designs for features far in advance of them actually being worked on. This will allow their feedback to be concentrated on the finer details once development has begun. While there have been difficulties over the past 6 months, the CPM has demonstrated a continued commitment to working with CCP, and I must commend them for their dedicated time and effort. Their institution is invaluable in a game as new and rapidly growing as DUST 514, especially given the single shared universe it inhabits with EVE Online. CCP is fully committed to strengthening their relationship with the CPM and growing DUST 514 through the help of their collective expertise. --CCP Dolan, on behalf of the DUST development team The garbage cpm and their influence from being the eve nerds they are and NOT shooters is the PRIMARY problem in this game. We need people who shoot not these spreadsheet scrubs. CPM members should not be lomg term eve players, they have long supported no respecs or REFUNDS even after we pay you aurum for something which in my mimd is cash, and you still refuse anything in return and its the influence of the cpms eve mentality that has helped drive you down such an incredibly destitute path. Get rid of eve players from the cpm first.
I used to think the same but can attest having worked with kain and playing laurent they both possess skill. Nova I haven't seen go positive and iron wolf I've never seen him fare that well either...Jenza I lol'ed at in games...back in chrome when I saw her and nova ha.
Heinrich I haven't seen but I'm sure that's explainable.
CCP has 2 sides of the brain. Problem is there's nothing right in the left brain and nothing left in the right brain.
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Dante Kretschmer
D3LTA ACADEMY
90
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Posted - 2013.10.31 10:34:00 -
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I hope this statement from CCP translates into something tangible in the near future.
Also I wanted to thank the CPM for all the work they do as I'm seeing many biased resentment in the thread. I couldn't care less about how they were elected but I think they're doing an amazing job for free, and yes, they do know the game like if it was their son. They spend a lot of their free time in doing this for us, so be more appreciative and less whinning.
I just hope that when we get elections (something which I'm not particularly looking forward to) we have more people supporting dedicated players, like the current CPM, than an angry mob thinking they will do better.
Good job and keep it up! |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
99
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Posted - 2013.10.31 11:06:00 -
[45] - Quote
CCP Dolan wrote: Their institution is invaluable in a game as new and rapidly growing as DUST 514....
--CCP Dolan, on behalf of the DUST development team
Wait, what?
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
How is this growing exactly? Explain to me like I'm a 6 year old. |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
602
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:23:00 -
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Alex Smoke wrote:CCP Dolan wrote: Their institution is invaluable in a game as new and rapidly growing as DUST 514....
--CCP Dolan, on behalf of the DUST development team Wait, what? http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustHow is this growing exactly? Explain to me like I'm a 6 year old. Well, what happens is you have a game, and that game has a feature list. Some games don't get new features after they are launched. Some games get new features once or twice a year. And some games get new features every month or two.
The games that get new features every month or two are called "rapidly growing" by us grownups.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
100
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:52:00 -
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The game is growing neither rapidly in features, nor in players; you're misinformed please educate yourself. |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
602
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:12:00 -
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Alex Smoke wrote:The game is growing neither rapidly in features, nor in players; you're misinformed please educate yourself. I did educate myself: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1342748#post1342748
I do appear to have misunderstood your previous post. I assumed you wanted us to treat you as if you were 6 years old. I didn't realise you actually are 6 years old, but your petulant tantrum has shown me the error of my ways.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
1065
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:18:00 -
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what we need is to vote in our own cpm.
no offence to cpm 0, but they really don't get this game, or what the community wants.
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Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
271
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:28:00 -
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I'll believe it when I see it, and when I see active steps taken towards a charter and a CPM that players can elect.
Empty promises mean nothing. |
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Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
100
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Posted - 2013.11.02 02:14:00 -
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My graphs still show player numbers dropping, and your feature list is a joke (vaporware); the way the current patches are going that list won't be finished until 2020. You're either naive or just plain stupid, this game has gone nowhere since the official launch. It's still just a lobby shooter with pizz poor performance and balance issues, and the EVE link is a joke.
You must have really low expectations as a player, I guess you'll take anything as long as it's free. |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
603
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Posted - 2013.11.02 10:57:00 -
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Alex Smoke wrote:My graphs still show player numbers dropping, and your feature list is a joke (vaporware); the way the current patches are going that list won't be finished until 2020. You're either naive or just plain stupid, this game has gone nowhere since the official launch. It's still just a lobby shooter with pizz poor performance and balance issues, and the EVE link is a joke. You must have really low expectations as a player, I guess you'll take anything as long as it's free. I understand that player numbers are dropping; I'm not disputing that and can read Chribba's graphs as well as anyone. I'm pointing out that there is more than one way for a game to be growing, and providing evidence that Dust is growing in terms of features.
I presume that you read my feature list with your 6 year old's eyes, as (apart from the 1.6 items marked with question marks) it quite clearly is a list of features that had already been implemented. It is therefore obviously not vapourware. Saying that the list won't be finished until 2020 when the vast majority of it is already in game and the remaining items are currently planned for the next monthly release or two is just making you look silly.
I have quite high expectations as a player, and CCP aren't really meeting them. I think they really dropped the ball in the first half of this year, and I think the change of leadership demonstrates that they know that. That doesn't change the fact that they are releasing new features & content into the game every month or two.
And yes, I'll take whatever I'm given in a free game, as long as I enjoy it. If I don't enjoy it I won't play it.
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Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
118
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Posted - 2013.11.02 15:20:00 -
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CPM= Crooked Poo Munchers
These clowns ONLY care about themselves and how to make the game better for THEM. They have done MORE damage then good. They requested changes that no one else wanted. I have NO RESPECT for these clowns. I will not stop until they are all bleeding out in a pile of poo. Stop fking up the game and worry about ADDING NEW STUFF.
A shitstorm is coming.......
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9853
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Posted - 2013.11.04 09:51:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:CPM= Crooked Poo Munchers
These clowns ONLY care about themselves and how to make the game better for THEM. They have done MORE damage then good. They requested changes that no one else wanted. I have NO RESPECT for these clowns. I will not stop until they are all bleeding out in a pile of poo. Stop fking up the game and worry about ADDING NEW STUFF.
Examples?
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
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CEOPyrex CloneA
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
312
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:54:00 -
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Seriously do we even need a CPM? surely with additions to CCP like logibro etc these are real dust players who get the game, why do we need to select a small unrepresentative group of players to be a focus group?
Do i need to spout marketing 101? - a focus group is something that changes each time you change the product......
CCP just keep the eve players happy with the CSM so they can feel important for once in their lives that they get to direct SPACE GAMES, dust i think isn't the same thing. Don't elevate a small group of people into 'hubris' - spread your focus group around, setup virtual groups and test a much wider sample of players
Just my 10 cents.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
177
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:15:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Seriously do we even need a CPM? surely with additions to CCP like logibro etc these are real dust players who get the game, why do we need to select a small unrepresentative group of players to be a focus group?
Do i need to spout marketing 101? - a focus group is something that changes each time you change the product......
CCP just keep the eve players happy with the CSM so they can feel important for once in their lives that they get to direct SPACE GAMES, dust i think isn't the same thing. Don't elevate a small group of people into 'hubris' - spread your focus group around, setup virtual groups and test a much wider sample of players
Just my 10 cents.
I agree with this. Even if the CPM was elected, consulting it would be a waste of time as it would just reflect whatever biases that small elite happens to have at that time. The CPM should be abolished with the wider community treated as the first and last port of call for consultation. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1606
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Posted - 2013.11.04 13:08:00 -
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Yet more talk about how the CPM is useful yet nothing ever seems to happen
CPM is a dead horse and consistantly CCP trys to poke it with a stick to make it seem relevent and even attaches it to a pully system and dangles it infront of the community to show how alive it is
Problem is its been dead since day 2
All they have to do is figure out a voting system, even then CPM1 wont be any better i believe but at least i get the chance to vote someone in of relevence who may actually speak sense and help improve the game and give back valid intel and opinions to the devs or it will just be an exact copy of CPM0 and all they will do is push there own agenda for the corp/alliance they are in and for the weapons/dropsuits they use
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
303
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Posted - 2013.11.04 15:03:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Seriously do we even need a CPM? surely with additions to CCP like logibro etc these are real dust players who get the game, why do we need to select a small unrepresentative group of players to be a focus group?
Do i need to spout marketing 101? - a focus group is something that changes each time you change the product......
CCP just keep the eve players happy with the CSM so they can feel important for once in their lives that they get to direct SPACE GAMES, dust i think isn't the same thing. Don't elevate a small group of people into 'hubris' - spread your focus group around, setup virtual groups and test a much wider sample of players
Just my 10 cents.
I believe that questioning new players, vets, casual and hadcore players alike is the key here also. Having a (semi-inactive) veteran group sitting around for a year without any new blood is not a good idea.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 05:24:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Seriously do we even need a CPM? surely with additions to CCP like logibro etc these are real dust players who get the game, why do we need to select a small unrepresentative group of players to be a focus group?
Do i need to spout marketing 101? - a focus group is something that changes each time you change the product......
CCP just keep the eve players happy with the CSM so they can feel important for once in their lives that they get to direct SPACE GAMES, dust i think isn't the same thing. Don't elevate a small group of people into 'hubris' - spread your focus group around, setup virtual groups and test a much wider sample of players
Just my 10 cents.
We're not a focus group.
The more accurate term you're looking for is advocacy group.
http://themittani.com/features/how-its-made-csm-and-sma-fix
Focus groups do not function the way the article does at all.
I love you man but please educate yourself a bit more on the subject. I mean its combat rifle for crying out loud get it right for once...
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
1993
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Posted - 2013.11.05 08:45:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:CPM= Crooked Poo Munchers
These clowns ONLY care about themselves and how to make the game better for THEM. They have done MORE damage then good. They requested changes that no one else wanted. I have NO RESPECT for these clowns. I will not stop until they are all bleeding out in a pile of poo. Stop fking up the game and worry about ADDING NEW STUFF.
As IWS said : Examples ? You wont find any. And You're an obvious idiot that surely never red anything that has been said by either of us. Otherwise you'd know better than to just shout stupid BS like this. But hey, it's so "Cool" to criticize nowadays that ppl will just do it no matter how much they know on the matter.
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