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Vrain Matari
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:04:00 -
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These are good words from CCP Dolan/CCP DUST, and much appreciated. It is encouraging to see the new EP recognizing the potential in the relationship and engaging CPM0. It is also encouraging to hear that more resources, namely CCP SaberWing, are being assigned to the CPM project. The resources are well-spent, imo, and likely to deliver a healthy ROI.
As far as mistakes, missteps, and suchlike are concerned, that's the price of doing business on the frontier. CCP together with the CSM and CPM, are effectively writing the systems manual for including Democratic player representation in the Scrum process. Not a small achievement, imo.
In the end, the mistakes don't matter, the results do. And for this reason i strongly support what CPM Kain Spero has already posted in this thread. The same sentiment has been expressed by other members of the council, and this is meet and just based on what has gone before.
Am i encouraged? Yes. Optimistic? Yes. But also cautious and justifiably so, and definitely paying attention to what CCP does next.
Crazy-talk Postscipt
It is a testament to all of us: CCP DUST, CPM, and the players(especially the forum warriors) that this process continues to move ahead. If one accepts that what we're actually engaged in here is building a virtual universe, and that this has never been done before, it becomes fairly clear that something like the CCP/CSPMs/Players symbiote will be required to nurture New Eden to adulthood.
With complex issues such as these, and with incomplete information, it is virtually always true that the smartest person in the room is everybody. The trick is that the chips have to come off the shoulders and real conversation needs to take place.
It looks to me like we are starting to make that happen. |
Vrain Matari
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:55:00 -
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Definitely disagree with Pyrex re obsoleteing the CPM.
In developing these social-based sandboxgames, the CSM/CPM are just as valuable to CCP as they are to the playerbase.
This is not normal game development - that should be obvious to all concerned by now. The value of the CPM becomes more obvious as core mechanics approces a finished state and CCP can start adding content and the EVE/DUST link opens up. If we were just making another generic shooter then i agree that something like the CPM would be needless and wasteful. But DUST is definitely not going down the generic shooter path, current appearances to the contrary. I think we all know this.
I feel something like the CPM/CSM will be critical to help guide the evolution of the games in the context of the greater New Eden project - CCP devs are too isolated, the connected systems are to big, the behaviour is too chaotic(i mean that in a technical sense) for the ramifications of design decisions to be predictable. Especially so for devs who spend the bulk of their time making the game as opposed to playing it.
The evolution of New Eden needs to be crowdsourced. Something like the CPM and the CSM are reasonably efficient ways to achive that. If these bodies accomplish nothing more than prevent the more bone-headed design decisions from getting in that's enough to justify their existence right there, imo. And the track record from the CSMs is that they've accomplished considerably more than that.
Our current CPM is working in a far more challenging enviroment with CCP Shanghai than the CSM ever had to face, imo. And they are focusing on the two primary issues that need to be dealt with before any more progress can be made: communication and the charter. And they are making progress. With a charter in place elections can proceed. All evidence points to the conclusion that the CPM are working for the betterment of DUST. As far as i'm concerned that's the only thing that matters in this arguement.
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Vrain Matari
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:50:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Pretty disappointed with some of the attitudes being shown here by the CPM, you are being massively over protective of what is essentially a CCP lack of interest in your office.
Given the way the CPM are acting, why on earth would a community member come to any of you when you show such emotion and frustration to the entire process yourselves.
The only thing to do is resign to show CCP that its not accepted by you either.
I see the outcome of a mass resignation being that we will have to reboot the entire process from scratch in the future: more wasted time and resources, only to get to where we are right now, and in all liklihood with less dedicated representatives.
It's easy to point fingers at CCP, it's easy to point fingers at the CPM. But i'm thinking that this whole CPM adventure has occured at a 'very ineresting' time for CCP Sahnghai.
It is premature to burn it all down now. We can smash and murder later. You Pyrex can build the Guillotines. Now that will be a helluva party, n'est pas? |
Vrain Matari
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:42:00 -
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Logibro, it is great to see a statement like this re the CPM.
Those peeps have been taking a lot of heat and i was getting the feeling that CCP had hung them out to dry in the cold, uncaring interstellar winds. |
Vrain Matari
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Posted - 2013.11.06 03:31:00 -
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In following the CSMs in EVE from the beginning up to our current CSM 8 i've been struck by one thing: people might get elected by power blocs, and people might have an agenda, but the vast majority of work that has come out of the CSMs has been for the betterment of the game as a whole. Agendas notwithstanding.
The same will be true here with our CPMs. We've all seen the large number of people invested in this game. Soon, when we genuinely connect to EVE, we will see large numbers of peeps genuinely invested in New Eden. People do not find it hard to rise above their personal agendas to contribute to the greater good, and DUST will benefit greatly from these people.
We're fortunate to have the crew we do for CPM0. Dolan has shown us that the work on the charter and the election mechanics are receiving the attention and effort they deserve. Our epically tortuous path through this process is showing signs of straightening out and there's light and open space up ahead.
To give up, to abandon hope, to yield to rank cynicism at this juncture is foolish, wasteful and offers no conceivable benefit.
Staying the course will put DUST where it should be: beside its sister EVE, as one of the two games in existence that have a democratically elected player council embedded as a stakeholder in the development cycle.
Once that is done we can get to work building a virtual universe. For real.
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Vrain Matari
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:33:00 -
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I'm with NanoCleric on the spirit of what he's proposing.
We have reached the age where all communication, community and networking tools should be accesible from the game client, and should be front and centre when a player logs in.
I don't know where on the roadmap i'd put this as a priority, but fairly high up on the list seem reasonable.
The reasoning behind the high priority is that it's the kind of thing we want to have in place before the full-on integration with New Eden happens.
For peeps who don't come from EVE and who don't spend way too much time on the forums and googling EVE/DUST game mechanics/history/lore that transition is going to be bewildering as hell. |
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