"high level knowledgeable players"? PLEASE.
kain speros the only decent player in CPM, as well as being the only active player, probably the only one to play PC battles and probably the only one with a proto suit, oddly enough hes the only one with a decent head around his shoulders and a REAL understanding of this game as well as its players.
But the rest of the CPM is garbage in different ways like inactivity, bias, outright aholes, or just plain dumb. I could give multiple examples of each of these.

TL;DR: We're back at square one

As long as CCP continues to be capable of actually taking feedback (including negative) and adjusting their game as a result, then hopefully we'll see substantial improvement in the future.

On the other hand, if we keep seeing changes like the recent marketing changes (the alleged "healthy" decision of removing BPOs) there will be essentially no reason for non-hardcore vets to put money into this game. It's been stated plenty of times, but the current "vets" numbers are slowly dying off, and even though "new" vets are coming into play I really can't see how it's a good idea to shut out one group of your players in the HOPES that a new future will bring what you need.

If majority don't want to put money into this game then all of this progress is irrelevant. Players need permanent solutions so they don't feel like they're punished for spending their real life money. The only people that will see major benefits (as usual) from Aurum consumables is vets, since the places they play actually make a substantial return in the form of ISK, officer items & SP. Any other player is essentially wasting their money for short-term instant gratification. If you guys get to keep our hard earned money AND Aurum we buy, then why shouldn't we be allowed to keep the things we purchase?

That is the fundamental flaw with offering countless Aurum consumables to people that believe Aurum item value is higher than it actually is, even though Aurum itself is sold at a "premium" pricetag. Purchases under $20 won't really get you anything substantial. If you guys refuse to make BPOs permanent again, then please give us permanent cosmetics (at or under $20) that we can apply to any number of fittings without them "binding" to items. Make them non-tradeable to compensate. I can somewhat understand restricting/removing permanent items that impact gameplay, but cosmetics won't make you better at the game (unless you add "good" camo, but even then models/textures are dropped at distance) so there is no good reason to not have them permanent.

Fact of the matter is, players that play free to play games need to have permanent options so they have continued motivation to fire up the game, even if it's just to enjoy (and flaunt) their purchases. Free players are CONTENT for paying players. Less players means less fun, which means even less players which results in the death of a game. A slow painful death that nobody wants to see. Aurum prices are outrageously high, and none of the stuff is permanent anymore. Nobody in their right mind should be expected to pay $40+ for something that could be gone in a week. Please, give us permanent solutions, and find a way to work around the "damage" to the game. If you guys can't manage that then you essentially kicked a hole in your own failboat and decided not to patch it up because it would take too long.

And before someone makes a counter-argument "Aurum items will be sellable on the player market!" Okay, sure. But do you REALLY think someone is going to buy $20 of Aurum, buy Proto-tiered stuff and list it at a decent price? Even if they did, someone with mass quantitied of ISK would buy them out and relist them at market value (a higher price). Believing otherwise is naive. That's how businessmen make money: buy low, sell high. They don't care about the item, they care about the profit. The "HTFU NOOB" attitude of the general populace will obviously translate into the market as well. Don't even try to tell me otherwise. Prices don't go down either. As the game goes on, ISK will be valued less and less (due to the amount of it floating around), and as a result prices will go up to reflect that. Aurum items value will go up as well, which also means that eventually you'll have to spend even MORE real money in order to get the same kind of net profit that you did in the past.

Permanent solutions. Cosmetics at the very least. Non-tradeable to encourage people to give money to CCP, rather than players. CCP needs the money to keep the game running. Until I personally see permanent cosmetics CCP will continue to not see a single penny from me. All there is to it.

I swear they all are originally from beta max good diverse focus group. Aeon Amadi for CPM!!

they are anything but skilled. They are not a good representation of the DUST 514 community. They barely play the game if they do at all.

Be like the CSM and actually elect people that will put the time into being a part of it.

Well. to be fair you are less "talkative", and also the most knowledgeable member on the CPM.

CPM= Crooked Poo Munchers

These clowns ONLY care about themselves and how to make the game better for THEM. They have done MORE damage then good. They requested changes that no one else wanted. I have NO RESPECT for these clowns. I will not stop until they are all bleeding out in a pile of poo.
Stop fking up the game and worry about ADDING NEW STUFF.

all they will do is push there own agenda for the corp/alliance they are in and for the weapons/dropsuits they use

You had 1 job to do and you still havnt done it

Lots of patronising "you dont get us" posts by an army of CPM trying to hold onto their precious elevated statushood while blaming the community for not approaching them yet sitting on a pedestal creating barriers through arrogant posts.....

I think this premise is done, or perhaps you think i should educate myself somemore so my opinion perhaps morphs to fit yours?

an army of CPM trying to hold onto their precious elevated statushood

I wonder if the CPM has different representatives to the roles in the battlefield i.e. a logistics CPM, heavy CPM.

Looks like i touched a nerve

No one asked you to do this apart from CCP, you could have said no but it gave you a chance to abuse game mechanics 1st

Also i dont do the above because im not apart of the CPM you dumbass

Give me a vote so i can vote you out, you claim a small minority yet its the majority who dont even know you exist let alone do anything useful and even if it collapses to emptyness then at least it will be an improvement over you since we know it will be useless from the get go and it wont have an ego to fill

This reply from you just proves how useless and up your own arse you are, you do nothing, you fix nothing, you advance nothing, you are nothing except a CCP puppet show making you dance around thinking you are important

You had 1 job to do and you still havnt done it - You can talk when you have actually finished that 1 job

CRONOS war, Betamax also WTF abused in game mechanics for teamkilling claiming metagame, locking districts also metagame by CPM members but cheating for non CPM members, noticed how the CPM corps and alliance started it all is that because they new about it 1st and took advantage? yes it is

Ego trip by several members thinking they are a special snowflake, jenza is prob the worst for this, IWS is a close second

It is the point, i cant do it im not CPM so why list pointless stuff that even if you do it, it doesnt matter anyways because CCP doesnt listen

loldistrict with 1 frame a second in the match, you hold onto that win seems like you need it

If you dispise me or not idgaf i just think the CPM is a waste of time and then new CMs seem to do more than the CPM has ever done in a short space of time

loldistrict with 1 frame a second in the match, you hold onto that win seems like you need it

If you dispise me or not idgaf i just think the CPM is a waste of time and then new CMs seem to do more than the CPM has ever done in a short space of time

Pretty disappointed with some of the attitudes being shown here by the CPM, you are being massively over protective of what is essentially a CCP lack of interest in your office.

Given the way the CPM are acting, why on earth would a community member come to any of you when you show such emotion and frustration to the entire process yourselves.

The only thing to do is resign to show CCP that its not accepted by you either.

[b]Well i was in the CRONOS war and i saw it unfold and what CPM members were doing and ive told you but you dont like it and come out with crap, same with other stuff that i have seen on forums or in game actions and you were the 1st to bring up a district i just replied, im honest and once again you come out with more crap

CPM is biased, they abused several game mechanics for there own corp/alliance, they support there own playstyles or even will go as so far to criticize other playstyles such as that fantastic thread from IWS not wanting 'proto tanks' for pathetic reasons yet wont agree to removal of proto AV just one example, you basically disappeared for months, same with jenza after she looted the corp, nova is who, kain is kain and the other 1 i dont even know, that EVE player who didnt do anything for FW either
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Noticed a lot of toxicity in this thread and I'd like to chime in as a neutral party between the two. Thing is, we do need a CPM because when you have thousands of players there are going to be a lot of different voices and not all of them are civil. When you can have six people in a room that, at least loosely correlates to those views than it gets easier to understand and easier to filter out all the garbage you usually see on the forums where people are screaming at one another alphanumerically because of the fact that they disagreed, not that they had something useful to bring up. Which is, unfortunately, exactly what seems to be happening here.

The CPM's role in all this isn't well voiced or communicated and you have to really dig down deep to get the true meaning behind it all because on the surface it does look like something fitting of controversy but it's important to realize that these guys were offered the position(s) because they had gone out of their way to help the community beforehand. A community based website with an IRC embed, a wiki, previous experience with EVE Online and the CSM... There's a bunch of reasons that these guys were selected and it wasn't because they were part of some big time player organization, though that does help because than you can understand the problems of these organized player groups which is what this game thrives on. It's very important to note that when you do something for the community, hearing the community's voice and relaying it usually comes hand-in-hand with that.

It's also important to remember that the players aren't the only ones who are stressed out here. CCP has been working very hard to get this game right and even though there's been a few teeter-totter moments, they've done a good job since Uprising first released. The CPM on the other hand probably has the most stressful job out of everyone solely because they're the middle man and lately they've been getting the **** end of the stick from both sides. This was made evidence by Nova Knife's post here and the general atmosphere that the community brings forth to them, with no more important an example than this thread.

Were the CPM unprofessional in how they handled this situation? Absolutely, but you have to put yourself in their shoes. It's like being the poor waitress who brought an order to a customer and the cook was theone who made the honest mistake - eventually that waitress is going to snap off because, let's face it, no-one enjoys having to put a smile on while you're being yelled at. This isn't to say that CCP is playing the cook here, but there's no reason you should gang up on someone that doesn't deserve it and not expect them to lash back after a while.

Suffice to say what this became is a giant pile of bullshit on both sides. The community incited an argument and got a response, then turned around and chastised them for that response, using it as ammunition against them. Now everyone is forgetting the original issue that started it all, attacking the other side for the sake of it. I think everyone needs to take a step back, consider WHY they're fighting so hard and get to the bottom of what the real issue is. Because if it's solely over whether or not we need a CPM, that's a really stupid reason for the community and the CPM to get into a brawl.