You know, I actually agree with you, to a point. I've said it from the start. There's simply no way a 6-12 person group can provide effective feedback on all topics in an unbiased form. From the beginning, I've advocated that CCP instead make the "CPM" made up of several subgroups, much like ISD teams. These teams could be separated into groups like HAV, dropships, weapons, suits, etc. (You get the idea) and then the teams in question within CCP could poll the related player team without having the other teams stick their noses in and waste everyone's time with uninformed (and usually wrong) opinions.

The "Main CPM" itself could be created by 'electing' leader/representatives from each team.

However....

I do think you're missing the point. The vocal majority of /any/ community on the internet is going to be idiots. This is just a sad truth. No quality feedback, if any can ever really be gathered from these people. The real source of constructive, actionable feedback is the inteligent minority. I will make no claims that myself or my council dudebros are more intelligent than any others in that minority, simply that we're a part of that minority (Except IWS, obv )

People saying "Man, we'll elect people who will do such a better job" are simply looking to vilify without cause. The truth is, no one really knows what we're pushing for, in almost every case where they claim we push only our own agendas. We've love it to death if CCP allowed us to operate with complete transparency, but that is simply not going to happen, because CCP's information overlords need to justify their own jobs and need to micromanage every tidbit of information we release.

I have no doubt in my mind that people chosen by the vocal majority without some method of filter on CCP's part would be far worse than what people falsely believe about CPM0. To this end, I have strongly advocated that during the selection process, the only people who should be eligible for election are people that CCP can look into their past history in the dust community and see a strong contribution. (Ironically enough, people like you, Pyrex, who have made countless tutorial videos) Podcasters, forum warriors, twitter bros, etc.... CCP should be able to look at a candidate and say "Yeah, this person is super dedicated, and they will make a good CPM." Being popular is no justification for being on the CPM. The capacity to remain profressional and forward even perspectives that are in direct opposition to your own are vital. This is the level of trust and maturity required to have a strong council. A level of maturity NOT shown by the vast majority of those on the internet.

So, before you question the people on the council... I'd like to ask you to question what you actually know about what we've been doing these past six months. Then ask yourself if that's really a reason to have misgivings about the council. If you really sit there and analyze what we have done and what CCP has actually done in response... You would realize that if anything, it is CCP that has dropped the ball. The CPM warned them many times by raising red flags prior to something hitting the live builds (Flaylocks, the AFK "fix", the recent point cap hotfix, numerous exploits, etc.) all of which were pretty much ignored.

That said, I will not say that we've been entirely without bias. After all, we're human. Sometimes when a topic of particular interest to one of us comes up, we can get a little over passionate. However, in all cases this has happened... the rest of the council has yanked the leash in a separate channel telling the person to STFU and ease up. You have only my word for this, of course. But rest assured that no single agenda can be pushed without the rest of the council say "Hey, hold on a minute. Look at why this is being said."

Looks like i touched a nerve

No one asked you to do this apart from CCP, you could have said no but it gave you a chance to abuse game mechanics 1st

Also i dont do the above because im not apart of the CPM you dumbass

Give me a vote so i can vote you out, you claim a small minority yet its the majority who dont even know you exist let alone do anything useful and even if it collapses to emptyness then at least it will be an improvement over you since we know it will be useless from the get go and it wont have an ego to fill

This reply from you just proves how useless and up your own arse you are, you do nothing, you fix nothing, you advance nothing, you are nothing except a CCP puppet show making you dance around thinking you are important

You had 1 job to do and you still havnt done it - You can talk when you have actually finished that 1 job

It's a bit more than two thousand, sir. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

And as far as your stance producing a flurry of opinion - it's important to remember that this entire paragraph -

"My 'stance' has produced a flurry of opinion around this topic and dialogue is always good but i still see many people supporting the CPM as an opportunity to become part of some 'Illuminati' club and spoon with CCP. Even without an agenda, this is pretty sad and creates a two tier player base, hence the resentment that has spawned on this matter over the year."

- is also an opinion. One big, giant opinion. That 'resentment' has no basis and not legitimate evidence of it's existence, other than your word. You have not shown stats, votes or general consensus that this is the view of the greater majority. There are no riots taking place in game over this issue and there certainly are not articles regarding it on Eve24 or TheMittani. and what's even more pitiful than your shoddy attempt to dislodge the health of the community for the sake of your own agenda (this is starting to sound like a starburst commercial) is the fact that there is no justifiable reason for doing such beyond petty paranoia. You have YET to bring forth a justifiable reason that we don't need a CPM.

All in all your shenanigans and attempts to sound intellectual, prophetic and dignified are painting a different picture of a player who is appealing to the least common denominator by appealing to gullibility with false claims, with little to no backing and an almost cultish demeanor by trying to say that there is some vast conspiracy between developer and consumer over a ******* video game.

Just as well, if and when those members of the CPM are elected in, it will be solely because the majority of the people you claim to discourage the existence of the CPM, voted for them. So let that sink in for a second because you can't argue it both ways - they're either a conspiracy theory, complete with behind-the-curtains meetings about how to shift the game balance in their favor... or they're discouraging the CPM entirely and are likely not to even bother voting them in. So which is it, because obviously there has to be a majority in one or the other yet you claim that the majority are both.

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... *heads off to find some cough syrup*...