I would love to know what "insider information" you are talking about.

I knew exactly the same as everyone else, this "exploit" or so you call it has been around since corp battles where available. I or even anyone else didnt use it because there was no real reason or benefit until PC.

I still stand by my statement that this was not an exploit but emergent gameplay.

I guess it doesnt help my case that CCP stated that it was not an exploit? And that I told CCP it was too easy and needed to be changed? because these two things are still facts.

And the truth is, people with the right roles can still awox, but its harder to do, which is good. We are not in world of warcraft or my little pony island adventure where things are all hugs and smiles. This is a slimy universe where we do things to get ahead within our personal boundaries of personal morality.

So I ask again; What insider information did I benifit from?

I guess it doesnt help my case that CCP stated that it was not an exploit? And that I told CCP it was too easy and needed to be changed? because these two things are still facts.

And the truth is, people with the right roles can still awox, but its harder to do, which is good. We are not in world of warcraft or my little pony island adventure where things are all hugs and smiles. This is a slimy universe where we do things to get ahead within our personal boundaries of personal morality.

So I ask again; What insider information did I benifit from?

I don't think Dusters are quite prepared for the backstabbing that is Eve Online.

I don't think Dusters are quite prepared for the backstabbing that is Eve Online.

Based on Nullarbor's response to a thread recently complaining about a corp-jack by an EVE player, I don't think CCP cares

I guess it doesnt help my case that CCP stated that it was not an exploit? And that I told CCP it was too easy and needed to be changed? because these two things are still facts.

And the truth is, people with the right roles can still awox, but its harder to do, which is good. We are not in world of warcraft or my little pony island adventure where things are all hugs and smiles. This is a slimy universe where we do things to get ahead within our personal boundaries of personal morality.

So I ask again; What insider information did I benifit from?

While you guys are here, I know it's incredibly off topic but, what happened to rollover sp?

No offense to any particular member of the CPM, but I don't believe that they can really represent the players, having not been elected.

When can we see elections so we can get a representative CPM, rather than a selected one?

Why is it that I can directly twitter no less than 3 CPMs, 4 devs and send multiple forum posts about subjects that I feel are needing attention and it takes 2 months for anyone to get back to me with any information but in the span of 2-3 days you yourself have responded to my criticism no less than 3 times?

I'mma chalk that up to the fact that twitter is terrible and it's very hard to convey a lot of information in the character limits provided by the service. If you want real results, use Skype ^_^

I was actually installing skype as I was writing that post, and think it may resolve some of the communication issues I have been having. On the other hand just because I call someone doesn't mean they need to or will pick up at the other end or will say anything other than I'll get back to you on that.

Best not to call. Calling is sort of a 'formal' action when it comes to Skype - usually reserved for Podcasts, interviews, CSM/CPM meetings and the like. A simple message works just fine ^_^

While you're on Skype, talk to Hans about getting in on the Dustscussions: Vehicle Rebalance and Faction Warfare, talk about your ideas with the rest of the Dusters who use Skype! We don't bite that often =P

I would but I still have yet to receive contact permission yet.

In this thread a CPM decided to wade in, telling the plebs that their estimates were 'bad' as they hadn't taken into account dispersion (because we're just plebs and haven't seen the weapons in action). Then another CPM came in and told us that the numbers we were using were out of date anyway. Textbook example of the antagonistic and hierarchical relationship between the CPM and the general playerbase. I don't even blame the current CPMs; it's just the nature of a role that places a select few above us mere immortals.

Jenza I was in the PC battle you awoxed Hellstorm in and watched Kujo teamkill you, as stated in my post it was something everyone knew about and if the problem would have been resolved by just talking to CCP and telling them that this needs to be done first, which we all did during CB, and had CCP listened rather than constantly leaving it till the majority of the game starts complaining about it on the forums we would have had roles 6 months sooner.

I'm not saying we didn't know about it (we being the CB and OB vets) but when it results in creating a situation where one group of individuals who are supposed to be in an advisory position to the devs, takes over a good portion of "Player Owned Space" through this kind of tactic as well as having some actually really good players it make many of us wonder just how many of the known exploits (to you and other CPM members) are going to be used against the rest of the players.

You can't deny you did it all you can deny is that it was unknown. Which I agree, was a widely know exploit that CCP said Soon TM rather than ok we see the issue it will be out in a Hot Fix like so many other things have been fixed (AR ROF for one). This line of communication needs to be clear and if the CPM and CCP can't agree on who what and how then maybe you shouldn't be representing players, maybe you should be sitting in front of your console in a new toon just to see what its like getting Proto killed by your own corp or Nyan Cyan or so many of the other corps running nothing but proto gear in all pub matches because they can afford to with PC districts giving them a constant flow of isk.

I still want that charter or you may as well just call the CPM a Dev Pet Club, no offense intended but at least if an idiot gets elected to a seat at the table, when elections come again we can vote him or her out, you guys have a job to do and I realize the ball is in CCPs court but maybe it takes two to argue and the CPM is partly to blame as well for not having a document that everyone can agree upon.

In this thread a CPM decided to wade in, telling the plebs that their estimates were 'bad' as they hadn't taken into account dispersion (because we're just plebs and haven't seen the weapons in action). Then another CPM came in and told us that the numbers we were using were out of date anyway. Textbook example of the antagonistic and hierarchical relationship between the CPM and the general playerbase. I don't even blame the current CPMs; it's just the nature of a role that places a select few above us mere immortals.

I remember two months before that patch a player decided to write a short story about how awoxing would work, even went to as far as to saying the hostile squad was committing suicide to burn clones.

Props on that guy for figuring the system out early.

I was the second CPM in that thread ;) You'll notice that I also told the first CPM in the thread (IWS) to STFU. The dude means well, but he's the worst person imaginable to have trying to explain /anything/ in a way that isn't going to tick people off.

If anything was "antagonistic" about my post, it was towards IWS being a complete spazz, and not towards my fellow players.

You'll also noticed that I posted twice in that thread. Once noting my dismay at IWS' diplomatic failings, and the second time noting my complete disappointment in CCP for failing to make public the fact they even /changed/ the stats of the new weapons and vehicles (apparently) in response to the feedback on the public forums. (Which the CPM still hasn't even seen either, yet)

Jenza took it upon herself to urinate in everyone else's cornflakes involved in PC and I must admit that the tactic to garner CCP attention to the problem worked, they added roles. This is a case of communication both ways and one party not realizing how significant a given issue is and saying no. Will having the Charter in place and active prevent this from happening? I certainly hope so.

Jenza, Thank-you.

Just get rid of the CPM, ccp can poll the true fan base via vote

Though this CPM was appointed, rather than elected, it fared incredibly well, despite the poor state of the game.


Although at first, the CPM didn't seem to get much done, they are all active members of the community, and have helped the game a great deal. Although they sometimes have their mouths sewn shut with contracts, they help inform us as much as possible.


In fact, this CPM has actually made me re-think some things, and could perhaps be used to improve the CSM.



As I said earlier, this CPM was appointed, not elected. This turned out... not as bad as I thought it would be. The CSM is filled with alliances basically buying votes, favoritism, and politics. There was surprisingly little of that here.

This is a bit of a radical idea, but perhaps the next CSM and CPM should be HALF elected, and HALF appointed by CCP. Enough that the big alliances can have their voice, yet also have some members of the council not have had to resort to votemongering and favoritism. Often those who will seek power the most, are those least fit to lead.

[quote=Takahiro Kashuken]all they will do is push there own agenda for the corp/alliance they are in and for the weapons/dropsuits they use

You had 1 job to do and you still havnt done it