Taken from the first page of the Eve Online: The Second Decade hard-cover book.

Barnett:
"CCP talk of expansion packs and add-ons but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think we will ever see such a thing as a first-person option in the future, despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?"

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."


Ten years later we're hearing the same exact things from the Dust 514 guys.

Wow, spooky. I guess the impossible just may be possible. Yay.

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."

Post it to the front page, go for it. Somebody will just post the historical subscription counts in response. Eve has grown consistently for 10 years says CCP. Dust however has no subscriptions because it's f2p, so you're pretty much stuck with looking at players online, which has unfortunately been going consistently down.

I love Dust, don't get me wrong. But at some point you have to step back and realize that you're playing with the same couple hundred players every time you play.

Post it to the front page, go for it. Somebody will just post the historical subscription counts in response. Eve has grown consistently for 10 years says CCP. Dust however has no subscriptions because it's f2p, so you're pretty much stuck with looking at players online, which has unfortunately been going consistently down.

I love Dust, don't get me wrong. But at some point you have to step back and realize that you're playing with the same couple hundred players every time you play.

If, by consistently going down you mean "Ever since a ton of media outlets and reviewers got on to try the game out" - we've had the same consistent number of players as we did in Beta.

By consistently down I mean consistently down. Tell yourself whatever you want, then look at the actual statistics for the past year. Or don't, I don't really care, but just how many thousands of those players exactly were "media outlets and reviewers"?

For now...

1. That CCP still have not implemented first person mode for EVE, and by proxy still haven't implemented a ton of the stuff they had planned ten years ago.

2. The player base is rather stupid.

Also bear in mind that was right around the time the Caldari Prime event occurred and more players would have been active for that event.

I've been playing since June 2012 and I can say that the player count hasn't gone anywhere since then and that can be confirmed both by the CPM and CCP.

If, by consistently going down you mean "Ever since a ton of media outlets and reviewers got on to try the game out" - we've had the same consistent number of players as we did in Beta.

CCP was working on a project called Ambulation or Walking in Station for EVE, dealing with players being able to walk around outside of their ships. That project wasn't Dust, and that project got more or less scrapped and turned into walking around in your Captain's Quarters and never interacting with others in that manner.

Taken from the first page of the Eve Online: The Second Decade hard-cover book.

Barnett:
"CCP talk of expansion packs and add-ons but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think we will ever see such a thing as a first-person option in the future, despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?"

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."


Ten years later we're hearing the same exact things from the Dust 514 guys.

Exactly, just empty promises. I dont even know why they take away "beta" brand. Game is still like beta, it defo not a full release. No flow in gameplay - like in trailers, No proxy, No quality servers, Low quality graphics,Terible mechanicks, Horible bugs, No proper MOVE optimilisation etc. etc.
Just broken promises.

Edit: Ambulation was set to be really awesome, a lot of players still have hopes for something along those lines to be implemented. There were supposed to be player owned stores in the stations, gambling halls, stuff like that. Maybe it will come in the future, it's on PCs so they don't have to worry about their platform disappearing anytime soon.

CCP was working on a project called Ambulation or Walking in Station for EVE, dealing with players being able to walk around outside of their ships. That project wasn't Dust, and that project got more or less scrapped and turned into walking around in your Captain's Quarters and never interacting with others in that manner.

Edit: Ambulation was set to be really awesome, a lot of players still have hopes for something along those lines to be implemented. There were supposed to be player owned stores in the stations, gambling halls, stuff like that. Maybe it will come in the future, it's on PCs so they don't have to worry about their platform disappearing anytime soon.

I want something like this, where EVE players and Dust players are all walking around in these stations together, have access to the same player owned stores, gambling halls, and stuff. That would be big in growing a sense of community as well as making Dust really stand out and be all, "Yeah, I'm an MMO. Deal with it."

Would rather they fix the prominent issues first.

Taken from the first page of the Eve Online: The Second Decade hard-cover book.

Barnett:
"CCP talk of expansion packs and add-ons but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think we will ever see such a thing as a first-person option in the future, despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?"

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."


Ten years later we're hearing the same exact things from the Dust 514 guys.

Post it to the front page, go for it. Somebody will just post the historical subscription counts in response. Eve has grown consistently for 10 years says CCP. Dust however has no subscriptions because it's f2p, so you're pretty much stuck with looking at players online, which has unfortunately been going consistently down.

I love Dust, don't get me wrong. But at some point you have to step back and realize that you're playing with the same couple hundred players every time you play.

This game just needs some time, like EVE Online did.

I have full confidence in CCP

S'why we keep telling you guys to be patient ^_-

Maybe if the same guys complaining about low playerbase didnt protostomp so much in pubmatches, new players would stay longer.

And what are these "prominent issues?" Maybe we're playing a different game, but from the last few months the game I've been playing has been more than acceptable gameplay wise.

EDIT: At least good enough to look at expanding the scope of the game. There are always going to be "issues" that exists, at some point you have to stop and say "Our game is good enough right now to at least shift a fraction of our focus to expansion."

Okay, it's natural to be frustrated at the players who pub stomp. BUT! Don't blame the players. Blame the people who created the infrastructure to allow people to do so.

It's CCPs inexperience and lack of foresight (lack of the ability to see the obvious) that allowed 20-30 mil SP PC vets to play on the same field as 1200wp lolAcademy graduates.

The game CCP envisioned, will be made by others... there are two competitors who will make very cool games that have shittons more immersion than eve ever will have.

One of those is crowdfunded, and has collected 23 million dollars already. This project has more immersion running around a virtual hangar than Dust514 has in their "finished" game.

Progress is something that needs to be made and not only talked about.

This game might not be dead, but it's not delivering any of the promised content to keep players interested...

Exactly, just empty promises. I dont even know why they take away "beta" brand. Game is still like beta, it defo not a full release. No flow in gameplay - like in trailers, No proxy, No quality servers, Low quality graphics,Terible mechanicks, Horible bugs, No proper MOVE optimilisation etc. etc.
Just broken promises.

Taken from the first page of the Eve Online: The Second Decade hard-cover book.

Barnett:
"CCP talk of expansion packs and add-ons but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think we will ever see such a thing as a first-person option in the future, despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?"

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."


Ten years later we're hearing the same exact things from the Dust 514 guys.

Been referencing this from the start. People need to keep in mind that EVE didn't start out even remotely comparable to what it is today.

Different division of the studio or not, this is still the company that took an obscure, hard to play MMO and made it into the "World's largest game universe".

They took a game no one ever heard of up to the point where everyone speculates about new MMOs being "EVE killers" the same way they used to about "WoW killers".

Now ask me again why I'm not saying this game is doomed.

Been referencing this from the start. People need to keep in mind that EVE didn't start out even remotely comparable to what it is today.

Different division of the studio or not, this is still the company that took an obscure, hard to play MMO and made it into the "World's largest game universe".

They took a game no one ever heard of up to the point where everyone speculates about new MMOs being "EVE killers" the same way they used to about "WoW killers".

Now ask me again why I'm not saying this game is doomed.

Taken from the first page of the Eve Online: The Second Decade hard-cover book.

Barnett:
"CCP talk of expansion packs and add-ons but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think we will ever see such a thing as a first-person option in the future, despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?"

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."


Ten years later we're hearing the same exact things from the Dust 514 guys.

You have to take into consideration that this is 2013 and Dust isn't a niche game like EVE was back then. There's trillions of shooters out there. This kind of quality we're seeing? Can't sustain that. Gotta step up the game.

Attract players
One of the most unique qualities of Dust is it's connection to a whole other game.
Where an average 50,000 players await, advertise.
Improve what the players were attracted too
I don't know if it would be possible but voice connectivity would be cool with EVE.
Strengthen their battle involvement. Currently in FW when you call down a OB you might get a special one if a friend is in the sky.
In Dust and EVE they don't really know or realize they have friends- or rather 'useful' friends on the ground. Bring back the warbarge and have it show whos out there. Names, their ship, their race, what kind of OBs do they have? But also make sure that the pilots know us too. Let them know that we can support them. And also possibly destroy them. Introduce those giant LaZor beams of D3ATH that can affect players in EVE. Give requests to strike a ship in EVE.
Define and point out what they were attracted to
Currently most of the playerbase probably doesn't realize the difference between Public Matches and Factional Warfare.
Make sure players know that FW has an actual affect in both systems. Also make FW stand out. That you should play FW not just for role play or other people. Possibly make a notable difference in the reward system.
Polish
Maybe add a couple feature here and there that have to do with connectivity but make sure the player knows they exist.
Add
One feature that would be awesome is for mercs to be able to join in game battles of EVE. You don't have give us windows to look out side. Just start out with a titan with clone packs on board or a boarding party. Don't take this seriously at all just yet.

Connectivity should be one of the things that defines dust the most. As a game that connects to players that aren't just doing the same thing you do. Something that is obviously connected, has impact on 2 types of players and 1 universe of characters, and gives you even emotions such as anger that most games don't dare aim for, yet give you sense of freedom of being an actual person in a fantasy world, and addiction which is how I feel about dust and I'm sure many more will if connectivity becomes the goal.

Dust and EVE are just titles. We all play in New Eden.

Dust 514 is already pretty niche.

Not atm. Right now it's a 16v16 lobby shooter.

Yeah it's connected to EVE but big deal. How does that affect anyone? We get to see super special orbitals in PC!

The concept of the game is niche, the execution is a sub par lobby shooter. Maybe in a couple years DUST might stand out...in a good way.

Well its up to CCP to keep working towards it then, they owe us that much.

Well its up to CCP to keep working towards it then, they owe us that much.

I don't know if it would be possible but voice connectivity would be cool with EVE.

Well its up to CCP to keep working towards it then, they owe us that much.

DUST ain't a PC game.

Post it to the front page, go for it. Somebody will just post the historical subscription counts in response. Eve has grown consistently for 10 years says CCP. Dust however has no subscriptions because it's f2p, so you're pretty much stuck with looking at players online, which has unfortunately been going consistently down.

I love Dust, don't get me wrong. But at some point you have to step back and realize that you're playing with the same couple hundred players every time you play.

A PS3 game that gets decent in 2014 is a game no one cares about.

This game will need to rerelease on PS4 whenever they can produce a quality title with the data they get from whomever remains playing this things after most of us migrate to the PS4.

Hopefully when they get the second kick at the can, they do a better job of it.

Don't let the EVE numbers fool you, some people have 10-15 alts and most have two.

You live in quite the fantasy world. If you take off those rose-tinted glasses for a moment and re-evaluate these features you're praising you'll see that these features are mostly just numbers going from one server to another to give an illusion of involvement from mercs/pilots. The reality is that Eve and Dust are two seperate cardboard boxes with similar paintjobs.

The involvement between the two games is essentially a glorified version of Battleship.

There is still hope!!

You live in the same fantasy world if you play the game and not just complain about it.

However, perhaps you didn't notice that the idea was that we'd be given more ability to interact... as a stepping stone towards more meaningful interactions? We can't expect massive meaningful interactions up front -- at least not if we expect to avoid breaking both games in the process.

I'd like to see market interactions -- perhaps allow dust players to explicitly link to their eve account and transfer goods from one game to the other. This would let us use the EVE market without having to do much of the hard lifting of integrating a dust market into the eve market directly. Maybe also dreaming.

However, I'll tell you something. It's easy to crap on other people's ideas. How about coming up with better ones?

The game CCP envisioned, will be made by others...

A PS3 game that gets decent in 2014 is a game no one cares about.

This game will need to rerelease on PS4 whenever they can produce a quality title with the data they get from whomever remains playing this things after most of us migrate to the PS4.

Hopefully when they get the second kick at the can, they do a better job of it.

^This!

And add to the fact that it was stated at EVE Vegas that CCP's development for Dust 514 on PS3 is "laser focused".

At this point,I honestly feel like we will never see this game on PS4,or even PC.

PS4 doesn't really have any worthwhile titles, imo.

Destiny is a game that is level focused so "playing with your friends" is going to involve you getting to the same level as them, in which point they're going to start a new character and repeat the process.

Planetside 2 is cool and all but it's one of those "why" games - awesome feature, having a massive open world where you can fight along hundreds of people... but for what, exactly? Fighting for the sake of fighting with little benefit beyond having more resources to call in vehicles that have a twenty minute timer.

Warframe is a very cool game that I've played on the PC but good luck finding any sense of purpose as it has the exact same "why" reason as above - fighting for the sake of getting better gear...... to fight with.

This isn't to say those games aren't going to be immensely popular but the substance is rather lacking in all of them. It takes the same aspect of almost all burn-out games: The Skinner Box

The reason that people keep playing Eve Online isn't because it's some sci-niche game, hell Perpetuum Online took the -exact- same skill system and player-based economy, threw it into a mech game and this is probably the first time you've ever even heard of it.

Yes, the market moves fast. Yes, a large amount of players are probably going to move on when the PS4 comes out - but Eve Online (and presumably Dust 514) has this weird way of drawing you back in later on because they're constantly releasing updates and content. The really stupid system you hate in the game might not be there a few months from now, the content you've been waiting on might be. There aren't any other games that really do that.

Sure, Planetside 2 has their road-map and content updates but it's not exactly doing the game much justice when it's literally "take pre-determined territory, move pre-determined frontline forward/backward a bit, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill". There aren't interesting ways of accomplishing tasks or creative methods of establishing social networks that can backstab one another because it's all pre-determined. You have an outfit, sure, but you're never going to leave the New Conglomerate or whoever it is you're fighting for. You will -ALWAYS- be moving that frontline against Red and Purple, there's no way to completely conquer your opposition.

Like really?! Boyo in PS2 you fight for Planet Auraxis, its normal fact. There is nothing like "you dont know why". You must basicaly take whole three continents. There is the way, you pushing them back till you take their stargate. Its similar system like with PC, but in realtime, really massive and with time cycle day/night.

Planetside 2 is just fighting. Nothing else. Pretty lighting systems and a lot of players don't make it any more engaging six months down the line. Fighting for the sake of getting better gear to fight with for the sake of getting better gear to fight with...

Well, that's exactly what Dust514 is all about...

In the end it's all about improving your loadout and stomping weaker players... boring...

If CCP isn't improving the BATTLE experience, this game will stay the meaningless grind ist is right now.

The FW changes are nothing than a diversification of the grind, they give us nothing new BATTLE wise.

CCP obviously hasn't even the resources to give us all the suits and weapons they promised... laughable...

Interest in grinding seems to be something that interests EVE players, I doubt that console players like that.

Console customers seem to be interested in shiny stuff, like good looks and new stuff to explore... not in this game me thinks...

I'd say that a lot of players would prefer isk payout and shiny suits (faction colored) to faction stuff they can't use bacause of skills...

Whatever...

By consistently down I mean consistently down. Tell yourself whatever you want, then look at the actual statistics for the past year. Or don't, I don't really care, but just how many thousands of those players exactly were "media outlets and reviewers"?

Well, that's exactly what Dust514 is all about...

In the end it's all about improving your loadout and stomping weaker players... boring...

If CCP isn't improving the BATTLE experience, this game will stay the meaningless grind ist is right now.

The FW changes are nothing than a diversification of the grind, they give us nothing new BATTLE wise.

CCP obviously hasn't even the resources to give us all the suits and weapons they promised... laughable...

Interest in grinding seems to be something that interests EVE players, I doubt that console players like that.

Console customers seem to be interested in shiny stuff, like good looks and new stuff to explore... not in this game me thinks...

I'd say that a lot of players would prefer isk payout and shiny suits (faction colored) to faction stuff they can't use bacause of skills...

Whatever...

Taken from the first page of the Eve Online: The Second Decade hard-cover book.

Barnett:
"CCP talk of expansion packs and add-ons but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think we will ever see such a thing as a first-person option in the future, despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?"

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."


Ten years later we're hearing the same exact things from the Dust 514 guys.

It's a shame you're not in a Planetary Conquest capable corporation, you'd get to see a glimpse at what this game has to offer.

I've been in PC battles (with an alt char) so I do know that PC isn't any better, except maybe for the social aspect (running with a full team).

Apart from that it's exactly the same game (skirmish) so nothing to write home about.

I probybly just expected to get more immersion and EVE Dust connection, after I read all the promises CCP made...

I'm fairly sure the new PC in null sec will finally give dust players what they are looking for. And an army of useless dusters for us vets to feed off as the eve alliances desperately try and hold onto their space.

We are hord that noone is paying attention too except possible the goons lol

Also bear in mind that was right around the time the Caldari Prime event occurred and more players would have been active for that event.

I've been playing since June 2012 and I can say that the player count hasn't gone anywhere since then and that can be confirmed both by the CPM and CCP.

So basically you are saying we have about the same player count as we had back when the game was in a closed beta. In other words, the current player count when the game is open access to all is the same as when it was closed to but a few of us. That is not a healthy sign at all. The player count should always be higher when a game becomes open than when it is closed. Don't forget, EVE is a pc game. Dust is a console game not to mention on a console that some folks will completely abandon once ps4 comes out. Comparing this game to Eve is like comparing apples to oranges.

If you're looking at it on the battlefield you're not looking at it as a whole. Any game that involves PVP is fighting, but you're deflecting the fact that I mention social networking - forming alliances, waging wars; all of which is done by the player's hands without a stage set by a developer.

Boots up PS2
Clicks instant action
"Error Cannot use Instant Action Now. No battles found" and this was during an alert.
Exo-wargate population less than 10. Warpgate population 50ish.
Whatever killed my server is beginning to kill the other servers as similar complaints are beginning to crop up on the more populated ones.

Boots up PS2
Clicks instant action
"Error Cannot use Instant Action Now. No battles found" and this was during an alert.
Exo-wargate population less than 10. Warpgate population 50ish.
Whatever killed my server is beginning to kill the other servers as similar complaints are beginning to crop up on the more populated ones.

I saw a live feed of PS2 on twitch once before. I think it went like the guy and 50 others trying to snipe the other team with rifles from 100m away... and nobody was dieing.

I tried PS2 a while back and my experience was crowded into a small room with force fields on the doors with 15 others shooting at the camping enemies behind the walls.

Yeh, s'what happens when they take the entire complex save for your team's one little spawn location and that's entirely by design, there's no emmergent gameplay going on right there. That wasn't something the players just up and decided to do one day and it became common practice, it's just how the game works.

It's -SUPPOSED- to give your team an opportunity to turn things around but I guess SOE thought that the players on the opposing team would be nice and give them the chance to get out or something.

Well my patience meter has been fully recharged lol.

Post it to the front page, go for it. Somebody will just post the historical subscription counts in response. Eve has grown consistently for 10 years says CCP. Dust however has no subscriptions because it's f2p, so you're pretty much stuck with looking at players online, which has unfortunately been going consistently down.

I love Dust, don't get me wrong. But at some point you have to step back and realize that you're playing with the same couple hundred players every time you play.

Not from what I've been tracking on avg peak has 100 more people every week

Does it mean that Dust is not gonna be worth playing for another 5 years?

But not the same beta players that for sure. Still play every once in a while, for only one match. But I've been here long enough to see many of em go.

Taken from the first page of the Eve Online: The Second Decade hard-cover book.

Barnett:
"CCP talk of expansion packs and add-ons but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think we will ever see such a thing as a first-person option in the future, despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?"

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."


Ten years later we're hearing the same exact things from the Dust 514 guys.

While I do appreciate what you are saying and I certainly do hope Dust sticks around for the long haul, as I've invested quite a bit of time and money into this game, it is hubris to expect that just because CCP was able to pull off what it has with Eve that a similar development model will work with Dust. Eve is a niche title with little competition, a big fish in a small pond if you will. Dust is a guppy in an ocean full of sharks. Like I said, I hope we are looking back at this game 10 years from now and reminiscing about how much it has changed and improved, I just don't think it is a given because they did it with Eve.

Wasn't aware there were any FPS games with persistent territory, insane customization (fitting) and an actual drive behind the social aspect and not just Team A vs Team B. Planetside 2 comes close but there's not much in the way of the social aspect, you can't backstab one another or the like.

Taken from the first page of the Eve Online: The Second Decade hard-cover book.

Barnett:
"CCP talk of expansion packs and add-ons but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think we will ever see such a thing as a first-person option in the future, despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?"

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."


Ten years later we're hearing the same exact things from the Dust 514 guys.

Most folks that play FPS do not care about persistent territory. Case in point: At the time of this post there are 352 dust players online and 23,000 plus BF3 players online and that is just for the PS3. Dust has a wonderful concept. That is what brought it to most to our attention. I do not wish to see the game fail or die, but I am a realist. The game is just not very good at the moment and has become boring. Unless you are in a PC battle, the pub games are a snooze fest which makes them no different than Cod or BF or any other shooter out there.

2308 dust players on. bf has downtime also, look at how fast their numbers come back after downtime compared to dust. quit fooling yourself. We are what we are. A niche fan base. There is not many of us that play this game. If you believe otherwise, then you are being delusional.

2308 dust players on. bf has downtime also, look at how fast their numbers come back after downtime compared to dust. quit fooling yourself. We are what we are. A niche fan base. There is not many of us that play this game. If you believe otherwise, then you are being delusional.

/me snorts, trying not to laugh

Oh, right... PS3... Thought we were imagining that player-owned servers on the PC had downtimes or something...

Continue on.

I'm not saying there are as many as other established games. I'm just laughing at how you pulled a number 3 minutes after downtime for a niche game.

I feel that Dust will carry on, and it will grow, and it will shrink, but over time, I see how it might have the same potential that could make it part of the EVE universe.

But judging by your pessimistic attitude and word usage to isolate Dust 514 into the circular filing bin in your mind, then I have only one thing to say to you:

Battlefield is that way ------------------------------------>

Keep drinking the kool-aid fanboy. You obviously seem to believe in your mind that this game is every bit as popular as other games when it is not.

Wasn't aware there were any FPS games with persistent territory, insane customization (fitting) and an actual drive behind the social aspect and not just Team A vs Team B. Planetside 2 comes close but there's not much in the way of the social aspect, you can't backstab one another or the like.

All the things you mention are what drew me to Dust when I usually avoid multiplayer FPS. Unfortunately we have a lobby shooter right now and a development cycle that is not bringing us closer to the MMO and meta parts of this game while at the same time other console games are adding some of what I first heard of and we don't have commander mode in Battlefield 4 and persistence (even if its a different sort of game seemingly) in Destiny.