Well its up to CCP to keep working towards it then, they owe us that much.

DUST ain't a PC game.

Post it to the front page, go for it. Somebody will just post the historical subscription counts in response. Eve has grown consistently for 10 years says CCP. Dust however has no subscriptions because it's f2p, so you're pretty much stuck with looking at players online, which has unfortunately been going consistently down.

I love Dust, don't get me wrong. But at some point you have to step back and realize that you're playing with the same couple hundred players every time you play.

A PS3 game that gets decent in 2014 is a game no one cares about.

This game will need to rerelease on PS4 whenever they can produce a quality title with the data they get from whomever remains playing this things after most of us migrate to the PS4.

Hopefully when they get the second kick at the can, they do a better job of it.

Don't let the EVE numbers fool you, some people have 10-15 alts and most have two.

You live in quite the fantasy world. If you take off those rose-tinted glasses for a moment and re-evaluate these features you're praising you'll see that these features are mostly just numbers going from one server to another to give an illusion of involvement from mercs/pilots. The reality is that Eve and Dust are two seperate cardboard boxes with similar paintjobs.

The involvement between the two games is essentially a glorified version of Battleship.

There is still hope!!

You live in the same fantasy world if you play the game and not just complain about it.

However, perhaps you didn't notice that the idea was that we'd be given more ability to interact... as a stepping stone towards more meaningful interactions? We can't expect massive meaningful interactions up front -- at least not if we expect to avoid breaking both games in the process.

I'd like to see market interactions -- perhaps allow dust players to explicitly link to their eve account and transfer goods from one game to the other. This would let us use the EVE market without having to do much of the hard lifting of integrating a dust market into the eve market directly. Maybe also dreaming.

However, I'll tell you something. It's easy to crap on other people's ideas. How about coming up with better ones?

The game CCP envisioned, will be made by others...

A PS3 game that gets decent in 2014 is a game no one cares about.

This game will need to rerelease on PS4 whenever they can produce a quality title with the data they get from whomever remains playing this things after most of us migrate to the PS4.

Hopefully when they get the second kick at the can, they do a better job of it.

^This!

And add to the fact that it was stated at EVE Vegas that CCP's development for Dust 514 on PS3 is "laser focused".

At this point,I honestly feel like we will never see this game on PS4,or even PC.

PS4 doesn't really have any worthwhile titles, imo.

Destiny is a game that is level focused so "playing with your friends" is going to involve you getting to the same level as them, in which point they're going to start a new character and repeat the process.

Planetside 2 is cool and all but it's one of those "why" games - awesome feature, having a massive open world where you can fight along hundreds of people... but for what, exactly? Fighting for the sake of fighting with little benefit beyond having more resources to call in vehicles that have a twenty minute timer.

Warframe is a very cool game that I've played on the PC but good luck finding any sense of purpose as it has the exact same "why" reason as above - fighting for the sake of getting better gear...... to fight with.

This isn't to say those games aren't going to be immensely popular but the substance is rather lacking in all of them. It takes the same aspect of almost all burn-out games: The Skinner Box

The reason that people keep playing Eve Online isn't because it's some sci-niche game, hell Perpetuum Online took the -exact- same skill system and player-based economy, threw it into a mech game and this is probably the first time you've ever even heard of it.

Yes, the market moves fast. Yes, a large amount of players are probably going to move on when the PS4 comes out - but Eve Online (and presumably Dust 514) has this weird way of drawing you back in later on because they're constantly releasing updates and content. The really stupid system you hate in the game might not be there a few months from now, the content you've been waiting on might be. There aren't any other games that really do that.

Sure, Planetside 2 has their road-map and content updates but it's not exactly doing the game much justice when it's literally "take pre-determined territory, move pre-determined frontline forward/backward a bit, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill". There aren't interesting ways of accomplishing tasks or creative methods of establishing social networks that can backstab one another because it's all pre-determined. You have an outfit, sure, but you're never going to leave the New Conglomerate or whoever it is you're fighting for. You will -ALWAYS- be moving that frontline against Red and Purple, there's no way to completely conquer your opposition.

Like really?! Boyo in PS2 you fight for Planet Auraxis, its normal fact. There is nothing like "you dont know why". You must basicaly take whole three continents. There is the way, you pushing them back till you take their stargate. Its similar system like with PC, but in realtime, really massive and with time cycle day/night.

Planetside 2 is just fighting. Nothing else. Pretty lighting systems and a lot of players don't make it any more engaging six months down the line. Fighting for the sake of getting better gear to fight with for the sake of getting better gear to fight with...

Well, that's exactly what Dust514 is all about...

In the end it's all about improving your loadout and stomping weaker players... boring...

If CCP isn't improving the BATTLE experience, this game will stay the meaningless grind ist is right now.

The FW changes are nothing than a diversification of the grind, they give us nothing new BATTLE wise.

CCP obviously hasn't even the resources to give us all the suits and weapons they promised... laughable...

Interest in grinding seems to be something that interests EVE players, I doubt that console players like that.

Console customers seem to be interested in shiny stuff, like good looks and new stuff to explore... not in this game me thinks...

I'd say that a lot of players would prefer isk payout and shiny suits (faction colored) to faction stuff they can't use bacause of skills...

Whatever...

By consistently down I mean consistently down. Tell yourself whatever you want, then look at the actual statistics for the past year. Or don't, I don't really care, but just how many thousands of those players exactly were "media outlets and reviewers"?

Well, that's exactly what Dust514 is all about...

In the end it's all about improving your loadout and stomping weaker players... boring...

If CCP isn't improving the BATTLE experience, this game will stay the meaningless grind ist is right now.

The FW changes are nothing than a diversification of the grind, they give us nothing new BATTLE wise.

CCP obviously hasn't even the resources to give us all the suits and weapons they promised... laughable...

Interest in grinding seems to be something that interests EVE players, I doubt that console players like that.

Console customers seem to be interested in shiny stuff, like good looks and new stuff to explore... not in this game me thinks...

I'd say that a lot of players would prefer isk payout and shiny suits (faction colored) to faction stuff they can't use bacause of skills...

Whatever...

Taken from the first page of the Eve Online: The Second Decade hard-cover book.

Barnett:
"CCP talk of expansion packs and add-ons but if they can't even introduce many features that were promised from release do we think we will ever see such a thing as a first-person option in the future, despite the fact the developers once said in a CSM that this was on the agenda?"

Elan Dochin:
"The game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words."


Ten years later we're hearing the same exact things from the Dust 514 guys.

It's a shame you're not in a Planetary Conquest capable corporation, you'd get to see a glimpse at what this game has to offer.

I've been in PC battles (with an alt char) so I do know that PC isn't any better, except maybe for the social aspect (running with a full team).

Apart from that it's exactly the same game (skirmish) so nothing to write home about.

I probybly just expected to get more immersion and EVE Dust connection, after I read all the promises CCP made...

I'm fairly sure the new PC in null sec will finally give dust players what they are looking for. And an army of useless dusters for us vets to feed off as the eve alliances desperately try and hold onto their space.

We are hord that noone is paying attention too except possible the goons lol

Also bear in mind that was right around the time the Caldari Prime event occurred and more players would have been active for that event.

I've been playing since June 2012 and I can say that the player count hasn't gone anywhere since then and that can be confirmed both by the CPM and CCP.

So basically you are saying we have about the same player count as we had back when the game was in a closed beta. In other words, the current player count when the game is open access to all is the same as when it was closed to but a few of us. That is not a healthy sign at all. The player count should always be higher when a game becomes open than when it is closed. Don't forget, EVE is a pc game. Dust is a console game not to mention on a console that some folks will completely abandon once ps4 comes out. Comparing this game to Eve is like comparing apples to oranges.

If you're looking at it on the battlefield you're not looking at it as a whole. Any game that involves PVP is fighting, but you're deflecting the fact that I mention social networking - forming alliances, waging wars; all of which is done by the player's hands without a stage set by a developer.

Boots up PS2
Clicks instant action
"Error Cannot use Instant Action Now. No battles found" and this was during an alert.
Exo-wargate population less than 10. Warpgate population 50ish.
Whatever killed my server is beginning to kill the other servers as similar complaints are beginning to crop up on the more populated ones.