ANOTHER mass driver thread -_- It's people like YOU that ruin these forums. And for the third time, i will post the same thing that i have in other threads- IF YOU CANNOT BEAT IT THEN DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. just find a DIFFERENT, BETTER WAY to kill them/ get an advantage.

Let's lock the assault rifle trigger at cqc and long distance as well to make it truly balanced
Fk out of here.

Idea from RydogV in another mass driver *****-a-thon thread:



Basically the MD round won't "explode" within the minimum distance and will only deal direct damage to someone if the round hits them. Seems like an idea that should have been in the game already.

I'd say the minimum distance should be 5 meters since that's the highest blast radius of the weapon but perhaps it could be even further. What do you all think?

terrible idea. if you nerf the md, then the ar is the only ranged weapon. stop crying about md's and start crying about that extra ******* skill that every ar user gets

terrible idea. if you nerf the md, then the ar is the only ranged weapon. stop crying about md's and start crying about that extra ******* skill that every ar user gets

That was not a suggestion that the MD only shoots 5 meters and does not explode if that's what you're thinking.

The MD would perform exactly as it does now except that the round won't explode unless it's passed 5 meters. Within that 5 meters it will only deal direct damage if it hits someone.

This. Atm, the mass driver is not just a suppression weapon, it's also a CQC weapon as well as an area denial weapon. It fills all those roles too well and given the fact that it doesn't require much skill to aim at someone's feet and get the same results as the skilled players who are getting direct hits, the MD needs some tweaks.

The tweak to minimum range would remove it's ability in CQC (which is why you equip an SMG as a sidearm) and if you don't have a sidearm slot then you better be packing buddies who can keep you alive in close quarters.

Tl;dr - The mass driver should be a situational area denial weapon, not an explosive assault rifle with five meters splash radius.

Again its been the same since 1.1. We are in 1.3 nobody complained now they complain about it because more people use it now? That's pathetic. It's fine where it is. It has risk using it in cqc. You want to remove that and make have to rely on a side arm close up? ....ha yet the assault rifle can hip fire super good?

Considering that resistances aren't taken into account with splash damage (only direct) it's actually doing about 30% less damage to armor. When that bug gets fixed it's going to skyrocket both in power and use.

But seriously though, the MD has not been the same since 1.1, it got a buff in 1.2 and now it's fotm because it's better than it should be.

And to counter the point you will inevitably make saying GÇ£LOL the buff came in 1.1GÇ¥ I will promptly tell you that it takes time to skill up to proto in a weapon that nobody really cared about using.

Further to my main point, you're still ignoring the fact that the MD should be a situational weapon, it's why the United States military doesn't roll around exclusively in tanks or with the XM203 automatic grenade launcher, and also why only a few guys out of so many are equipped with M249's or M203 underslung launchers. It's because you don't need them all the time.

An AR type weapon (Assault Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, Rail Rifle, Combat Rifle) should always be the weapon of choice with other weapons being situational.

The AR is good but not the best in all areas.

But seriously though, the MD has not been the same since 1.1, it got a buff in 1.2 and now it's fotm because it's better than it should be.

And to counter the point you will inevitably make saying GÇ£LOL the buff came in 1.1GÇ¥ I will promptly tell you that it takes time to skill up to proto in a weapon that nobody really cared about using.

Further to my main point, you're still ignoring the fact that the MD should be a situational weapon, it's why the United States military doesn't roll around exclusively in tanks or with the XM203 automatic grenade launcher, and also why only a few guys out of so many are equipped with M249's or M203 underslung launchers. It's because you don't need them all the time.

An AR type weapon (Assault Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, Rail Rifle, Combat Rifle) should always be the weapon of choice with other weapons being situational.

Being able to kill the user is what makes the MD AMAZING!

Killing yourself gives no penalties to you(except a death, which was already going to happen), plus it DENIES the enemy a kill. So I dont know why you wouldn't use it to kill yourself to stop some one from getting +1 Kill.

Since I didnt notice this stated before the MD is no where near OP, look at the combined CPU & PG requirements for all weapons:
136Swarm Launcher
122Heavy Machine Gun
118Mass Driver
117Plasma Cannon
117Forge Gun
107Sniper Rifle
107Shotgun
103Assault Rifle
102Laser Rifle
098Scrambler Rifle
067Submachine Guns
056Scrambler Pistol
056Nova Knives
047Flaylock Pistol

If you compare that to the damage output and range of the weapons, the MD pays for its power with high CPU & PG requirements.

You want the MD nerfed, GO SUCK A DUCK! then go back to playing with yourself / playing COD...

*sigh*
Guess I should just spend my SP on ARs and the Caldari Assault and pretend to have fun...

At least the assault rifle will work for cqc mid to long distance. At least it can hip fire very well. Look at the bright side, won't ever get nerfed and they're adding new variations

This is seriously a terrible idea. Just bring back the old arc trajectory physics from Chrome. Slower rounds and a drastic dropoff will force players to fight at a distance and have to arc the muzzle upwards, making the weapon clumsy to use in CQC.

Futuristic game. Drop suits, needles that bring back the dead etc. So your point is?
You're still ignoring many factors about the mass driver that I've mention countless times. I really don't waste my time to rewrite them on my phone. AREA Denial gun. Meaning gtfo. Add a safety thst wont allow you to use your gun close up is dumb and instead of being a gun that tells you to gtfo, it'll be rush rush.

Considering that resistances aren't taken into account with splash damage (only direct) it's actually doing about 30% less damage to armor. When that bug gets fixed it's going to skyrocket both in power and use.

It all comes back to what I say about every nerf stop crying about what kills you and step your game up. I hate being killed by Plasma cannons but they are difficult to use and is a weapon more likely to get you killed then get you kills so I respect it also hate being killed by people who chuck grenades instead of shooting people but do I come crying to the forums.

This. Atm, the mass driver is not just a suppression weapon, it's also a CQC weapon as well as an area denial weapon. It fills all those roles too well and given the fact that it doesn't require much skill to aim at someone's feet and get the same results as the skilled players who are getting direct hits, the MD needs some tweaks.

The tweak to minimum range would remove it's ability in CQC (which is why you equip an SMG as a sidearm) and if you don't have a sidearm slot then you better be packing buddies who can keep you alive in close quarters.

Tl;dr - The mass driver should be a situational area denial weapon, not an explosive assault rifle with five meters splash radius.

I think a better solution would be to get the "flat" splash damage fixed. If explosions were occurring in a sphere rather than a circle the CQC value of explosives would be reduced for any player who does not wish to commit suicide.

I'm also dubious about taking more choices out of the players hands, making it "you can't shoot within X range" is a lot more heavy handed than "if you shoot within X range you'll blow yourself up". If we're talking "real world" there's very little reason for an immortal clone solider to have the kind of safety feature described because their loss factor is all in ISK and sometimes it's more effective to take a loss of your own gear while destroying that of the hostile force, so for clones in disposable bodies it just doesn't make sense.

The other, and much bigger issue, is that the MD is a suppression weapon which has been under Uprising geared more and more towards direct/'slayer' combat. This is very much the wrong direction to be taking the MD. Making it more focused on direct/high damage and less on moderate/dispersion (aka splash) damage puts the weapon more and more into direct competition with other offerings in regards to its battlefield role. Dust needs more diversity not less, changes which make the MD function more like the AR in role are going to be bad changes, if they fill the same role or nearly the same role the direct competition will nearly always render one of them fundamentally inferior, replacing greater game diversity (as is the case with the more area denial MD of Chrome) with greater game imbalance (as will be the case if the MD is biased into be a direct/'slayer' primary weapon).

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Idea from RydogV in another mass driver *****-a-thon thread:



Basically the MD round won't "explode" within the minimum distance and will only deal direct damage to someone if the round hits them. Seems like an idea that should have been in the game already.

I'd say the minimum distance should be 5 meters since that's the highest blast radius of the weapon but perhaps it could be even further. What do you all think?

If the safety was implemented, what do you think of the idea that a direct hit would still do damage but not explode if within the minimum arming distance?

I don't often say this, but you are an idiot.

Do you know what area denial means?

Because I will tell you: It means not allowing a player to close that gap. If you're good with the mass driver you will be keeping enemies at bay, if you suck then they deserve to win in CQC. Go read a dictionary or something, ****.

^ exactly just rush the mass driver, I cant believe people are actually complaining about them In cqc. The assault md takes quite a few shots to kill people, and in my opinion tower assault forgeguns are way more of an issue. mass drivers are only very dangerous on top of high grounds, but isn't every weapon?