Mass Driver = For the crazies
Not the safeties.

Scram rifles and lazors are for the crazies

MDs are the gun you give your five year old son who seen you playing and wants to play too

The point is it is not the same since 1.1, because when the fixed the issue with splash damage not being properly dispersed due to small obstacles the weapon became considerably more effective, especially at close range. No explosive grenade launcher is suppose to be used as a CQC weapon. That is ludicrous.

I see where this QQ is going with the Mass Driver, and I think that a reduction in splash or direct explosive damage will ruin its effectiveness as an area denial weapon. I don't want that because I feel it is a capability that is needed in the game. Implementation of a minimum arming distance does not limit that capability. It only prevents players from spamming explosive projectiles in close quarters. A role that was probably never intended for the Mass Driver.

Anyone who is complaining about not being able to use the Mass Driver in close quarters sounds like a fool. It is a support weapon with a specific role in battle. You should be carrying a sidearm to compensate for the weapon's lack of close quarters capability, just like Snipers, Laser Riflemen and A/V Gunners do. If you are Logistics (like me) then you should be moving with another player that can provide you close quarters support....just like you are providing them with area suppression support.

You know the weapon mechanics are broken when you see Squads of players from the same team using a Mass Driver. Lightbulb moment.

So this is not really a nerf...it is just common sense. There is no real-world grenade launcher out there that does not implement minimum arming distance for the projectile. Just like the primary weapon used by most soldiers of every army is some type of assault rifle, which will always make it the most predominant weapon in warfare.

I was going to simply ignore this post but I'm so tired of people like you, it's really pathetic. You want to speak real world? Okay
Real World fact 1. Grenades and grenade launchers are always ohk or damages enough to take someone out of the battle.
Real World fact 2. Most weapons are enough to take someone out in less than 3 shots.
Real World fact 3. You don't have a drop suit to protect you....
See where I'm going? You can't freaking compare "real world" with a freaking sci-fi game. Also, you shouldn't even have to worry about killing yourself because you're a freaking clone. If you kill yourself and take someone out with you, your doing your job. Your brain gets transported into a other clone and guess what? Back to the freaking battle, hurry on gotta take out more reds. Minimum arming distance is stupid, and currently ccp is checking something out on the splash damage. It isn't the weapon itself, it has to do with the latency of the server and the way people appears close up is not accurate. And you're going to waste your time complaining about gun that is only effective at certain situations? Yet the assault rifle holds the crown as the most effective gun? Guess what! Real World fact for you buddy!!! Hit detection and aiming system is messed up!!! And guess what buddy? The assault rifle is still super accurate! !! Imagine how more accurate it'll be once this update kicks in. Real World fact, soldiers don't have aim assist. But dust is going to have a new and improved aim assist. Guess what that means? Semi automatic and full automatic snipers! Time to get my level 5 ar out.

Yeah. I conceded that using 'real world' was not always the best way to support certain elements of in-game mechanic debates....a handful of posts above.

It still doesn't change the fact that a Grenade Launcher as a CQB weapon makes absolutely no sense at all. On that point I will not concede. So...difference of opinion I guess. But thanks for the input on the unrealistic elements found in a sci-fi shooter.

EDIT: Oh and suicide martyrdom tactics will never fly in my book as a standard viable tactic either. Clone or no clone, it's counter productive and not really a basis to keep a faulty physics in a game.

I own bpos so idc about dying if i can take a few people out I'm killing myself. And using the mass driver in cqc isn't ideal in the wrong hands just saying. When I first started using it I killed myself more than I killed them. Takes time to get used to how it works. And just wait until they fix hit detection. Mass driver wouldn't be much of an issue. Shotgun are gonna seem op because it will kill in 2-3 hits. Than people will cry op.

http://youtu.be/zftbf8OfwvY

I agree with Eddie.

http://youtu.be/zftbf8OfwvY

I agree with Eddie.

Well that is kind of a selfish perspecitve. I mean not every player has BPO's or suicidal tendencies. Seek professional help.

Shotguns should beast in CQB. I never have an issue with getting killed by a shotgunner at close range.

And Mass Drivers are not OP. Their damage levels are perfect. But minimum arming distance for the win.

Whoa whoa whoa...

I have to say I'm a little disappointed in a number of you and all this talk of GÇ£real worldGÇ¥ not having any relevance to a space sci-fi game.

Have any of you ever heard of GÇ£suspension of disbeliefGÇ¥?

Suspension of disbelief is the human brain's ability to believe in something wholly unreal based on how similar it is to the current limitations of our imaginations. In essence, it allows for the fantastic to seem possible.

This is why the assault rifle is shaped in a very similar way to current world assault rifles, it has a stock, magazine, trigger, grip, foreguard, barrel and even rails that we use for the attachment of optics or other weapon upgrades right now. These parts are familiar, so it doesn't seem ridiculous that I'm firing searing hot plasma from the end of what amounts to being about as plausible as a plasma fart from the backside of a cat.

Suspension of disbelief is also what makes the space sci-fi genre so fantastic, as it blends current design with a future vision of what we might have and allows to player not to think GÇ£lol this will never happenGÇ¥ and think GÇ£wow this could totally happen!GÇ¥

It's why the HMG is shaped like a minigun.

It's why the MD has the iconic six round chamber from current grenade launcher systems.

It's why the sniper rifle is long and has a fixed stock that looks strikingly similar to current tech.

Seeing tactics that simply do not fit with what a person expects from humans makes that tactic ridiculous. Sure we are immortal clone soldiers and that would probably bring tactics like suicide, but suicide from the MD is rarely intentional.

Suspension of disbelief is required for a sci-fi game, and dismissing real world examples is to dismiss psychology of humans, and also the design decisions that the art team have made, a dismissal which I personally find offensive.

I rest my case:

http://youtu.be/pi_LssfR2N0

lowratehitman knows the real deal.

So once again...Minimum Arming Distance...please and thank-you

The CQC he was showing would be outside any safety arming distance as he wasn't taking any splash himself so it wouldn't ate any difference.

But really, the whole concept of putting safety features on clone weapons is laughable lore wise.
We commit suicide rather than take a shower, so why decrease our combat effectiveness?

If the safety was implemented, what do you think of the idea that a direct hit would still do damage but not explode if within the minimum arming distance?

Just leave the MD how it is right now...?

It's not good enough for the community. They want it nerfed to the ground

How does this prove anything

It's not good enough for the community. They want it nerfed to the ground

Idea from RydogV in another mass driver *****-a-thon thread:



Basically the MD round won't "explode" within the minimum distance and will only deal direct damage to someone if the round hits them. Seems like an idea that should have been in the game already.

I'd say the minimum distance should be 5 meters since that's the highest blast radius of the weapon but perhaps it could be even further. What do you all think?