Man I'm torn on this, on one hand, it'd be kind of cool, on the other, it would act as a safe-guard for people who spam in CQC, they could just keep spamming, knowing it won't go off unless it reaches just far enough to not hurt them, and honestly the MD projectiles would still have to deal some sort of. probably fairly strong) direct damage even when unexploded. I kind of like the risk of suicide being a deterrent, or punishment.

If the safety was implemented, what do you think of the idea that a direct hit would still do damage but not explode if within the minimum arming distance?

The idea of a slow moving baseball sized rock working like a grenade is ridiculous. beyond that this would make the mass driver useless in close quarters. We already have a built in penalty for using a MD in close quarters and its called hitting yourself with splash damage.

Beyond this being one of the more ******** ideas for a weapon adjustment I've heard of, even from the people who don't use the MD, this doesn't change the fact that THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE THE MD MORE NOOB TUBE NOT LESS.

If my round won't explode unless its 5m out and my MD has a 5m splash range after max skills you aren't stopping a MD user from 'noob tubeing' you, only removing his ability to hurt himself while leaving his ability to hurt you.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE WHO DON'T MD TRY TO CHANGE MD. THINGS GET MORE BROKEN RATHER THEN FIXED!

Try using the flaylock now. Let's see how good you'll do with it alone. This is how the mass driver would be at "minimum arming range". Of course many of you would say I suck. But it isn't my fault the hit detection is rubbish. Sometimes the flaylock doesn't even register. That's why I use my smg as my main weapon on my scout. Either tweak how direct damage work by giving it a faster launch at minimum range or something. Or leave the gun as is. Because now it's balanced.

I roll shotgun/flaylock on my scout and I do pretty well, it took me a little bit to adjust when they changed the splash radius and my ADV flaylock became the old STD flaylock, more or less, but I still get kills with it. If I only had the ISK to run my core flaylock on the reg, or if scouts were less poorly balanced, I'm sure I'd do better

I do think MD is balanced more or less as is right now, I just think this idea is kind of an interesting alternative that wouldn't change too much. But in the end I like the possible risk of suicide currently posed more than an arming range.

yea hit detection gets funky up super close and strafing/turning at full speed, makes my shotgun so sad

I'm a idiot? Ha. Why don't smart players rush people with a massive driver? Because they know the weapon will kill them. Add the safety and even the bad players will realize that the gun has a "dead zone" and they will rush you much easier. Doesn't matter how good you are or not . If your a good player you can take out the current mass driver user by keeping your distance. I've even rushed in with a minja scout that uses the nova knife and smg as a main weapon and took him out. Making the gun have a dead zone isn't balanced because it'll be the only weapon that has one. Sorry if players like you aren't good enough to take out a mass driver at a distance. I do it all the time, I don't fight mass driver vs mass driver if I die. I'll get my tac ar and snipe him with it. Not that hard. And people saying that the mass driver is being used as a shotgun lawl. They're somewhat right but they don't understand that it's a risky move to do. You'll end up killing yourself if you go crazy spamming. Mass driver users carry flux. Guess what their same trick works both ways. Flux them as well or throw a grenade. I throw flux and use a smg or just the gek ar. So you're the idiot for not realizing how bad this potential nerf can be. If they do make it, they have to fix the hit detection. Or it will have the same problem that the flay lock has right now. It's very hard to get direct hits and it isn't because of skill but because of poor game design. I won't take the risk of my hits not registering because the devs didn't fix it. Being forced to do direct his with a grenade launcher is stupid. Grenades kill by the shock waves it creates. Making it do direct hits is almost like having a bullet. If you want direct hits make it so in cqc it shoots straight like a bullet and if it hits you you're dead. Why?
A direct hit with a grenade is instant death. Splash you can survive and counter. You can't just take away a ability of the gun with out adding one. Wouldn't go too well. It's like removing the hip fire of a assault rifle in cqc. Basically making the assault rifle aim harder like a tac ar in cqc. Not so balanced.

At the moment the MD is not an area denial weapon, it's a kill everything at no matter what distance weapon.

As for your post Cross, you're right about me not being specced into them but I speak after playing games with my corpmate who specced into them long ago. I asked him to use one just to even the odds and he destroyed people with it. Guess what else he destroyed? A tank. I was lolling very hard due to the fact that not moments earlier I mockingly said GÇ£The MD is OP, use it to kill the tank!GÇ¥

He blew up the tank.

Really now guys.

Really.

Did you even read the link?

At the moment the MD is not an area denial weapon, it's a kill everything at no matter what distance weapon.

As for your post Cross, you're right about me not being specced into them but I speak after playing games with my corpmate who specced into them long ago. I asked him to use one just to even the odds and he destroyed people with it. Guess what else he destroyed? A tank. I was lolling very hard due to the fact that not moments earlier I mockingly said GÇ£The MD is OP, use it to kill the tank!GÇ¥

He blew up the tank.

Really now guys.

Really.

Cant belive that Cross reply is being ignored. In that reply is the only solution viable to not make MD a useless weapon

The only problem with the MD is the Fuking CAL.Suit (logi or ass dosent matter) and the Shoot while jumping (to avoid all splash)

Change the splash dmg calc to flat from Sphere and just watch the CQC noob-spammer kill themself.

If the safety was implemented, what do you think of the idea that a direct hit would still do damage but not explode if within the minimum arming distance?

I don't understand how this will make a difference, perhaps that is why it's being ignored?

The counter to removing self inflicted splash damage is surely to jump yourself as you fire, the solution offered by Cross will make no difference to this strategy.

The MD should be a situational area denial weapon, much like a sniper rifle is but at shorter ranges, namely: medium range.

That's sad. That tank stood still long enough for him to do that. That isn't the mass driver fault its the tanks. It's a kill everything no matter the distance? Um, that pretty much sounds like the assault rifle to me. I use it to pick off snipers just saying. At least the mass driver requires more work or more of a thought to be able to take out people at a distance unlike the assault rifle or better yet the tactical assault riffle which has a great range. At least the mass driver requires you think focus on elevation, distance, terrain (hills or flat, height of target etc) just saying. That whole statement is just proved to be bad
Because the simple fact that:
1: the tanks stood still for a while, I bet it wasn't only him attacking it.
2: the it kills everything no matter what the distance sounds more like the assault rifle instead of the mass driver
3: the hit detection is messed up, hit boxes are messed up and the aim assist is off right now. The assault rifle is effected by hit detection, because it requires direct hits and it's still very fking accurate. Imagine how much better it'll be once this is fixed. Ha and people already complain about it

Just because it applies to the AR, this does not mean it applies to ONLY the AR. What you are saying is that currently, the mass driver is being used as an assault rifle because GÇ£the hit detection sucksGÇ¥ for everything else. This is the same as saying GÇ£I can't hit people but I can when I can hit anything within a five meter radius.GÇ¥

Edit: And you clearly didn't read the part in a previous post where I said that an AR is supposed to fulfil all roles but excel in none. Like an AR is good at area denial if you can lead the target and stay on target, but the MD is better because you don't really need to aim and it does more damage to a wider area.

I don't understand how this will make a difference, perhaps that is why it's being ignored?

The counter to removing self inflicted splash damage is surely to jump yourself as you fire, the solution offered by Cross will make no difference to this strategy.

The MD should be a situational area denial weapon, much like a sniper rifle is but at shorter ranges, namely: medium range.

You dont understand simply because you dont ever bother try the MD or just pay attention to the spamming noob.
Let's go with the point.

1) No,it's not a sniper rifle. Area Denial mean " no, you can fukin walk freely in that area." and "no you can fukin take that little crate as a cover" OR " no, you cant walk close together like a wolf pack or like a Greek Oplitia formation"
A sniper rifle have ALL other purpose on the battlefield (that is not paddle KDR ) and if you cant see the difference between the two weapon than you have a little problem regarding game balance

so let's translate this in " MD for Dummies" : You give the Enemy height advantage? You die. You walk close with your squad? You die. You seek cover behind a little obj? you die.

And now let's try to explain WHY Cross hit the core problem and why ignoring something that you dont understand it's bad for ya ( RIP CARLIN)

They main complain of people is that they are spamming the MD in CQC.
But the splash dmg that kill you must have killed the user too...... so what's Happen? Lets do some MATH with the help of X-Y


SUPPOSE you shoot the MD at your feet the MD do 184 DMG on X axis for (let's make an example) 4 meters. The point of impact is Y=0
The flat explosion dmg calc means that IF YOU ARE at Y=1-2-3-4-5-6 you avoid all the self inflicted spash DMG.
WHat do we have if we change this?

Suppose you have s sphere DMG where ALL object inside X=4 and Y= 6 (numbers are for example ) take the same splash dmg.

With this you cant shoot it in CQC because you will take YOUR DMG+ Enemy DMG and that means that you die faster than you kill.

The mass driver should be a specialist weapon, and at the moment it is not. It does far too much damage just like the flaylock did and it deserves to be put into it's intended role. Just yesterday some guy hit me with the basic mass driver and did 800 damage to kill me in one hit. I can't kill people in one hit with any other gun, save for the forge or a headshot with a sniper rifle or shotgun, all three of which require incredible accuracy to do. The mass driver does not.

And on a side note: I think there is a bigger problem with the MD than people realise. My counter to these people when I encounter them in CQC is to get very close, start cooking a grenade and then backing off to throw it at them at the last second. I have encountered many times that the grenade lands at their feet and blows up without doing any damage as they are firing the MD at my feet and killing me. Is this some kind of calculation bug?

If the safety was implemented, what do you think of the idea that a direct hit would still do damage but not explode if within the minimum arming distance?

Are we seriously considering putting a safety measure on a clone weapon?!?

The same clones that we push though painful worm holes guaranteed to kill them in short order?

Gosh, maybe we should implement safety measures on grenades too. I mean, we can cook nades until they go off in our hands!
We shouldn't be able to release the spoon until we throw it, and it wouldn't arm until it was far enough away from us.

And then we could put foam on all the sharp corners in our merc quarters...

If the safety was implemented, what do you think of the idea that a direct hit would still do damage but not explode if within the minimum arming distance?

If the safety was implemented, what do you think of the idea that a direct hit would still do damage but not explode if within the minimum arming distance?

No safety. Bad idea. Unless of course you add a minimum distance to all weapons.

What is a grenade if it doesn't explode?

Also, **** with the AR before you **** with the MD.... Again.

The m203 has a min arming distance of 50 to 100 yards to keep inexperience soldiers from blowing themselves up.

This isn't Earth, so that really doesn't matter. Also, humans are soft, squishy things. We're in big ass suits of power armor that are a fair bit more resilient to damage than the gooey filling.

To keep things clear, I'm for a minimum safe distance, but 50-100 yards is insane.