Your right, the MD doesn't require a huge amount of skill, however it still require bucket loads more than the AR which is point and shoot at its most basic.

Unlike a shotgun

So show me your games with AR. I think half you guys that say AR is a no skill gun are full of it. You guys get smashed with it. If AR is soooooo OP if it's soooooo beastly in your hands why would you use the MD? Makes no sense, your crutch is garbage and will be fixed soon. You will again become irrelevant.

Out of curiosity, what were your corp mates using? Their scores are comparable...

Were you dominating or just stealing kills with spash damage? A squad of Team Players must provide a lot of kill assists....

I was told in a couple posts earlier to use it and see it takes more aim and skill than the AR does. (before you look at the pics keep in mind I have never not once used any kind of grenade launcher in any shooting game or anything.



Proof it was Basic



First game using Grenade Launcher



Proof 32 kills BASIC MD



I win button 32-3


I have been playing for a couple of hours with level 1 MD and well you can ask my corp they all been pretty much like this. For those that say use the MD than say how easy it is, or those who say MD requires aim and more skill than AR. YOU ARE FULL OF BULLFUDGE! This is the easiest weapon I have used yet in this game. The mass driver requires little to NO skill at all. It's a OP weapon and needs to be nerfed ASAP.

Thank you.

I see ARs, HMGs, and (used to see) shotguns get this many kills? Double standard much?

I see ARs, HMGs, and (used to see) shotguns get this many kills? Double standard much?

For those that say use the MD than say how easy it is, or those who say MD requires aim and more skill than AR. YOU ARE FULL OF BULLFUDGE!

whats your opinion on nerfing?

blast radius IMO but i've never used one so I was wondering what you thought

I dont see many of the high power mass drivers being used (the one's with a tight blast radius)

and I think its because its more of a skill shot unlike the ones we keep seeing in our killfeed

Dont know how a kill/death chart of Player in a FULL SQUAD of the BEST CORP (right now) VS blueberryes could provide some objective data on the matter.

So you're saying you can't do that with an AR ? Cause im a religious user of the MD and can do the very same if not better with the AR... Especially with the academy opening the flood gates lately....

I use Shotgun

To be fair its not really all that amazing. If you are a good player you will wreck with it. If you are up against crappy players you will wreck with it. If the proportions of Armour tankers is higher than shield tankers you will wreck with it. If your squad runs 6 of them you will all wreck with it......

Oh now I see what you mean....

Any weapon that simply requires you aim in the general area of the enemy instead of directly hitting them is inherently going to be easier to use. The same case applies to ridiculous M1 and Core Locus Grenades.

CCP wants to have diverse weaponry in their game but can't seem to find the balance for explosive weapons. First the Flaylock and now this. In a game where poor hit detection means bullets not hitting and this not killing, people will veer towards weapons that don't require you to actually directly hit to do damage. It's a silly mechanic but I guess we just have to deal with it.

I believe the radius needs to be nerfed down to 3-4 (after lvl5) and 5-6 with the assault one. I also think it needs reload after every shot. It needs to have the direct taken off since everybody only shoots at the feet and goes for splash anyway where it should be the other way around people should go for direct first. This gun is such a joke though it rewards you well for missing the shot or not even caring for direct dmg. I just focused on splash. This gun truly is a I win button. I won so many 1v4 1v3 with it EASILY.

Reload after every shot lol funny. Question is went 16-4 using nothing besides the level 3 nova knife. I think it's op because I got a good score with a knife. Ha.

Blueberries? There was Conspiratus Immortalis and a Synergy in there it wasn't full of NPC nobodies.

I honestly can't see the first md usage pic... Is that your tv or camera?

Yeah and in that match (while wearing CK0 ) you scored a 13-1 and your AR partner scored a 15.

so it's prove my point. You cant go 32-1 vs good guys.

or am i wrong?

If you can't see it get glasses. I know it's not clear as day but you can tell it is just a regular mass driver in both those pics. Don't even think of pulling the thought that I could be using better than Basic out your butt.

We do but I am simply proving this gun takes no skill. For all the people who defend it left and right and go on a rant how hard and difficult it is to use. Earlier Flaylock Steve and a OH told me to use the MD to see how hard and challenging it was to use one. Judging by the pics I had no hard time at all...

The knife is not overpopulated your argument fails..

The knife is not overpopulated your argument fails..

[quote=Funkmaster Whale]Any weapon that simply requires you aim in the general area of the enemy instead of directly hitting them is inherently going to be easier to use. The same case ridculous M1 and Core Locus Grenades.

CCP wants to diverse weaponry in their game but can't seem to balance for explosive weapons. First the Flaylock and now this. In a game poor hit detection means bullets not hitting and this not killing, people will veer towards weapons that don't require you to actually directly hit to do damage. It's a silly mechanic but I guess we just have to deal with it.. /quote]


We do but I am simply proving this gun takes no skill. For all the people who defend it left and right and go on a rant how hard and difficult it is to use. Earlier Flaylock Steve and a OH told me to use the MD to see how hard and challenging it was to use one. Judging by the pics I had no hard time at all...

Than why don't you? If you can use the AR just as good why do you use the MD? Because it's so much easier and I can tell you that. I was told how much harder and challenging it was to use and I have never use a grenade launcher in my life and was able to do this run and gunning with MD.

You mentioned me. I feel special, good job. You used the mass driver and got a good match. But again you cant say you got that score wity the mass driver alone. What suit you used? Did you use mods? All of this account a for your survivability. What did your team look like and what did the reds look like? You're ignoring these factors. What map was it etc. this is was a good attempt. Just because you had a good score doesn't mean it's op. Just mean you're a skilled player in which I congrats you. But I've went 28-4 a few times with tac ar. I went 16 and 4 with a damn nove knife. I even got pictures

So cause he stole some kills or managed to find them before me that means it's better? Lol Need Crutch much? The point is I was told earlier that if I used the MD I would see it requires true skill and more aim than the AR. That is a lie. This gun is far easier to use.

Lol you irrelevant guys will come up with anything to protect your crutch I see. Lol

I proto'ed my mass driver cause I missed the flay lock fun. Lol

Loving the mass driver

I was told in a couple posts earlier to use it and see it takes more aim and skill than the AR does. (before you look at the pics keep in mind I have never not once used any kind of grenade launcher in any shooting game or anything.



Proof it was Basic



First game using Grenade Launcher



Proof 32 kills BASIC MD



I win button 32-3


I have been playing for a couple of hours with level 1 MD and well you can ask my corp they all been pretty much like this. For those that say use the MD than say how easy it is, or those who say MD requires aim and more skill than AR. YOU ARE FULL OF BULLFUDGE! This is the easiest weapon I have used yet in this game. The mass driver requires little to NO skill at all. It's a OP weapon and needs to be nerfed ASAP.

Thank you.


EDIT- I would like to point out that I was run and gun with this weapon. No camping up high and raining grenades down here.

The pictures showed the basic mass driver was my favorite weapon..... EVEN if I lied and got some kills with something else I would still have to got a majority with the basic mass driver...

Ok so after I solo by myself and still **** with basic MD what will you say than? Just average joes on other side... There will ALWAYS be something you guys whine and throw in to attempt to protect your crutch and we all know it.

Ok so after I solo by myself and still **** with basic MD what will you say than? Just average joes on other side... There will ALWAYS be something you guys whine and throw in to attempt to protect your crutch and we all know it.

Ok so after I solo by myself and still **** with basic MD what will you say than? Just average joes on other side... There will ALWAYS be something you guys whine and throw in to attempt to protect your crutch and we all know it.

Yeah but a good player can pick up any weapon and do well with it.

I'm just glad your shotgun still takes so much skill. And it's not like the militia variant is effective at all.

I have proven my point. MD takes ABSOLUTELY NO SKILL to use. You guys that say the AR is easy mode I don't see any proof that you guys are relevant. If ya were you'd still have districts and wouldn't be begging us to not destroy you.

I have proven my point. MD takes ABSOLUTELY NO SKILL to use. You guys that say the AR is easy mode I don't see any proof that you guys are relevant. If ya were you'd still have districts and wouldn't be begging us to not destroy you.

I have proven my point. MD takes ABSOLUTELY NO SKILL to use. You guys that say the AR is easy mode I don't see any proof that you guys are relevant. If ya were you'd still have districts and wouldn't be begging us to not destroy you.

Mad that I smash your corp into oblivion? Lol Thanks for the districts.

Relevant? Are you still going on about that? Dude, please stop, it's getting pathetic, is your ego so small that you must cling to the fact that pretty much everyone else (corp and alliance wise) just went "meh, **** PC" and that you grabbed the undefended districts? It's getting pathetic, your just insulting yourself now.

Wait are we not relevant because we don't scam small corps by attacking their districts after you sell to them or because we don't share the same idiotic opinion as you?

Sorry but from my point of view, only chart are objective.

(note, from a heavy point of view i will gain the best if the mass driver is nerfed, sain that just to clear the field from every misunderstanding)

Full squad of TEAMPLAYERS vs FULL squad of SYN-COSP you go 13-1 and i think you could do the same with the Duvolle and dont find your score as a prove of OP.
Prove the point that your AR-partner has more kill.

FULL TEAMPLAYER SQUAD VS a full squad of blueberries you go 32-2 and againg, i suppose you can do exactly the same with the duvolle, simply because your teamwork is really good.

No because your guys send Cubs msgs crying everytime we attacked

Ok so after I solo by myself and still **** with basic MD what will you say than? Just average joes on other side... There will ALWAYS be something you guys whine and throw in to attempt to protect your crutch and we all know it.

We smashed ya when ya did show

Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnd ill just keep drivin meh tanks

I clearly stirred up the noob's nest

I don't understand you. You're so hostile and insulting in almost every post you make. I have to ask, are you like 14 or 15 years old by chance? It would make sense. It seems like every post I read from you, you go out of your way to make enemies with everyone.

How do you expect people to take you seriously if all you do is act like a giant douche bag all the time?

Lol you irrelevant guys will come up with anythin. g to protect your crutch I see. Lol

Congrats, you've proven that you can pubstomp with a full squad of Teamplayers vs. random scrubs. I bet you could've gotten those scores with the Plasma Cannon or Laser too with that kind of match-up.

Please try in your next PC and lets see how it goes.

(Camps a nanohive and lobs Lai Dais in your general direction)

Ha no. You just want to nerf because you don't like being taken out your comfort zone. But my new "crutch" is the nova knife
I'm still getting better at it. Can't wait to see the tears like yours

Thats a little mean.......

Wait I have an idea. I DECLARE THIS WEEK INTERNATIONAL IGNORE XERO AND REGNYUM WEEK

I was told in a couple posts earlier to use it and see it takes more aim and skill than the AR does. (before you look at the pics keep in mind I have never not once used any kind of grenade launcher in any shooting game or anything.



Proof it was Basic



First game using Grenade Launcher



Proof 32 kills BASIC MD



I win button 32-3


I have been playing for a couple of hours with level 1 MD and well you can ask my corp they all been pretty much like this. For those that say use the MD than say how easy it is, or those who say MD requires aim and more skill than AR. YOU ARE FULL OF BULLFUDGE! This is the easiest weapon I have used yet in this game. The mass driver requires little to NO skill at all. It's a OP weapon and needs to be nerfed ASAP.

Thank you.


EDIT- I would like to point out that I was run and gun with this weapon. No camping up high and raining grenades down here.

Just proving a point to how lolbalanced things are. I can solo a tank, but it takes almost an entire squad to blow up a yellow jeep.

1.5 can't come fast enough.

Why make it a week? Why not a year? Or an eternity?.....

Why make it a week? Why not a year? Or an eternity?.....

I was told in a couple posts earlier to use it and see it takes more aim and skill than the AR does. (before you look at the pics keep in mind I have never not once used any kind of grenade launcher in any shooting game or anything.



Proof it was Basic



First game using Grenade Launcher



Proof 32 kills BASIC MD



I win button 32-3


I have been playing for a couple of hours with level 1 MD and well you can ask my corp they all been pretty much like this. For those that say use the MD than say how easy it is, or those who say MD requires aim and more skill than AR. YOU ARE FULL OF BULLFUDGE! This is the easiest weapon I have used yet in this game. The mass driver requires little to NO skill at all. It's a OP weapon and needs to be nerfed ASAP.

Thank you.


EDIT- I would like to point out that I was run and gun with this weapon. No camping up high and raining grenades down here.

Another forum I frequent has annual raffles for custom avatar titles and other random profile swag to cover server expenses. One popular prize is a temporary ban token that you can use on anyone you want. *hint* *hint*

With the AR half the bullets do not register and requires a player to actually track a moving opponent, whereas the MD has close to a 5m blast radius so no aiming is necessary at all. Then you combine the MD with a flux nade and it's extremely easy to kill people even outnumbered 1 vs 3.

The AR these days lack stopping power, with players able to easily strafe away and escape behind a corner (unless you lack SP and do not have a proto suit / complex shield extenders).

I believe the MD should at the most have a 2m blast radius, if not it's splash damage needs to be greatly reduced especially vs armor. At it's current state the weapon is way to easy to use and combined with flux nades it's laughably easy.

Another forum I frequent has annual raffles for custom avatar titles and other random profile swag to cover server expenses. One popular prize is a temporary ban token that you can use on anyone you want. *hint* *hint*

OK a real argument.

The mass driver work so well right now because the majority of the player base use the "wolf pack" tactic. Stick close together and shoot the same target.

If you put a little distance from your mate you can kill the MD user. Usully one die,but not all the team.

The thing that need to be looked is the istantgib of the explosive.Let's change this so you can be razzed, like what happen with other weapon.

And i personally think that the real problem is another and it's called DMG MOD: they change the value of a weapon from std to OP.

Personally i hope CCP take them out as soon as possibile.

example: The VIZIAM in cromo was not OP if you didnt have DMG mod and SS+SSpro. But with them stacked it become the OP weapon we all know

oh, look, Xero is proposing to nerf another weapon that isn't an AR. HTFU, Xero. You need to accept that the AR cannot be the only viable weapon or Dust will become a wannabe CoD clone and die. The draw of Dust is the variety. MD users rarely get more kills than ARs of the same level. Luckily, CCP balances based on data and not whiners like you.

I've seen you do very well with your Caldari AR fit (FOTM since forever), but when someone with a non-AR does the same, you lose your ****.

This video is for you: Battlefield Friends: USAA-12+Frags

I was told in a couple posts earlier to use it and see it takes more aim and skill than the AR does. (before you look at the pics keep in mind I have never not once used any kind of grenade launcher in any shooting game or anything.



Proof it was Basic



First game using Grenade Launcher



Proof 32 kills BASIC MD



I win button 32-3


I have been playing for a couple of hours with level 1 MD and well you can ask my corp they all been pretty much like this. For those that say use the MD than say how easy it is, or those who say MD requires aim and more skill than AR. YOU ARE FULL OF BULLFUDGE! This is the easiest weapon I have used yet in this game. The mass driver requires little to NO skill at all. It's a OP weapon and needs to be nerfed ASAP.

Thank you.


EDIT- I would like to point out that I was run and gun with this weapon. No camping up high and raining grenades down here.

Some players have stuck with the AR since the game came out in closed beta, dont start that FOTM crap pony boy. Get back in ur closet with your barbie horses

9/10 Times when I get killed by a mass driver there in shotgun range and I can't do anything about it. And when there trying to do what there suppose to do and that bombardment they fail miserably the MD needs less rof and more splash radius to do its job.

I don't use the MD a whole lot, or the AR. I tend towards SMG's or scrambler pistols myself. And as a vehicle user I am far from the best infantry player in the match, the simple fact is that I can pick up either of those weapons and do decently with them, the difference between them is that I actually have to try and judge the arc and splash radius with the mass driver, while I simply point the weapon and hold down R1 with the other.

Edit: also who ever said that the AR was OP or "soooooo beastly" in my hands, I simply made an objective comparison of my experience with both weapons. And how is it my crutch if I rarely use it, and why on earth should I care about being relevant in a freaking video game? I state my opinion on matters in the game on the forums and in game to other people, I do this because I want to talk about my experiences in game and how I believe the game could be improved, not out of some desire to be relavent. To be honest the only guy who sounds full of it round here is you.

You don't have to judge the arc, just aim the bottom tick at them. The round ALWAYS hits on the bottom tick. Any ND user worth a lick knows this. There is NO judging when it comes to arcing just aim ahead of them.

With the M.D. You literally shoot AROUND them, not even direct hits. At least with the AR you have to actually hit the guy dead on.

That said the M.D. is not OP. Though if you actually think it takes more skill to use, then you don't know how to use it.

You don't have to judge the arc, just aim the bottom tick at them. The round ALWAYS hits on the bottom tick. Any ND user worth a lick knows this. There is NO judging when it comes to arcing just aim ahead of them.

With the M.D. You literally shoot AROUND them, not even direct hits. At least with the AR you have to actually hit the guy dead on.

That said the M.D. is not OP. Though if you actually think it takes more skill to use, then you don't know how to use it.

Depends on the range, at a certain distance you can't rely on the reticule and have to judge it manually, I'm talking mid to long range here, there's also relative heights to take into account as well, those do take some judging, unlike the AR which is point at target, hold trigger, profit, in every single situation, regardless of position, height, or tactical situation.

Lol you irrelevant guys will come up with anything to protect your crutch I see. Lol

That said the M.D. is not OP. Though if you actually think it takes more skill to use, then you don't know how to use it.

I was told in a couple posts earlier to use it and see it takes more aim and skill than the AR does. (before you look at the pics keep in mind I have never not once used any kind of grenade launcher in any shooting game or anything.



Proof it was Basic



First game using Grenade Launcher



Proof 32 kills BASIC MD



I win button 32-3


I have been playing for a couple of hours with level 1 MD and well you can ask my corp they all been pretty much like this. For those that say use the MD than say how easy it is, or those who say MD requires aim and more skill than AR. YOU ARE FULL OF BULLFUDGE! This is the easiest weapon I have used yet in this game. The mass driver requires little to NO skill at all. It's a OP weapon and needs to be nerfed ASAP.

Thank you.


EDIT- I would like to point out that I was run and gun with this weapon. No camping up high and raining grenades down here.

Depends on the range, at a certain distance you can't rely on the reticule and have to judge it manually, I'm talking mid to long range here, there's also relative heights to take into account as well, those do take some judging, unlike the AR which is point at target, hold trigger, profit, in every single situation, regardless of position, height, or tactical situation.

Depends on the range, at a certain distance you can't rely on the reticule and have to judge it manually, I'm talking mid to long range here, there's also relative heights to take into account as well, those do take some judging, unlike the AR which is point at target, hold trigger, profit, in every single situation, regardless of position, height, or tactical situation.

Couldn't have said it any better

Don't get too used to your crutch ladies. It's gonna get nerfed. Me being able to dominate with a basic version of this gun is proof. I didn't even take pics of the game I fought a full squad of Nyain San using it I still went 8-2 against their proto ARs. It's a idiot's weapon. The Assault Rifle takes NO SKILL at all to use. It's a crutch.

All you've proven is TeamPlayers is full of a bunch of whiny circlejerking nolifers.

Try using that MD in a PC match and see what happens.

All you've proven is TeamPlayers is full of a bunch of whiny circlejerking nolifers.

Try using that MD in a PC match and see what happens.

Fixed that for you.

The bigger the splash the more likely you are to kill yourself in close quarters, it does have a rather sizeable downside.

Lol when you win some battles than you can talk.

With a 5m blast radius....

Ok... wow. Changed the link you provided in OP so that I wasn't on the mobile version of the site, this way I could view the photo in a decent size to see the scores.

Are you ******* kidding me.... you want the MD nerfed because of that score with THAT team? You could have been using sticks and stones and would have gone 20-0.

Let's see:

Nobody team on the other side with mostly randoms - Check
5 man squad of Teamplayers likely using mostly proto gear - Check
Long match of Skirmish or Domination - Check (amount of kills is way above 80 clone OMS)

Wow... just WOW. This is what you base an OP weapon on? I just hope CCP see's your unnecessary call for a nerf for what it is, BS. Try getting a score like that consistently playing solo in ambush, then come back and tell us how OP the MD is.

Just curious, but what do some of the TeamPlayers md specialists (Mcfurious, Fiddle) think about the md? Do they share the same opinion of it being op? When I see players from big corps make a complaint about something do they collectively share the same opinion?

Been using Mass Drivers since closed beta when they were weaker and only had 4 shots. I'm rarely killed by them and I'm gallente. There's only been 2 or 3 players who ever really gave me problems with it. Most of them out there are just flavor of the month players with terrible shots.

I'd start by reducing explosive bonus to armor. I don't see the logic in it being so high. 105% or 110% would be plenty. I'd be fine with it being just 100% I think.

If they're going to nerf the weapon itself (again), go ahead but they need to fix the aiming system back to how it was in Chromosome at least.

I was the only one running it to take pics and test it out to prove you guys MD is OP takes no skill.

I did it against a full squad of Nyain San too..... also using Proto MDs...

Lets not discount skill and/or team support here. Can you honestly say you couldn't have beat them if you had an AR instead of a MD?

Just curious, but what do some of the TeamPlayers md specialists (Mcfurious, Fiddle) think about the md? Do they share the same opinion of it being op? When I see players from big corps make a complaint about something do they collectively share the same opinion?

So you're saying you can't do that with an AR ? Cause im a religious user of the MD and can do the very same if not better with the AR... Especially with the academy opening the flood gates lately....

I see ARs, HMGs, and (used to see) shotguns get this many kills? Double standard much?

XeroTheBigBoss, you started good showing how easy the MD is to use, just like any other weapon....
And then you fell to the trap and started talking nonsense.

So show me your games with AR. I think half you guys that say AR is a no skill gun are full of it. You guys get smashed with it. If AR is soooooo OP if it's soooooo beastly in your hands why would you use the MD? Makes no sense, your crutch is garbage and will be fixed soon. You will again become irrelevant.

Even so doesn't erase the POINT of this thread. The MD is easy as hell to use a monkey could use it FACT. Only reason why most these people use it.

Damn Xero, 140 replies in just a couple hours. You certainly know how to rile up a crowd lol.

Yup, I too am just impressed. He really has his trolling style down. He starts off by making a ridiculous statement. Then waits for serious replies to start rolling in. Then rather than responding to replies, he just insults the players and their corps.

I particularly liked the part where he gets to decide who deserves to have an opinion. Classic.

So show me your games with AR. I think half you guys that say AR is a no skill gun are full of it. You guys get smashed with it. If AR is soooooo OP if it's soooooo beastly in your hands why would you use the MD? Makes no sense, your crutch is garbage and will be fixed soon. You will again become irrelevant.

it's different gameplay. if you can keep the ar user behind cover, you can win. if the ar user charges you, you lose. simple as that.

Come MD user! pull out your standard AR an see if you can do better

I use dragonfly scout.. No dmg mods. Unfortunately lvl 4 in ar (unfortunate cause I never use them ie wasted sp) use the gek. Have lvl 1 md. Do much better with the md... Using a militia or standard ar is even worse. Md for the win. Would love to had md maxed ;)

Damn Xero, 140 replies in just a couple hours. You certainly know how to rile up a crowd lol.

Mass driver requires more skill to use than a assault rifle. Just saying, don't troll you might fail.

I'm sorry, but anyone who talks like this about the Mass Driver just has absolutely no clue what they're talking about. No, splash damage should not be a 'Consolation Prize'. Decent splash damage is the only reason anyone uses this weapon at all. If you were not able to kill people with the splash damage, no one would ever use the Mass Driver, period.

The Mass Driver is not like an AR. You do not point-and-click, and get an instant automatic hit if you're on target. The projectiles have a long travel time and fire at an arc. Because of this, there is no way that anyone ever goes around getting 100% direct hits. Yes, I almost always go for splash damage because that is the only thing that is practical. But even then, at any significant distance, or anything other than the optimal situation for the MD, it is difficult to hit with the splash damage.

So please just stop, all you're doing in continually proving how clueless you are about this situation.

....to a lesser degree, yes. But it still is not a hitscan weapon. And it still fires at an arc

I really wish some of you rampant sh!t talkers about the MD would try it, and please let me know how simple it is to run around getting direct hits 100% of the time.

Here's a strange thought: What if... all the weapons we had were as effective as the MD and AR? Would anyone really give a crap over what's OP and who's using what?

It's too late for that. You ARE the problem.

So what's next? Let's say CCP ignores all the statistics they follow and give in to a bunch of kneejerk reactions and something like the plasma canon or laser become widely used? You run your usual "tactics" of meeting everything head on, only to get popped and melted by squads of lasers and plasma cannons? You going to cry about those next?

So what's next? Let's say CCP ignores all the statistics they follow and give in to a bunch of kneejerk reactions and something like the plasma canon or laser become widely used? You run your usual "tactics" of meeting everything head on, only to get popped and melted by squads of lasers and plasma cannons? You going to cry about those next?

This scenario is part of what is causing Dust to be less successful than it could be.

Instead of forcing players to learn tactics, CCP keeps pandering to the lowest common denominators (AR users) that just run and gun like idiots, and we have a less tactical, more dumbed down game because of it.

You have it backwards. YOU guys who use the nice little weird guns that give OHKs and all that "versatility" you guys like to have are the ones killing the game. The AR requires skill. All I ever see is you crying how easy the AR is to use but you don't use it. Yet you use all the crutch weapons and act like it takes talent that not everybody has you are clearly a joke.

The idea that the MD gives OHKs is stupid. Splash damage - the most complained about feature from the AR idiots - will net about 160 to 180 pts damage max.

The AR is, far and away, the best weapon in the game. It's already dominating, and it needs fixed, whereas people who kill with the MD would kill you 3 times as fast with the AR.

The MD is harder to use than the AR.

I was told in a couple posts earlier to use it and see it takes more aim and skill than the AR does. (before you look at the pics keep in mind I have never not once used any kind of grenade launcher in any shooting game or anything.



Proof it was Basic



First game using Grenade Launcher



Proof 32 kills BASIC MD



I win button 32-3


I have been playing for a couple of hours with level 1 MD and well you can ask my corp they all been pretty much like this. For those that say use the MD than say how easy it is, or those who say MD requires aim and more skill than AR. YOU ARE FULL OF BULLFUDGE! This is the easiest weapon I have used yet in this game. The mass driver requires little to NO skill at all. It's a OP weapon and needs to be nerfed ASAP.

Thank you.


EDIT- I would like to point out that I was run and gun with this weapon. No camping up high and raining grenades down here.

The laser is already in works for being the new FoTM. CCP does not know how to balance a game. Instead of NERFING everything to create total balance they keep buffing something creating what is called a CASH TRAP. Forces users to buy more boosters so they can spec into the new FoTM.

Forces people to buy new AUR gear so they can start using the Viziam earlier than normal. It's a vicious cash trap. I will keep fighting the good fight. In reality I am more than capable of still killing people who depend on crutches. I just want them to have to play the game fair like everybody else and get kills with skill and not crutch.

Who the hell decides what's a crutch and what's not? You swear by a hitscan full auto weapon that only has one other useful varint. I'd rather see everything be effective instead of us all being limited to one thing. You don't give two ****s about balance, let's call a spade a spade here. People like you with your condescending attitude towards your own community, holding up virtual prestige in a video game are going to be the death of this game. But at least it looks like CCP isn't giving in since the MD didn't make the feedback page for the second week in a row since this QQ started. Lets hope they follow this trend and get something more on the kill feed than GEKs and Duvolles.

Devolopers nerf game mechanics so the game is fair and fun for everyone.

Players want game mechanics nerfed so the game is fair and fun for everyone.

Selfish players want game mechanics nerfed so the game is only fair and fun for them.

Which one are you?

Ar users make Lmfao,you have easymode stop crying about weapons that take skill to killed.You should all biomass you character if you can't win with an Ar. I have 0 respect for Ar users that defend the Ar Crutch. Getting non-weapons nerfed didnt make you better then and wont now.You guys are get aim assist ,now you get a button to press your easybutton for you

See where all you bums cry that I am a AR user and try to use that against me I actually use a shotgun. You know a gun that actually takes aim and requires you to HIT your targets.

Any gun you can get kills by MISSING is a crutch.

See where all you bums cry that I am a AR user and try to use that against me I actually use a shotgun. You know a gun that actually takes aim and requires you to HIT your targets.

That's not how the MD or any splash weapon works. (Including grenades) If your target is in the splash, it counts as a hit. It's not a hitscan weapon. I hope one day you can broaden your views a bit, this is getting a bit ridiculous...

You are nobody that I need to prove a point about you go 3-12 in PC matches. You are a non factor. Just because you sucked off Imperfects doesn't make you relevant.

You are nobody that I need to prove a point about you go 3-12 in PC matches. You are a non factor. Just because you sucked off Imperfects doesn't make you relevant.

bringing peoples ability to kill into a discusion to back up your argument is fail.

Lol MD does not require more skill than Shotgun so stop trying.

And you stomped a bunch of newberries right out of the academy in a pub match with a proto caldari logi crutch suit.

I didn't mention shotguns, you did. Hell, the shotgun probably requires the most skill to use anyway with the bad hit detection.

I actually feel stupid after reading this thread. What on earth could have prompted me to think that anything good was going to come out of this. This is raw, unadulterated, "Close-your-eyes-kids" QQ.

You're complaining about a weapon designed for a degree of inaccuracy. If you want to complain, look at Aeon Amadi's post about how MD have broken splash damage right now (TL:DR, they are ignoring shield resistances and not hurting armor enough) or how the damage is spread out over the distance of the explosion (TL:DR, damage ramps up at about half the blast zone (2m) on a Standard MD). If you want to talk about balance, actually read the posts that Semperfi is making, because they make some sense. A lot of sense actually.

But if you want to continue on your crusade to let the community know that you hate DUST and that you want to take all of the crutches down with you, I have a better experiment: count all the times you hit someone dead on with a grenade and send us your kill boards. Until then, pump your breaks and realize that not every weapon that you don't use has a problem or is propping someone up. For once, stop curb stomping Diversity's face and let it grow.


In short: Stop complaining and read all the info out there. Or don't and just stop playing. Either way everyone wins.

Lol how's your corp coming along? Still got dis......nevermind you guys had a pathetic video where you guys killed each other to look further like a joke lmfao. I did what you bum "A teamers" couldn't do.

I'm glad you took the time to quote my post. Maybe now that you've seen it twice you'll actually read and respond. Kinda the point of your Q-I mean constructive criticism right?

As far as the corp is concerned, Its fine actually. I don't think anyone has any regrets. Everyone is relaxed nowadays.Seems like you're the only one who *still* cares. Months after the fact at that. But... it's funny. All of this coming from someone who "Values loyalty above all else".

Anyways, continue your rant.

Edit: Fixed a typo

Using a prototype suit and then saying a weapon is op is out of the question. The survivbility this suit brings is of course going to land you more kill. As a matter of fact I suspect you would have gotten the same amount of kills with an assault rifle. I'll go further, The mass driver does have a tendancy of Kill stealling half dead enemies because of the alfa. This and the fact the your team did comparable to you means that A) you where either all protostomping or B) you where up against academy graduates which now only takes 400WP to get out of.

You argument is flawed. Using a prototype suit does not justify a weapon being OP. And you where using Logistics ck.0 which is prototype level. If you get more kills with a mass driver it just shows how bad a shot you possibly are. I cant count the num ber of times a duvolle assault rifles has not been able to kill my strd suit because of crappy marksmanship, and I'm not talking about me killing them either I have my team for that, I mostly logi.

What I don't understand is how does the SUIT have ANYTHING to do with the weapon's effectiveness? Yes I could do this with a AR a DUVOLLE PROTO AR NOT BASIC AR.

Are you stupid? The suit gives you survivability. I think that directly affects how well you do with a weapon.

Man. I didn't realize AR users, I mean shotgun users, had this big a problem with thinking. (Sorry to the rest of you shotgun users, but Zero here claims to be one of you)

Do you even Dust?

I take offense every time I see "you AR users"

I use the AR.. but I also use the FG , sniper , submachine gun , SCR , MD , recently the shotgun , scrambler pistol , grenades , and this awesome weapon called teamwork

Sorry. Really.

There are exceptions to every stereotype, but the typical AR user is just a brainless run and gun type who rambos in to most battles (even if teamed up), and when his OP AR fails to get the kill for him, he comes and bitches on the forums about whatever the other weapon is.

Clearly not everyone who is specced into ARs fits this mold. Hell, I have specced into it some, but I don't use it as my main.

bull ****, it takes me about 4 shots to kill anyone and to do that I have to be up close, where every red around takes aim. my score tends to be about 3 kills 10 kill assists

LMFAO! So now you are gonna tell ME how I played? LMFAO! Epic!

Point and FACT is you can run and gun "mindlessly" like Rambo with a MD. So stop using that it takes strategy to use as some kind of argument against the "crutch AR" users that use this method.

It is possible with the MD.

Apparently that's the only way you play.

ARs are better at it. They're better at pretty much everything.

AR users consider this technique the height of tactics.

Dust is being dumbed down because of this, AR, mentality.

I would pay attention to this idiotic rant trying to nerf the most balanced weapon in the game, but since you have no video proof that you were using the MD (all you have is number at the scoreboard) which could've been easily faked with a tank, I'm going to ignore your rage thread, and next time I see you I will whip out the trusty O'l freedom.

Spoken like a true ..... If you compare the pics they show it was indeed with favorite weapon being basic MassDriver and than when you look at lobby board the stats are IDENTICAL to the T.
Nice corp btw...

Except you were in proto gear supported by a proto squad. This could be done with any weapon, even the Plasma Cannon.

So lets see it.