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XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:24:00 -
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gbghg wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Don't get too used to your crutch ladies. It's gonna get nerfed. Me being able to dominate with a basic version of this gun is proof. I didn't even take pics of the game I fought a full squad of Nyain San using it I still went 8-2 against their proto ARs. It's a idiot's weapon. The Assault Rifle takes NO SKILL at all to use. It's a crutch. Fixed that for you.
Lol when you win some battles than you can talk. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
154
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:27:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:gbghg wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:gbghg wrote:
That said the M.D. is not OP. Though if you actually think it takes more skill to use, then you don't know how to use it.
Depends on the range, at a certain distance you can't rely on the reticule and have to judge it manually, I'm talking mid to long range here, there's also relative heights to take into account as well, those do take some judging, unlike the AR which is point at target, hold trigger, profit, in every single situation, regardless of position, height, or tactical situation. Couldn't have said it any better With a 5m blast radius.... The bigger the splash the more likely you are to kill yourself in close quarters, it does have a rather sizeable downside.
Lol! All you gotta do is 1 be shield based
2. Jump.
Worked for me I dominated with a basic gun! I am sorry but in no way shape or form should be destroying with a basic weapon no matter what. I promise you that you can't do the same thing with a basic AR real talk.[/quote]
How are you jumping 5+ meters? |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
2999
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:33:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:gbghg wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Don't get too used to your crutch ladies. It's gonna get nerfed. Me being able to dominate with a basic version of this gun is proof. I didn't even take pics of the game I fought a full squad of Nyain San using it I still went 8-2 against their proto ARs. It's a idiot's weapon. The Assault Rifle takes NO SKILL at all to use. It's a crutch. Fixed that for you. Lol when you win some battles than you can talk.
We've won plenty, why do you keep trying to bring corps and PC into it? Maybe it's because you realise how terrible your argument is and your seeking to sustain your little troll thread here by derailing it. I stand by what I said early, it's pathetic and it demeans yourself and your corp. you're actually worsening people's perception of yourself and your corp, but then again I doubt you actually care, you're a wannabe troll after all. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
170
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:35:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:gbghg wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:
That sai. Tis not OP. Though if you actually think it takes more skill to use, then you don't know how to use it.
Depends on the range, at a certain distance you can't rely on the reticule and have to judge it manually, I'm talking mid to long range here, there's also relative heights to take into account as well, those do take some judging, unlike the AR which is point at target, hold trigger, profit, in every single situation, regardless of position, height, or tactical situation. Couldn't have said it any better With a 5m blast radius....
The bigger the splash the more likely you are to kill yourself in close quarters, it does have a rather sizeable downside.
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Lol! All you gotta do is 1 be shield based
2. Jump.
Worked for me I dominated with a basic gun! I am sorry but in no way shape or form should be destroying with a basic weapon no matter what. I promise you that you can't do the same thing with a basic AR real talk.[/quote]
The fk? I see people bpo of the assault rile and get numbers like that. So again you have no argument, real talk. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
950
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:37:00 -
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Ok... wow. Changed the link you provided in OP so that I wasn't on the mobile version of the site, this way I could view the photo in a decent size to see the scores.
Are you ******* kidding me.... you want the MD nerfed because of that score with THAT team? You could have been using sticks and stones and would have gone 20-0.
Let's see:
Nobody team on the other side with mostly randoms - Check
5 man squad of Teamplayers likely using mostly proto gear - Check
Long match of Skirmish or Domination - Check (amount of kills is way above 80 clone OMS)
Wow... just WOW. This is what you base an OP weapon on? I just hope CCP see's your unnecessary call for a nerf for what it is, BS. Try getting a score like that consistently playing solo in ambush, then come back and tell us how OP the MD is. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:38:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Ok... wow. Changed the link you provided in OP so that I wasn't on the mobile version of the site, this way I could view the photo in a decent size to see the scores.
Are you ******* kidding me.... you want the MD nerfed because of that score with THAT team? You could have been using sticks and stones and would have gone 20-0.
Let's see:
Nobody team on the other side with mostly randoms - Check
5 man squad of Teamplayers likely using mostly proto gear - Check
Long match of Skirmish or Domination - Check (amount of kills is way above 80 clone OMS)
Wow... just WOW. This is what you base an OP weapon on? I just hope CCP see's your unnecessary call for a nerf for what it is, BS. Try getting a score like that consistently playing solo in ambush, then come back and tell us how OP the MD is.
I did it against a full squad of Nyain San too..... also using Proto MDs... |
Rugudorull Apophicyria
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocius
22
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:40:00 -
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Just curious, but what do some of the TeamPlayers md specialists (Mcfurious, Fiddle) think about the md? Do they share the same opinion of it being op? When I see players from big corps make a complaint about something do they collectively share the same opinion? |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
17
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:44:00 -
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Hey in that second pic there are people i know on both teams. GUNFALL AND CONSPIRATUS!!! |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:45:00 -
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Rugudorull Apophicyria wrote:Just curious, but what do some of the TeamPlayers md specialists (Mcfurious, Fiddle) think about the md? Do they share the same opinion of it being op? When I see players from big corps make a complaint about something do they collectively share the same opinion?
McFurious wrote:Been using Mass Drivers since closed beta when they were weaker and only had 4 shots. I'm rarely killed by them and I'm gallente. There's only been 2 or 3 players who ever really gave me problems with it. Most of them out there are just flavor of the month players with terrible shots.
I'd start by reducing explosive bonus to armor. I don't see the logic in it being so high. 105% or 110% would be plenty. I'd be fine with it being just 100% I think.
If they're going to nerf the weapon itself (again), go ahead but they need to fix the aiming system back to how it was in Chromosome at least.
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J Lav
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
166
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:45:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:
I was the only one running it to take pics and test it out to prove you guys MD is OP takes no skill.
Are you saying you have no skill?
I will say this, I don't think it's harder to use than a scrambler rifle - which I use 90% of the time. I just think it's different and uses a different play style.
Being able to pick it up and use it well in an established squad doesn't really say much though. If you duplicated the circumstances with just about any other weapon, I would expect similar numbers, because you have a reputation for being skillful players.
The most devastating aspect of the MD seems to be the no-pickup effect of destroying clones. I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that should go away, and instead launch the bodies around like a rag-doll. That at least would be entertaining  |
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
951
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:51:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Ok... wow. Changed the link you provided in OP so that I wasn't on the mobile version of the site, this way I could view the photo in a decent size to see the scores.
Are you ******* kidding me.... you want the MD nerfed because of that score with THAT team? You could have been using sticks and stones and would have gone 20-0.
Let's see:
Nobody team on the other side with mostly randoms - Check
5 man squad of Teamplayers likely using mostly proto gear - Check
Long match of Skirmish or Domination - Check (amount of kills is way above 80 clone OMS)
Wow... just WOW. This is what you base an OP weapon on? I just hope CCP see's your unnecessary call for a nerf for what it is, BS. Try getting a score like that consistently playing solo in ambush, then come back and tell us how OP the MD is. I did it against a full squad of Nyain San too..... also using Proto MDs...
Lets not discount skill and/or team support here. Can you honestly say you couldn't have beat them if you had an AR instead of a MD?
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XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:54:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Ok... wow. Changed the link you provided in OP so that I wasn't on the mobile version of the site, this way I could view the photo in a decent size to see the scores.
Are you ******* kidding me.... you want the MD nerfed because of that score with THAT team? You could have been using sticks and stones and would have gone 20-0.
Let's see:
Nobody team on the other side with mostly randoms - Check
5 man squad of Teamplayers likely using mostly proto gear - Check
Long match of Skirmish or Domination - Check (amount of kills is way above 80 clone OMS)
Wow... just WOW. This is what you base an OP weapon on? I just hope CCP see's your unnecessary call for a nerf for what it is, BS. Try getting a score like that consistently playing solo in ambush, then come back and tell us how OP the MD is. I did it against a full squad of Nyain San too..... also using Proto MDs... Lets not discount skill and/or team support here. Can you honestly say you couldn't have beat them if you had an AR instead of a MD?
Nyain San using MDs no with a AR I could not have beat them back without another MD even if it was just a basic the MD is that much better. The MD vs AR is by no comparison everytime you are 1v1 against any gun you knock the opponents aim off with each MD shot. I guess a vet like you who only uses the hard guns and most skill required weapons like MD would already know this tho 
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McFurious
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:02:00 -
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Rugudorull Apophicyria wrote:Just curious, but what do some of the TeamPlayers md specialists (Mcfurious, Fiddle) think about the md? Do they share the same opinion of it being op? When I see players from big corps make a complaint about something do they collectively share the same opinion?
Xero quoted me. Obviously I don't have much of a problem with the MD as it is now. I just think explosive bonus to armor is way too high in general. Armor tankers are playdough to explosives. Especially heavies who are slow, big targets.
I don't mind if they nerf the blast radius a bit. 4 meters instead of 5 perhaps. Even still, the shield tankers are still going to get jacked by it after a flux with as little armor as they have. I'm surprised they haven't been calling for flux nerfs already. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:14:00 -
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You just proved that you have proto stomp with your top corp squad. Could have done the same or even more kills with an AR. Try going solo next time. Basic MD is ok bit less splash radius and it'll be perfect. The assault MD is the one that's OP.
-XOXO |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
817
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:35:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:So you're saying you can't do that with an AR ? Cause im a religious user of the MD and can do the very same if not better with the AR... Especially with the academy opening the flood gates lately....
Seen that many kills achieved with AR , MD , Shotgun , SCR , HMG , Sniper( once seen one go 63-0) |
Luis rules 1st
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:49:00 -
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Let's be honest it doesn't require skill. two or three members in our corp use it and even they say they don't require to do nothing else but to shoot the randomly.
In a PC match.... if it's a CQC map, you won't get close to them. Or maybe can kill one or two if highly skilled, afetr that, UR as good as dead.
A little out of topic, I've fought agains Xero. Sometimes got them even with an exile, sometimes not even scratching him :P GG's
He's a skilled player, with an OP weapon, well, U saw the results.
I'm not gonna get that sh!+
And my brother, Alex ZX, thinks the same as Xero. He has lvl 1 an he can kill a lot of guys randomly, not even aiming.
THAT IS BROKEN!
How to solve it? reduce the blast radius. Same thing as with the flylock, it requires no skill at all but to shot.
Reduce blast radius
I don't mind at direct damage, it's great
But you cannot reward a player for not making direct hits |
Cat Merc
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
3950
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:05:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I see ARs, HMGs, and (used to see) shotguns get this many kills? Double standard much?
Diffrence is, one is called area denial, one isn't. |
Cat Merc
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
3951
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:09:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss, you started good showing how easy the MD is to use, just like any other weapon....
And then you fell to the trap and started talking nonsense. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:12:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:XeroTheBigBoss, you started good showing how easy the MD is to use, just like any other weapon....
And then you fell to the trap and started talking nonsense.
Even so doesn't erase the POINT of this thread. The MD is easy as hell to use a monkey could use it FACT. Only reason why most these people use it. |
Cobra CLUTCH79
OVERLORDS OF THE ONI SERPENT
27
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:56:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:gbghg wrote:Your right, the MD doesn't require a huge amount of skill, however it still require bucket loads more than the AR which is point and shoot at its most basic. So show me your games with AR. I think half you guys that say AR is a no skill gun are full of it. You guys get smashed with it. If AR is soooooo OP if it's soooooo beastly in your hands why would you use the MD? Makes no sense, your crutch is garbage and will be fixed soon. You will again become irrelevant.
I get in the faces of MD users and lay em down with my GEK.. seems to me they panic when i do that.. break a cripples crutch and they're just a baby with a 5hitty diaper |
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Luis rules 1st
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
14
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:27:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Cat Merc wrote:XeroTheBigBoss, you started good showing how easy the MD is to use, just like any other weapon....
And then you fell to the trap and started talking nonsense. Even so doesn't erase the POINT of this thread. The MD is easy as hell to use a monkey could use it FACT. Only reason why most these people use it.
A BLIND monkey!
Just shoot everywhere in a close area.
Dunno why CCP claimed to have fixed something that was broken. Now it is....
If they want easy kills, better admit it. As simple as that. |
ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:30:00 -
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Damn Xero, 140 replies in just a couple hours. You certainly know how to rile up a crowd lol. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven
EoN.
266
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:49:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Damn Xero, 140 replies in just a couple hours. You certainly know how to rile up a crowd lol.
Yup, I too am just impressed. He really has his trolling style down. He starts off by making a ridiculous statement. Then waits for serious replies to start rolling in. Then rather than responding to replies, he just insults the players and their corps.
I particularly liked the part where he gets to decide who deserves to have an opinion. Classic. |
Cat Merc
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
3951
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:28:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Damn Xero, 140 replies in just a couple hours. You certainly know how to rile up a crowd lol. Yup, I too am just impressed. He really has his trolling style down. He starts off by making a ridiculous statement. Then waits for serious replies to start rolling in. Then rather than responding to replies, he just insults the players and their corps. I particularly liked the part where he gets to decide who deserves to have an opinion. Classic.
Heh.
I miss trolling.
Sadly, the GM's got their eye on me. |
Young-tree
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2013.08.08 13:52:00 -
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Be wary of using a splash weapon - it will ruin ur aim. |
low genius
the sound of freedom
Renegade Alliance
260
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:09:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:gbghg wrote:Your right, the MD doesn't require a huge amount of skill, however it still require bucket loads more than the AR which is point and shoot at its most basic. So show me your games with AR. I think half you guys that say AR is a no skill gun are full of it. You guys get smashed with it. If AR is soooooo OP if it's soooooo beastly in your hands why would you use the MD? Makes no sense, your crutch is garbage and will be fixed soon. You will again become irrelevant.
it's different gameplay. if you can keep the ar user behind cover, you can win. if the ar user charges you, you lose. simple as that. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers
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890
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:17:00 -
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low genius wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:gbghg wrote:Your right, the MD doesn't require a huge amount of skill, however it still require bucket loads more than the AR which is point and shoot at its most basic. So show me your games with AR. I think half you guys that say AR is a no skill gun are full of it. You guys get smashed with it. If AR is soooooo OP if it's soooooo beastly in your hands why would you use the MD? Makes no sense, your crutch is garbage and will be fixed soon. You will again become irrelevant. it's different gameplay. if you can keep the ar user behind cover, you can win. if the ar user charges you, you lose. simple as that.
Not even close. If you keep hitting the charging AR user you knock his aim off with each hit. I won so many 1v2- 1v4 against a lot of guys surrounding me. Sorry but don't get mad at me that MD requires no skill now you feeling butt hurt for using crutches (to those that depend on it to be relevant) |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers
EoN.
691
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:22:00 -
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Come MD user! pull out your standard AR an see if you can do better |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
311
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:25:00 -
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So its ok for an ar to destroy but an explosive weapon that blows flesh from bodies cant destroy? please go back to cod we dont need you ar tryhards. |
Lucifalic
Baked n Loaded
43
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:27:00 -
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I use dragonfly scout.. No dmg mods. Unfortunately lvl 4 in ar (unfortunate cause I never use them ie wasted sp) use the gek. Have lvl 1 md. Do much better with the md... Using a militia or standard ar is even worse. Md for the win. Would love to had md maxed ;) |
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