Your right, the MD doesn't require a huge amount of skill, however it still require bucket loads more than the AR which is point and shoot at its most basic.

Unlike a shotgun

Out of curiosity, what were your corp mates using? Their scores are comparable...

Were you dominating or just stealing kills with spash damage? A squad of Team Players must provide a lot of kill assists....

I see ARs, HMGs, and (used to see) shotguns get this many kills? Double standard much?

whats your opinion on nerfing?

blast radius IMO but i've never used one so I was wondering what you thought

I dont see many of the high power mass drivers being used (the one's with a tight blast radius)

and I think its because its more of a skill shot unlike the ones we keep seeing in our killfeed

Dont know how a kill/death chart of Player in a FULL SQUAD of the BEST CORP (right now) VS blueberryes could provide some objective data on the matter.

So you're saying you can't do that with an AR ? Cause im a religious user of the MD and can do the very same if not better with the AR... Especially with the academy opening the flood gates lately....

To be fair its not really all that amazing. If you are a good player you will wreck with it. If you are up against crappy players you will wreck with it. If the proportions of Armour tankers is higher than shield tankers you will wreck with it. If your squad runs 6 of them you will all wreck with it......

Oh now I see what you mean....

Any weapon that simply requires you aim in the general area of the enemy instead of directly hitting them is inherently going to be easier to use. The same case applies to ridiculous M1 and Core Locus Grenades.

CCP wants to have diverse weaponry in their game but can't seem to find the balance for explosive weapons. First the Flaylock and now this. In a game where poor hit detection means bullets not hitting and this not killing, people will veer towards weapons that don't require you to actually directly hit to do damage. It's a silly mechanic but I guess we just have to deal with it.

Reload after every shot lol funny. Question is went 16-4 using nothing besides the level 3 nova knife. I think it's op because I got a good score with a knife. Ha.

I honestly can't see the first md usage pic... Is that your tv or camera?

Yeah and in that match (while wearing CK0 ) you scored a 13-1 and your AR partner scored a 15.

so it's prove my point. You cant go 32-1 vs good guys.

or am i wrong?

You mentioned me. I feel special, good job. You used the mass driver and got a good match. But again you cant say you got that score wity the mass driver alone. What suit you used? Did you use mods? All of this account a for your survivability. What did your team look like and what did the reds look like? You're ignoring these factors. What map was it etc. this is was a good attempt. Just because you had a good score doesn't mean it's op. Just mean you're a skilled player in which I congrats you. But I've went 28-4 a few times with tac ar. I went 16 and 4 with a damn nove knife. I even got pictures

I'm just glad your shotgun still takes so much skill. And it's not like the militia variant is effective at all.

Relevant? Are you still going on about that? Dude, please stop, it's getting pathetic, is your ego so small that you must cling to the fact that pretty much everyone else (corp and alliance wise) just went "meh, **** PC" and that you grabbed the undefended districts? It's getting pathetic, your just insulting yourself now.

Wait are we not relevant because we don't scam small corps by attacking their districts after you sell to them or because we don't share the same idiotic opinion as you?

Couldn't have said it any better

All you've proven is TeamPlayers is full of a bunch of whiny circlejerking nolifers.

Try using that MD in a PC match and see what happens.

Fixed that for you.

Ok... wow. Changed the link you provided in OP so that I wasn't on the mobile version of the site, this way I could view the photo in a decent size to see the scores.

Are you ******* kidding me.... you want the MD nerfed because of that score with THAT team? You could have been using sticks and stones and would have gone 20-0.

Let's see:

Nobody team on the other side with mostly randoms - Check
5 man squad of Teamplayers likely using mostly proto gear - Check
Long match of Skirmish or Domination - Check (amount of kills is way above 80 clone OMS)

Wow... just WOW. This is what you base an OP weapon on? I just hope CCP see's your unnecessary call for a nerf for what it is, BS. Try getting a score like that consistently playing solo in ambush, then come back and tell us how OP the MD is.

Just curious, but what do some of the TeamPlayers md specialists (Mcfurious, Fiddle) think about the md? Do they share the same opinion of it being op? When I see players from big corps make a complaint about something do they collectively share the same opinion?

Been using Mass Drivers since closed beta when they were weaker and only had 4 shots. I'm rarely killed by them and I'm gallente. There's only been 2 or 3 players who ever really gave me problems with it. Most of them out there are just flavor of the month players with terrible shots.

I'd start by reducing explosive bonus to armor. I don't see the logic in it being so high. 105% or 110% would be plenty. I'd be fine with it being just 100% I think.

If they're going to nerf the weapon itself (again), go ahead but they need to fix the aiming system back to how it was in Chromosome at least.

Lets not discount skill and/or team support here. Can you honestly say you couldn't have beat them if you had an AR instead of a MD?

XeroTheBigBoss, you started good showing how easy the MD is to use, just like any other weapon....
And then you fell to the trap and started talking nonsense.

it's different gameplay. if you can keep the ar user behind cover, you can win. if the ar user charges you, you lose. simple as that.

Come MD user! pull out your standard AR an see if you can do better

I use dragonfly scout.. No dmg mods. Unfortunately lvl 4 in ar (unfortunate cause I never use them ie wasted sp) use the gek. Have lvl 1 md. Do much better with the md... Using a militia or standard ar is even worse. Md for the win. Would love to had md maxed ;)

Damn Xero, 140 replies in just a couple hours. You certainly know how to rile up a crowd lol.

Mass driver requires more skill to use than a assault rifle. Just saying, don't troll you might fail.

I'm sorry, but anyone who talks like this about the Mass Driver just has absolutely no clue what they're talking about. No, splash damage should not be a 'Consolation Prize'. Decent splash damage is the only reason anyone uses this weapon at all. If you were not able to kill people with the splash damage, no one would ever use the Mass Driver, period.

The Mass Driver is not like an AR. You do not point-and-click, and get an instant automatic hit if you're on target. The projectiles have a long travel time and fire at an arc. Because of this, there is no way that anyone ever goes around getting 100% direct hits. Yes, I almost always go for splash damage because that is the only thing that is practical. But even then, at any significant distance, or anything other than the optimal situation for the MD, it is difficult to hit with the splash damage.

So please just stop, all you're doing in continually proving how clueless you are about this situation.

....to a lesser degree, yes. But it still is not a hitscan weapon. And it still fires at an arc

I really wish some of you rampant sh!t talkers about the MD would try it, and please let me know how simple it is to run around getting direct hits 100% of the time.

Here's a strange thought: What if... all the weapons we had were as effective as the MD and AR? Would anyone really give a crap over what's OP and who's using what?

So what's next? Let's say CCP ignores all the statistics they follow and give in to a bunch of kneejerk reactions and something like the plasma canon or laser become widely used? You run your usual "tactics" of meeting everything head on, only to get popped and melted by squads of lasers and plasma cannons? You going to cry about those next?

This scenario is part of what is causing Dust to be less successful than it could be.

Instead of forcing players to learn tactics, CCP keeps pandering to the lowest common denominators (AR users) that just run and gun like idiots, and we have a less tactical, more dumbed down game because of it.

The idea that the MD gives OHKs is stupid. Splash damage - the most complained about feature from the AR idiots - will net about 160 to 180 pts damage max.

The AR is, far and away, the best weapon in the game. It's already dominating, and it needs fixed, whereas people who kill with the MD would kill you 3 times as fast with the AR.

The MD is harder to use than the AR.

Who the hell decides what's a crutch and what's not? You swear by a hitscan full auto weapon that only has one other useful varint. I'd rather see everything be effective instead of us all being limited to one thing. You don't give two ****s about balance, let's call a spade a spade here. People like you with your condescending attitude towards your own community, holding up virtual prestige in a video game are going to be the death of this game. But at least it looks like CCP isn't giving in since the MD didn't make the feedback page for the second week in a row since this QQ started. Lets hope they follow this trend and get something more on the kill feed than GEKs and Duvolles.

Devolopers nerf game mechanics so the game is fair and fun for everyone.

Players want game mechanics nerfed so the game is fair and fun for everyone.

Selfish players want game mechanics nerfed so the game is only fair and fun for them.

Which one are you?

Ar users make Lmfao,you have easymode stop crying about weapons that take skill to killed.You should all biomass you character if you can't win with an Ar. I have 0 respect for Ar users that defend the Ar Crutch. Getting non-weapons nerfed didnt make you better then and wont now.You guys are get aim assist ,now you get a button to press your easybutton for you

That's not how the MD or any splash weapon works. (Including grenades) If your target is in the splash, it counts as a hit. It's not a hitscan weapon. I hope one day you can broaden your views a bit, this is getting a bit ridiculous...

bringing peoples ability to kill into a discusion to back up your argument is fail.

And you stomped a bunch of newberries right out of the academy in a pub match with a proto caldari logi crutch suit.

I didn't mention shotguns, you did. Hell, the shotgun probably requires the most skill to use anyway with the bad hit detection.

I actually feel stupid after reading this thread. What on earth could have prompted me to think that anything good was going to come out of this. This is raw, unadulterated, "Close-your-eyes-kids" QQ.

You're complaining about a weapon designed for a degree of inaccuracy. If you want to complain, look at Aeon Amadi's post about how MD have broken splash damage right now (TL:DR, they are ignoring shield resistances and not hurting armor enough) or how the damage is spread out over the distance of the explosion (TL:DR, damage ramps up at about half the blast zone (2m) on a Standard MD). If you want to talk about balance, actually read the posts that Semperfi is making, because they make some sense. A lot of sense actually.

But if you want to continue on your crusade to let the community know that you hate DUST and that you want to take all of the crutches down with you, I have a better experiment: count all the times you hit someone dead on with a grenade and send us your kill boards. Until then, pump your breaks and realize that not every weapon that you don't use has a problem or is propping someone up. For once, stop curb stomping Diversity's face and let it grow.


In short: Stop complaining and read all the info out there. Or don't and just stop playing. Either way everyone wins.

I'm glad you took the time to quote my post. Maybe now that you've seen it twice you'll actually read and respond. Kinda the point of your Q-I mean constructive criticism right?

As far as the corp is concerned, Its fine actually. I don't think anyone has any regrets. Everyone is relaxed nowadays.Seems like you're the only one who *still* cares. Months after the fact at that. But... it's funny. All of this coming from someone who "Values loyalty above all else".

Anyways, continue your rant.

Edit: Fixed a typo

Using a prototype suit and then saying a weapon is op is out of the question. The survivbility this suit brings is of course going to land you more kill. As a matter of fact I suspect you would have gotten the same amount of kills with an assault rifle. I'll go further, The mass driver does have a tendancy of Kill stealling half dead enemies because of the alfa. This and the fact the your team did comparable to you means that A) you where either all protostomping or B) you where up against academy graduates which now only takes 400WP to get out of.

You argument is flawed. Using a prototype suit does not justify a weapon being OP. And you where using Logistics ck.0 which is prototype level. If you get more kills with a mass driver it just shows how bad a shot you possibly are. I cant count the num ber of times a duvolle assault rifles has not been able to kill my strd suit because of crappy marksmanship, and I'm not talking about me killing them either I have my team for that, I mostly logi.

Are you stupid? The suit gives you survivability. I think that directly affects how well you do with a weapon.

Man. I didn't realize AR users, I mean shotgun users, had this big a problem with thinking. (Sorry to the rest of you shotgun users, but Zero here claims to be one of you)

Sorry. Really.

There are exceptions to every stereotype, but the typical AR user is just a brainless run and gun type who rambos in to most battles (even if teamed up), and when his OP AR fails to get the kill for him, he comes and bitches on the forums about whatever the other weapon is.

Clearly not everyone who is specced into ARs fits this mold. Hell, I have specced into it some, but I don't use it as my main.

bull ****, it takes me about 4 shots to kill anyone and to do that I have to be up close, where every red around takes aim. my score tends to be about 3 kills 10 kill assists

It is possible with the MD.

Apparently that's the only way you play.

ARs are better at it. They're better at pretty much everything.

AR users consider this technique the height of tactics.

Dust is being dumbed down because of this, AR, mentality.

I would pay attention to this idiotic rant trying to nerf the most balanced weapon in the game, but since you have no video proof that you were using the MD (all you have is number at the scoreboard) which could've been easily faked with a tank, I'm going to ignore your rage thread, and next time I see you I will whip out the trusty O'l freedom.

Except you were in proto gear supported by a proto squad. This could be done with any weapon, even the Plasma Cannon.

Actaul, meaninful information has already been collected for you, try to keep up:


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678

and:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=94246

Obviously CCP has better data.