But you won't see as many since most of the playerbase is medium suits. But omg these are soooooo OP. Increase the charge up time or something CCP!!!!

#lolForgeGuns

-XOXO

if you don't stand still then forge guns won't be OP.

Meh it doesn't matter. The proto assault can be spammed so easily you can get the kill by splash damage.

-XOXO

I thought MD were FotM?

No, wait, it was AR's!

Er, no... maybe it was ScR?

Assault forge guns take the most skill out of all of the forge guns. Need to time your shot perfectly.

Seen a recent thread calling for the nerfing of nades

Assault Forge Guns are just roided Plasma Cannons. Easier than the PC even.

Added note to keep in mind: I prefer the standard FG to the Assault. Preference to Plasma Cannon instead of Assault FG. In short: Cool spam, bro.

Come on, my dropship hates forge guns, but they aren't a FoTM.

The assault is powerful, but forgegunners have to give up the ability to hold their shots in.

I've killed with the splash of a militia forge gun several times before

Your argument is now invalid

But you won't see as many since most of the playerbase is medium suits. But omg these are soooooo OP. Increase the charge up time or something CCP!!!!

#lolForgeGuns

inb4 Forge Guns are fine

inb4 heavies are weak

-XOXO

FG's havent changed since way back in Beta... like... at all...

If you have 6 fg's stacked against you of course your going to have a bad time... same as any other weapon.

lol

Forge guns FOTM? You're joking. Using those effectively requires a ton more SP.

funny how the forge has been the 1 weapon that has not changed in over a year, been no complaints about it, and now all of a sudden people are using it in pubs and its deemed OP


yes its a VERY strong weapon

with a 2.5s time PER SHOT

4 shots

direct hit is a kill

splash takes 2-4 shots to kill

yes ANY forge melts vehicles, especially at range

forgers up high now place more weight on snipers, just think if just 10% of redline sniping scrubs would point that rifle where it should be, picking off people on roofs etc.

the reason for any talk of this is cause getting up high with a forge allows you to shoot freely and even a blind monkey will luck out and get a kill

ESPECIALLY when the idiots on the other team throw down an uplink in the open and morons keep spawning like its feeding time at the zoo...

I wish this game tracked player accuracy cause you would quickly see how difficult the forge is and would instantly stop this discussion

2.5 seconds with no SP invested, right?

How greatly is that damage raised and charge time lowered with skills? Mods.

Assault forge guns take the most skill out of all of the forge guns. Need to time your shot perfectly.

people not noticing something or not using it DOES NOT MEAN it is not overpowered. What is hard to understand about this concept?

explain it to me.



Logically, if there exists a GodSuit but nobody uses it because they don't know how easy it is OR don't like the frame size and never bothered to try, or don't like the style, or feel it is too OP... The fact that few people use it changes nothing about it being OP.


If nobody had used flaylocks would they have Not been OP?
If few people had used tanks, TAC ARs, or lasers in prior builds, would they have not been OP?

CCP only looks and cares about numbers. But numbers do not define OP, they only sometimes indicate a symptom.
Mechanics make something OP.

You know what the hell I'm going to spam now? Scrambler Pistol. Let's bring Scrambler weapons back into the spam section.

Added note: Seriously. It's like people forgot how victimizing the Scrambler Pistol actually is.

2.5 seconds with no SP invested, right?

How greatly is that damage raised and charge time lowered with skills? Mods.

when I get home later I'll try to look all this up and make an accurate post. not gonna ballpark this and get even more crying over it

It's like 1.75 seconds per shot or something like that.

Changes the FG needs:

Slightly more shake on charge up (this I'm not positive of, the Assault can be tough to use on moving targets as is, but it might be fine)

Assault FG damage swapped with Normal FG damage (lower base damage, higher overall because of RoF)

Slightly less splash radius

Damage decay on projectile, to help dropships, punish FG sniping, and discourage camping.

It's like 1.75 seconds per shot or something like that.

Changes the FG needs:

Slightly more shake on charge up (this I'm not positive of, the Assault can be tough to use on moving targets as is, but it might be fine)

Assault FG damage swapped with Normal FG damage (lower base damage, higher overall because of RoF)

Slightly less splash radius

Damage decay on projectile, to help dropships, punish FG sniping, and discourage camping.

Why don't you try FG sniping; just buy a militia FG and a militia Heavy Dropsuit, come on, try it.

I've been a dedicated forge gunner for over 6 months on and off.

I know all too well how easy FG sniping is.

Why the **** do you keep on reposting this thread over and over again?

Why don't you try FG sniping; just buy a militia FG and a militia Heavy Dropsuit, come on, try it. Lets see if its really as easy as you think; squad up with some known FG users that post on the forum and see if you do nearly as weel as 'em.

Why punish FG sniping

What the ****? why punish FG sniping?

If they're good enough to get you from with them then they often more than not, deserve it...

Why the **** do you keep on reposting this thread over and over again?

Why don't you try FG sniping; just buy a militia FG and a militia Heavy Dropsuit, come on, try it. Lets see if its really as easy as you think; squad up with some known FG users that post on the forum and see if you do nearly as weel as 'em.

This thing shouldn't even have a militia version

I've been a dedicated forge gunner for over 6 months on and off.

I know all too well how easy FG sniping is.

No, no it should not.

having elevation makes forging considerably easier than a lot of things.

on even ground or up close this is extremely difficult

it seems split between mass drivers and forge guns atm.

ar's can never be flavour FOTM, they are the flavour.

why don't you QQers just get a militia heavy suit and a militia forge gun. then you can forge gun the forge gunners. if it's so easy to use then you should have no problems ridding the battlefield of the enemy forge gunners.

why don't you QQers just get a militia heavy suit and a militia forge gun. then you can forge gun the forge gunners. if it's so easy to use then you should have no problems ridding the battlefield of the enemy forge gunners.

Meh it doesn't matter. The proto assault can be spammed so easily you can get the kill by splash damage.

-XOXO

I mean, the issue is pretty simple.

Heavies lack content. You guys have one anti infantry weapon and one anti vehicle weapon. Yet, somehow, the anti-vehicle weapon is more effective and harder to counter than the actual anti-infantry weapon.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to get infantry kills with the Forge gun. But it should be harder to do so because One hit kills are not fun. There is no counterplay involved in this exchange.

One hit killing someone with a forge gun should be awesome and full of lols. But now, multiple people will spawn in a match, with the sole purpose of racking up infantry kills with the forge gun.

Something needs to be changed, and as it's already been stated several times in this thread: Just give it more shake/vibration when charging.

Come on, my dropship hates forge guns, but they aren't a FoTM.

The assault is powerful, but forgegunners have to give up the ability to hold their shots in.

The forge gun is HALF of the heavy weapons in this game. Can't blame heavy weapon users of getting tired of the HMG for a little bit.

As much as I hate the instagib nature of the FG you can't really nerf its anti infantry capabilties, its pretty much all they have.

Sigh stop there. The forge gun IS NOT A ANTI VEHICLE WEAPON. ITS A ANTI MATTER WEAPON. READ THE DESCRIPTION PLEASE. ITS ANTI MATTER MEANING INSTALLATIONS, VEHICLES AND INFANTRY. BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT GETS IN ITS SIGHT.

Okaaaayy.... Semantics aside.....

My point still stands. From a gameplay perspective (not lore) the frequency of one shot kills the Forges are able to achieve are still subject to debate.

The with an increase in shakiness when charging, you can still get off "BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT GETS IN ITS SIGHT". It just won't be as easy to do so against infantry targets. If you want to kill infantry, get an HMG. If the HMG is subpar, then you need to provide feedback for the devs (I have not played with hmgs in uprising yet)

Assault forge guns take the most skill out of all of the forge guns. Need to time your shot perfectly.

Okaaaayy.... Semantics aside.....

My point still stands. From a gameplay perspective (not lore) the frequency of one shot kills the Forges are able to achieve are still subject to debate.

The with an increase in shakiness when charging, you can still get off "BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT GETS IN ITS SIGHT". It just won't be as easy to do so against infantry targets. If you want to kill infantry, get an HMG. If the HMG is subpar, then you need to provide feedback for the devs (I have not played with hmgs in uprising yet)

We really need more types of heavy weapons...

Okaaaayy.... Semantics aside.....

My point still stands. From a gameplay perspective (not lore) the frequency of one shot kills the Forges are able to achieve are still subject to debate.

The with an increase in shakiness when charging, you can still get off "BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT GETS IN ITS SIGHT". It just won't be as easy to do so against infantry targets. If you want to kill infantry, get an HMG. If the HMG is subpar, then you need to provide feedback for the devs (I have not played with hmgs in uprising yet)

My mouse doesn't have vibration built in...

Hardcore need more.

In fact... as sad this is going to sound. I think heavies should have a dedicated AI Forge gun, and it should be the assault forge gun.

Increased clip size to 6 or 8, lower damage to around 300 and reduce charge time to ~1.5s after passives.

Splash radius 4m(ish?), optimal range 80m or so, effective range out to 140m(ish?)

It'll be the Heavy Sniper Rifle. heavies aren't going to ever get many heavy weapons, so the ones they have should perform as well as possible.

This would help with how powerful the AFG is against vehicles, OP imho.

Hardcore need more.

In fact... as sad this is going to sound. I think heavies should have a dedicated AI Forge gun, and it should be the assault forge gun.

Increased clip size to 6 or 8, lower damage to around 300 and reduce charge time to ~1.5s after passives.

Splash radius 4m(ish?), optimal range 80m or so, effective range out to 140m(ish?)

It'll be the Heavy Sniper Rifle. heavies aren't going to ever get many heavy weapons, so the ones they have should perform as well as possible.

This would help with how powerful the AFG is against vehicles, OP imho.

This is actually an interesting idea. That way, if a heavy wants to be able to one shot anything more than a scout suit, it will have to land a headshot. This is a good idea.

yeah... also means you cant one shot in close range. Makes it the long range weapon its supposed to be. In close range you get a fancy ASMG and you're gtg

If you get killed by a forge in close range you deserve to die. It's extremely hard to pull that off. I've done it but I stick to cover and still had my fair share being killed by ars and other shyt. Seriously you guys really have no valid argument.

yeah... also means you cant one shot in close range. Makes it the long range weapon its supposed to be. In close range you get a fancy ASMG and you're gtg

Ummmm.....NO to this. Higher Damage + Faster. Charge-Up = Alpha Imbalance Variant. As for not being able to Hold a Charge Playing "Taps" (Hold R1, Release @ Near-Full, Repeat) Nullifies this. Everyone overlooks this b/c either they are Bad @ FG or want to Hide/Keep OP "Variant" for EZ-Mode vs Vehicles & Infantry. You have been learned

I've played enough with FGs and getting a one shot kill at 20m is not that hard. The hit box is gigantic.

Assault forge guns take the most skill out of all of the forge guns. Need to time your shot perfectly.

FG's havent changed since way back in Beta... like... at all...

If you have 6 fg's stacked against you of course your going to have a bad time... same as any other weapon.

But you won't see as many since most of the playerbase is medium suits. But omg these are soooooo OP. Increase the charge up time or something CCP!!!!

#lolForgeGuns

inb4 Forge Guns are fine

inb4 heavies are weak

-XOXO

Glad to see So many people BITCHING about the one weapon in my arsenal that CCP hasn't Nerf Hammered yet. They got My Suit, My Sidearm, and My Grenades.

Lets just go ahead and make the heavies an infantry class instead of a mobile artillery class. Because that would make sense, apparently.

As for Shaking? It does
Scope? None
Iron Sights? None
Annoying Glow during charge? Yup
Low Clip size? Yup


As an accomplished Forge Gunner I out live my ammo capacity for all my weapons in most matches, how many FoTM AR activists can say the same? I am still forced to rely on Logies (not a bad thing, but solo play is out) For ammo because heavies can't have heavy weaps and equip slots on the same build (everyone has Equip Slots)

If you want to change an aspect of the game, how 'bout making the MD a heavy weapon so you don't have Douches sitting on Hives spamming nades into a crowd? Talk about being "Splashed to death."

This game isn't about being totally and evenly matched in a firefight, CCP has proven that. It's about making your mark, and if you can't, you can't.

But don't QQ and ask for all you enemies to be nerfed, Like praying to the Gods for victory in battle 'cos your too weak.

Honestly the ishukone company should put out a special combo package.. ishukone forge/submachine gun for 1 Low price

Cause that combo is magical :P

I thought MD were FotM?

No, wait, it was AR's!

Er, no... maybe it was ScR?

Apparently everything is OP at the moment. This means CCP did a good job with balancing. Now that this is out of the way they can focus on new content.

it seems split between mass drivers and forge guns atm.

ar's can never be flavour FOTM, they are the flavour.

Ammo capacity does not balance DPS, or in this case, insta kills.

Heavies ARE an infantry class. Mobile artillery wtf....

You are overreacting, we just want to at least prevent scrubs from sitting high on towers and insta killing the ants below them.

But you won't see as many since most of the playerbase is medium suits. But omg these are soooooo OP. Increase the charge up time or something CCP!!!!

#lolForgeGuns

inb4 Forge Guns are fine

inb4 heavies are weak

-XOXO

No, it doesn't But Forge guns are designed for AV, and we get A LOT more points for going that route, if N00bs wanna sit up high and snipe the whole match, call me, I'll take care of it.

Don't like Forge gunners? Put one in your squad- Problem solved

That is not how counterplay works.

ok i can't find my original post so I'll just repost the numbers. (in damage per second) remember when stacking mods the effectis of the additional mods are as folows: second mod has 75% of its actual vale, 3rd 50%. to test put shield hardeners on a tank and look at the resistance numbers)

militia AR numbers shown = 425dps
" with the bonus 10% all weapons recieved = 467.5 <<< actual base damage
" with 15% proficiiecny = 538 (this is already more than enough to drop every suit in the game under 2.2 seconds)
" " 1 basic damage mod = 481
" " " 2 basic damage mods = 490
" " " " 1 enhanced damage mod = 490
" " " " " 2 enhanced damage mods = 504 (this drops your average suit in 1 second)
" " " " " " 1 complex damage mod = 514 (an unmodded heavy will die in 2 seconds)
" " " " " " " 2 complex damage mods = 546
" " " " " " " " 3 complex damage mods = 569.74

1 complex mod and proficiecny 15% = 591 (approaching HMG damage)
2 complex mods and proficiceny 15% = 628 (dayum!)
3 complex mods and proficiceny 15% = 655 dps (holy shi...)

PROTO basic
heavy ehp base = 800
heavy with with shield and armor bonus to lvl5 = 1012 ehp
with 2 proto shield extenders = +145.2 shield (the shield skill at lvl5 gives 10%to shields)
with 3 complex armor plates = +379.5 armor (the armor skill at lvl5 gives 10% to armor)
total ehp = 1536.7

PROTO sentinel
base ehp = 800
with shield and armor bonus to lvl5 = 1012 ehp
with 1 proto shield extenders = +72.6 shield (the shield skill at lvl5 gives 10%to shields)
with 4 complex armor plates = +506 armor (the armor skill at lvl5 gives 10% to armor)
total ehp = 1590.6

you can divide the ehps by the dps to find out how many seconds it takes to kill the heavies but ill do an example.

milita AR with its actual dps of 467. proto sentiel heavy, the alleged point defense king... lets see:
1590.6/467 = 3.4 seconds of fire.

how many bullets did he waste? lets see.
1590/34 = 47 bullets.


A fully decked out proto scout with up to 400 ehp survives .85 seconds.

yup and why are their 6 forgeguns because its FOTM and its Op and assholes like to take advantage of OP weapons.

Lol how is that imbalanced? Again if you get killed by a forge gun it means you stood still long enough for him to charge his gun adjust his aim and fire. That's pretty sad. You're the one who want easy mode, you rather stand still aim and shoot right?
You over look the fact that he has to time lead if it'd a moving target you over look the fact that the gun requires a lot of skill to use. It isn't just a aim and shoot like the ar. Quit ignoring this. Stop being so bad. The forge gun isn't a noob tube or a easy button. its hard to use. Even forge gun sniping takes skill. If a weapon requires so much work suck as using a drop ship, a team mate to give you ammo and the functions of the gun itself such as charge, lead to hit moving targets etc. How is that OP? It's just a effective tactic. What's stopping you from taking him out? Use a sniper? Use team work, use a sniper. Use a milita forge gun. Drop a OB on him. Or use a damn drop ship. It's easy ffs. And if a forge gunner is on the ground he's extremely vulnerable. Like seriously. But again all you want is easy mode and try to point out things that really doesn't have any valid points.

You are so Irrelevant.....it hurts. Free Suit, Nanohive, Uplink (If Minnie SVER BPO Unlocked even better), Dropship, Recall, Jump, Dampen, Supply Depot Suit Swap (Pure Free), Suicide, WIN DUST. You may even Skip the last 3 Steps before Suicide to save Time. As for Countering Height w/ a FG or Dropship??? FG shooting Up @ Peek-A-Boo AFGer = Wasted Effort. & countering AFG w/ a Dropship is "EASY"??? Don't you mean...LOLImpossible??? I said AFG Variant is OP, not FG in General. You are simply Terrible @ Reading/Comprehension. BTW you are also Irrelevant.....I am a Tanker, so.....try again

Hmm... I kinda want to play against you; to see if my tanks can survive it and still kill you.

But you won't see as many since most of the playerbase is medium suits. But omg these are soooooo OP. Increase the charge up time or something CCP!!!!

#lolForgeGuns

inb4 Forge Guns are fine

inb4 heavies are weak

-XOXO

Short answer...highly unlikely

Depends on the situation but i have not met a tanker that doesn't lose his hardware against me.

Legend is the hardest, and nakaya indegine is the most slippery, but I have not met anyone that can elude me.

And now im perfecting the kamikaze av brigade for u redline tankers :P

Actually I was talking about the assault forge gun. Read the title of this thread. Sad. Again you're a tanker crying forge gun oh I'm sorry let me say the assault forge gun because it seems you can't put 1 and 1 together. You're a tanker ? You can kill any infantry with ease. You run into one gun that can rival you if he's good. And you cry OP? You my friend just prove that this just a QQ thread. Basically the easiest way to kill a tank is from a high point if using a forge gun because the tank moves faster than a heavy. Try chasing a tank.... takes forever. I've done it. So you get mad because you can't kill that forger? What happened to the rest of the team? They can't take him out for you . Most tankers can get enough wp alone to get a ob. Drop it on him or if you're in a sqaud wp isn't a issue so ob him if your team sucks that bad that it can't take him down. Lol pathetic

Heh, fine then; I'll just kill you using a FG

Hardcore need more.

In fact... as sad this is going to sound. I think heavies should have a dedicated AI Forge gun, and it should be the assault forge gun.

Increased clip size to 6 or 8, lower damage to around 300 and reduce charge time to ~1.5s after passives.

Splash radius 4m(ish?), optimal range 80m or so, effective range out to 140m(ish?)

It'll be the Heavy Sniper Rifle. heavies aren't going to ever get many heavy weapons, so the ones they have should perform as well as possible.

This would help with how powerful the AFG is against vehicles, OP imho.

That would be fine, if you could use it with enough skill to best us. I invite any and all to use the forge gun, it's not OP it's not the FoTM. It IS effective in the right hands.

This is a PvP game not your Cod-bag PvE shooters, we are ALL smarter than In game AI we see you coming we hear about it from our squad mates use your skills to kill us in return don't whine cos "this games too hard D,X"

Are you there again Princess? As a non-stop Heavy I've been using the Forge Gun a lot since the open beta, don't go whining about it. The thing that has been improved is the hit detection for the splash damage.
The charge-up of 1-1,5sec makes it almost impossible to use in mid-range, close-range brawls. Only good positioning and a careful aim/tracking eye makes the gun OP. I think it may be 'OP' if you try to get a vantage point and have trained to use a Forge Gun properly. Go ask my other Forge Gun buddies in TUL to confirm!

That would be fine, if you could use it with enough skill to best us. I invite any you and all to use the forge gun, it's not OP it's not the FoTM. It IS effective in the right hands.

This is a PvP game not your Cod-bag PvE shooters, we are ALL smarter than In game AI we see you coming we hear about it from our squad mates use your skills to kill us in return don't whine cos "this games too hard D,X"

Thankfully, CCP views Forge Guns as "a-ok" and will not be tweaking them anytime soon.

Don't get your hopes up, They said the same of the Flaylocks, then they nerfed them and Proto Contact Nades

Damage decay on projectile, to help dropships, punish FG sniping, and discourage camping.

I have. to say...CCP should remove all the Assault variants since they're clearly better than the basic gun in every way. The only one that sucks is the assault variant of the HMG for an unknown reason. But all others, especially the MD and FG variants, are high DPS, spam-friendly weapons with no obvious drawbacks.

Basic and breach FG are ok. The basic has long charge time which makes it weak at CQC, and gives tanks enough time to take cover. With this one you actually have to aim and make that shot count. The long charge time makes it balanced. The assault is the spam fest win by splash noob tube. Same thing with the assault MD. Higher clip and RPM, lmao.

-XOXO

Lets nerf anything that isnt an AR and give ARs infinate range!

Get over yourselfs guys, seriously. MD's Flaylocks, Yeah, lets nerf em because EVERYONE uses them, and you dont need to skill into them much to be lethal. Forge guns take skill. not like the MD's that spray and pray. Evidently you guys misunderstand the point of "point defense" in the Heavy classes description. you want to whine about anything, give the HMG a dmg boost to be able to withstand proto AR users.

Quit whining because your duvolle got beat by another weapon.

Flay locks suck. Mass drivers isn't spray and pray. Assault rifle is.

Okay...so Forges are OP because why again?
Because they instant kill you?
Because they can hit you from a distance and you have no idea where they are?

Like snipers are any different...
-_-

Let me explain something. With a forge, you have to get within AR range of players to aim the thing properly. With a forge, you have to constantly retreat back to ammo. With a forge, you have to be smart. With a forge, you have no other ways of getting points besides kills and vehicle/installation destruction (unless you decide to go hack something)

Forges are basically snipers that you can still shoot at, oh and they have lots of health.

The problem with forges is that instead of snipers who have a small "shot" that misses easily, forges have a large "shot" that does 1200++ damage. The size of the actual projectile is what needs to be changed. I still like the "ball" that they shoot now, but it makes the gun way too easy to get direct hits with.

This is the primary difference between the plasma cannon, mass driver, and forge. Direct hits should be hard to get unless you're lucky, not easy because you're shooting a giant ball at someone.

I am tain now that you are actually performing satire right now.

You are portraying a textbook example of a scrub who can't aim.

Bravo.

I don't think there's really anything wrong with the FGs.

But FGs have changed, remember the Christmas tree charging? Removal of this was a huge buff to forge guns. Rendering changes also helped the Forge guns because they tied it so awkwardly to different weapons.

Forge guns are just too easy to take advantage of. While they can be difficult to aim and hit it's very easy to get on a tall roof that is unscalable. One cannot get on top of the roof to face them in any practical manner and is very much the equivalent to redline sniping... extremely cheap.

Why do we have unscalable buildings at all? At least make them destructable. But this is more of a poor map design issue than a FG issue.

Flay locks suck. Mass drivers isn't spray and pray. Assault rifle is.

lol, Flaylocks don't suck, they're working as intended, as a sidearm. Something tells me you're a FOTM scrub who got his little toy nerfed and now has found a one. Well guess what baby this one will get nerfed pretty soon as more people start using it for easy peasy kills. :P

-XOXO

You just admitted its easy to get up there so what's stopping the other team from doing so lol

Are you serious? Are you completely oblivious to the fact that the forge gunner is going to two shot the dropship? If a forge gunner gets up to a tower first, the only counter to that is synchronized headshot sniping(lol), Precision Strike or another forge gun (which we already established was not a sufficient counter).



Also, lol at your wall of text earlier.

I have yet to see one logical post on how anyone can call AFGs OP because they can 1-shot infantry

Hello? Do you really think, putting aside all your nerdy fanboy stat BS, that if anyone has a weapon that is DESIGNED for killing tanks regardless of charge time DPS or anything else, that if you get hit with it, it should somehow magically not blow you off the map?


I personally Just want to see CCP add in Gore and Dismemberment to the game so all your teammates can see you QQ right before you Pop like an overripe zit all over the map cos you stood still too long or weren't paying attention to your surroundings.

I know and completely agree. The vanilla and breach version do it very good and it's balanced. The assault version is the one being abused and deserving of nerf. Should get removed from game imo.

-XOXO

When 99% of forge gun users are using the assault, that sort of makes you wonder if they didn't screw up weapon balance / diversification in design

lol no, the charge up time is so small on the proto you just aim and shoot and spam. Very easy.

-XOXO

I have yet to see one logical post on how anyone can call AFGs OP because they can 1-shot infantry

Hello? Do you really think, putting aside all your nerdy fanboy stat BS, that if anyone has a weapon that is DESIGNED for killing tanks regardless of charge time DPS or anything else, that if you get hit with it, it should somehow magically not blow you off the map?


I personally Just want to see CCP add in Gore and Dismemberment to the game so all your teammates can see you QQ right before you Pop like an overripe zit all over the map cos you stood still too long or weren't paying attention to your surroundings.

I know and completely agree. The vanilla and breach version do it very good and it's balanced. The assault version is the one being abused and deserving of nerf. Should get removed from game imo.

-XOXO

Change the size of the forge gun ball and everything will be balanced.

We're done here.

if you don't stand still then forge guns won't be OP.