That is not how counterplay works.

ok i can't find my original post so I'll just repost the numbers. (in damage per second) remember when stacking mods the effectis of the additional mods are as folows: second mod has 75% of its actual vale, 3rd 50%. to test put shield hardeners on a tank and look at the resistance numbers)

militia AR numbers shown = 425dps
" with the bonus 10% all weapons recieved = 467.5 <<< actual base damage
" with 15% proficiiecny = 538 (this is already more than enough to drop every suit in the game under 2.2 seconds)
" " 1 basic damage mod = 481
" " " 2 basic damage mods = 490
" " " " 1 enhanced damage mod = 490
" " " " " 2 enhanced damage mods = 504 (this drops your average suit in 1 second)
" " " " " " 1 complex damage mod = 514 (an unmodded heavy will die in 2 seconds)
" " " " " " " 2 complex damage mods = 546
" " " " " " " " 3 complex damage mods = 569.74

1 complex mod and proficiecny 15% = 591 (approaching HMG damage)
2 complex mods and proficiceny 15% = 628 (dayum!)
3 complex mods and proficiceny 15% = 655 dps (holy shi...)

PROTO basic
heavy ehp base = 800
heavy with with shield and armor bonus to lvl5 = 1012 ehp
with 2 proto shield extenders = +145.2 shield (the shield skill at lvl5 gives 10%to shields)
with 3 complex armor plates = +379.5 armor (the armor skill at lvl5 gives 10% to armor)
total ehp = 1536.7

PROTO sentinel
base ehp = 800
with shield and armor bonus to lvl5 = 1012 ehp
with 1 proto shield extenders = +72.6 shield (the shield skill at lvl5 gives 10%to shields)
with 4 complex armor plates = +506 armor (the armor skill at lvl5 gives 10% to armor)
total ehp = 1590.6

you can divide the ehps by the dps to find out how many seconds it takes to kill the heavies but ill do an example.

milita AR with its actual dps of 467. proto sentiel heavy, the alleged point defense king... lets see:
1590.6/467 = 3.4 seconds of fire.

how many bullets did he waste? lets see.
1590/34 = 47 bullets.


A fully decked out proto scout with up to 400 ehp survives .85 seconds.

yup and why are their 6 forgeguns because its FOTM and its Op and assholes like to take advantage of OP weapons.

Lol how is that imbalanced? Again if you get killed by a forge gun it means you stood still long enough for him to charge his gun adjust his aim and fire. That's pretty sad. You're the one who want easy mode, you rather stand still aim and shoot right?
You over look the fact that he has to time lead if it'd a moving target you over look the fact that the gun requires a lot of skill to use. It isn't just a aim and shoot like the ar. Quit ignoring this. Stop being so bad. The forge gun isn't a noob tube or a easy button. its hard to use. Even forge gun sniping takes skill. If a weapon requires so much work suck as using a drop ship, a team mate to give you ammo and the functions of the gun itself such as charge, lead to hit moving targets etc. How is that OP? It's just a effective tactic. What's stopping you from taking him out? Use a sniper? Use team work, use a sniper. Use a milita forge gun. Drop a OB on him. Or use a damn drop ship. It's easy ffs. And if a forge gunner is on the ground he's extremely vulnerable. Like seriously. But again all you want is easy mode and try to point out things that really doesn't have any valid points.

You are so Irrelevant.....it hurts. Free Suit, Nanohive, Uplink (If Minnie SVER BPO Unlocked even better), Dropship, Recall, Jump, Dampen, Supply Depot Suit Swap (Pure Free), Suicide, WIN DUST. You may even Skip the last 3 Steps before Suicide to save Time. As for Countering Height w/ a FG or Dropship??? FG shooting Up @ Peek-A-Boo AFGer = Wasted Effort. & countering AFG w/ a Dropship is "EASY"??? Don't you mean...LOLImpossible??? I said AFG Variant is OP, not FG in General. You are simply Terrible @ Reading/Comprehension. BTW you are also Irrelevant.....I am a Tanker, so.....try again

Hmm... I kinda want to play against you; to see if my tanks can survive it and still kill you.

But you won't see as many since most of the playerbase is medium suits. But omg these are soooooo OP. Increase the charge up time or something CCP!!!!

#lolForgeGuns

inb4 Forge Guns are fine

inb4 heavies are weak

-XOXO

Short answer...highly unlikely

Depends on the situation but i have not met a tanker that doesn't lose his hardware against me.

Legend is the hardest, and nakaya indegine is the most slippery, but I have not met anyone that can elude me.

And now im perfecting the kamikaze av brigade for u redline tankers :P

Actually I was talking about the assault forge gun. Read the title of this thread. Sad. Again you're a tanker crying forge gun oh I'm sorry let me say the assault forge gun because it seems you can't put 1 and 1 together. You're a tanker ? You can kill any infantry with ease. You run into one gun that can rival you if he's good. And you cry OP? You my friend just prove that this just a QQ thread. Basically the easiest way to kill a tank is from a high point if using a forge gun because the tank moves faster than a heavy. Try chasing a tank.... takes forever. I've done it. So you get mad because you can't kill that forger? What happened to the rest of the team? They can't take him out for you . Most tankers can get enough wp alone to get a ob. Drop it on him or if you're in a sqaud wp isn't a issue so ob him if your team sucks that bad that it can't take him down. Lol pathetic

Heh, fine then; I'll just kill you using a FG

Hardcore need more.

In fact... as sad this is going to sound. I think heavies should have a dedicated AI Forge gun, and it should be the assault forge gun.

Increased clip size to 6 or 8, lower damage to around 300 and reduce charge time to ~1.5s after passives.

Splash radius 4m(ish?), optimal range 80m or so, effective range out to 140m(ish?)

It'll be the Heavy Sniper Rifle. heavies aren't going to ever get many heavy weapons, so the ones they have should perform as well as possible.

This would help with how powerful the AFG is against vehicles, OP imho.

That would be fine, if you could use it with enough skill to best us. I invite any and all to use the forge gun, it's not OP it's not the FoTM. It IS effective in the right hands.

This is a PvP game not your Cod-bag PvE shooters, we are ALL smarter than In game AI we see you coming we hear about it from our squad mates use your skills to kill us in return don't whine cos "this games too hard D,X"

Are you there again Princess? As a non-stop Heavy I've been using the Forge Gun a lot since the open beta, don't go whining about it. The thing that has been improved is the hit detection for the splash damage.
The charge-up of 1-1,5sec makes it almost impossible to use in mid-range, close-range brawls. Only good positioning and a careful aim/tracking eye makes the gun OP. I think it may be 'OP' if you try to get a vantage point and have trained to use a Forge Gun properly. Go ask my other Forge Gun buddies in TUL to confirm!

That would be fine, if you could use it with enough skill to best us. I invite any you and all to use the forge gun, it's not OP it's not the FoTM. It IS effective in the right hands.

This is a PvP game not your Cod-bag PvE shooters, we are ALL smarter than In game AI we see you coming we hear about it from our squad mates use your skills to kill us in return don't whine cos "this games too hard D,X"

Thankfully, CCP views Forge Guns as "a-ok" and will not be tweaking them anytime soon.

Don't get your hopes up, They said the same of the Flaylocks, then they nerfed them and Proto Contact Nades

Damage decay on projectile, to help dropships, punish FG sniping, and discourage camping.

I have. to say...CCP should remove all the Assault variants since they're clearly better than the basic gun in every way. The only one that sucks is the assault variant of the HMG for an unknown reason. But all others, especially the MD and FG variants, are high DPS, spam-friendly weapons with no obvious drawbacks.

Basic and breach FG are ok. The basic has long charge time which makes it weak at CQC, and gives tanks enough time to take cover. With this one you actually have to aim and make that shot count. The long charge time makes it balanced. The assault is the spam fest win by splash noob tube. Same thing with the assault MD. Higher clip and RPM, lmao.

-XOXO

Lets nerf anything that isnt an AR and give ARs infinate range!

Get over yourselfs guys, seriously. MD's Flaylocks, Yeah, lets nerf em because EVERYONE uses them, and you dont need to skill into them much to be lethal. Forge guns take skill. not like the MD's that spray and pray. Evidently you guys misunderstand the point of "point defense" in the Heavy classes description. you want to whine about anything, give the HMG a dmg boost to be able to withstand proto AR users.

Quit whining because your duvolle got beat by another weapon.

Flay locks suck. Mass drivers isn't spray and pray. Assault rifle is.

Okay...so Forges are OP because why again?
Because they instant kill you?
Because they can hit you from a distance and you have no idea where they are?

Like snipers are any different...
-_-

Let me explain something. With a forge, you have to get within AR range of players to aim the thing properly. With a forge, you have to constantly retreat back to ammo. With a forge, you have to be smart. With a forge, you have no other ways of getting points besides kills and vehicle/installation destruction (unless you decide to go hack something)

Forges are basically snipers that you can still shoot at, oh and they have lots of health.

The problem with forges is that instead of snipers who have a small "shot" that misses easily, forges have a large "shot" that does 1200++ damage. The size of the actual projectile is what needs to be changed. I still like the "ball" that they shoot now, but it makes the gun way too easy to get direct hits with.

This is the primary difference between the plasma cannon, mass driver, and forge. Direct hits should be hard to get unless you're lucky, not easy because you're shooting a giant ball at someone.

I am tain now that you are actually performing satire right now.

You are portraying a textbook example of a scrub who can't aim.

Bravo.