DUST Search - FOTM: Assault Forge Gun

Protocake JR wrote:

FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:

Galvan Nized wrote:

I don't think there's really anything wrong with the FGs.

But FGs have changed, remember the Christmas tree charging? Removal of this I's a huge buff to forge guns. Rendering changes also helped the Forge guns because they tied it so awkwardly to different weapons.

Forge guns are just too easy to take advantage of. While they can be difficult to aim and hit it's very easy to get on a tall roof that is unscalable. One cannot get on top of the roof to face them in any practical manner and is very much the equivalent to redline sniping... extremely cheap.

Why do we have unscalable buildings at all? At least make them destructable. But this is more of a poor map design issue than a FG issue.

You just admitted its easy to get up there so what's stopping the other team from doing so lol

Are you serious? Are you completely oblivious to the fact that the forge gunner is going to two shot the dropship? If a forge gunner gets up to a tower first, the only counter to that is synchronized headshot sniping(lol), Precision Strike or another forge gun (which we already established was not a sufficient counter).

Also, lol at your wall of text earlier. Lol

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FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 132	Posted - 2013.08.07 21:47:00 - [121] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think there's really anything wrong with the FGs. But FGs have changed, remember the Christmas tree charging? Removal of this was a huge buff to forge guns. Rendering changes also helped the Forge guns because they tied it so awkwardly to different weapons. Forge guns are just too easy to take advantage of. While they can be difficult to aim and hit it's very easy to get on a tall roof that is unscalable. One cannot get on top of the roof to face them in any practical manner and is very much the equivalent to redline sniping... extremely cheap. Why do we have unscalable buildings at all? At least make them destructable. But this is more of a poor map design issue than a FG issue. You just admitted its easy to get up there so what's stopping the other team from doing so lol
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 387	Posted - 2013.08.07 21:48:00 - [122] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Congressman Rex wrote: Lets nerf anything that isnt an AR and give ARs infinate range! Get over yourselfs guys, seriously. MD's Flaylocks, Yeah, lets nerf em because EVERYONE uses them, and you dont need to skill into them much to be lethal. Forge guns take skill. not like the MD's that spray and pray. Evidently you guys misunderstand the point of "point defense" in the Heavy classes description. you want to whine about anything, give the HMG a dmg boost to be able to withstand proto AR users. Quit whining because your duvolle got beat by another weapon. Flay locks suck. Mass drivers isn't spray and pray. Assault rifle is. lol, Flaylocks don't suck, they're working as intended, as a sidearm. Something tells me you're a FOTM scrub who got his little toy nerfed and now has found a one. Well guess what baby this one will get nerfed pretty soon as more people start using it for easy peasy kills. :P -XOXO
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven EoN. 848	Posted - 2013.08.07 21:48:00 - [123] - Quote Before you call it op, try using one. They are far from form. Mass drivers are maybe one or two in a battle and only on gimped callogis. However, ARs are fotm BC everyone uses them. Calling it otherwise is ignorance.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1569	Posted - 2013.08.07 21:48:00 - [124] - Quote FoTM =/= OP.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 132	Posted - 2013.08.07 21:52:00 - [125] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Congressman Rex wrote: Lets nerf anything that isnt an AR and give ARs infinate range! Get over yourselfs guys, seriously. MD's Flaylocks, Yeah, lets nerf em because EVERYONE uses them, and you dont need to skill into them much to be lethal. Forge guns take skill. not like the MD's that spray and pray. Evidently you guys misunderstand the point of "point defense" in the Heavy classes description. you want to whine about anything, give the HMG a dmg boost to be able to withstand proto AR users. Quit whining because your duvolle got beat by another weapon. Flay locks suck. Mass drivers isn't spray and pray. Assault rifle is. lol, Flaylocks don't suck, they're working as intended, as a sidearm. Something tells me you're a FOTM scrub who got his little toy nerfed and now has found a one. Well guess what baby this one will get nerfed pretty soon as more people start using it for easy peasy kills. :P -XOXO Please go back one page. Maybe you'll learn something. Calling me a scrub, very cute. You've now resorted to name calling cause you can't hold a valid argument. Again before you reply go back one page and read my post. Thank you.
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 445	Posted - 2013.08.07 22:01:00 - [126] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think there's really anything wrong with the FGs. But FGs have changed, remember the Christmas tree charging? Removal of this was a huge buff to forge guns. Rendering changes also helped the Forge guns because they tied it so awkwardly to different weapons. Forge guns are just too easy to take advantage of. While they can be difficult to aim and hit it's very easy to get on a tall roof that is unscalable. One cannot get on top of the roof to face them in any practical manner and is very much the equivalent to redline sniping... extremely cheap. Why do we have unscalable buildings at all? At least make them destructable. But this is more of a poor map design issue than a FG issue. You just admitted its easy to get up there so what's stopping the other team from doing so lol Are you serious? Are you completely oblivious to the fact that the forge gunner is going to two shot the dropship? If a forge gunner gets up to a tower first, the only counter to that is synchronized headshot sniping(lol), Precision Strike or another forge gun (which we already established was not a sufficient counter). Also, lol at your wall of text earlier.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 133	Posted - 2013.08.07 22:10:00 - [127] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: I don't think there's really anything wrong with the FGs. But FGs have changed, remember the Christmas tree charging? Removal of this I's a huge buff to forge guns. Rendering changes also helped the Forge guns because they tied it so awkwardly to different weapons. Forge guns are just too easy to take advantage of. While they can be difficult to aim and hit it's very easy to get on a tall roof that is unscalable. One cannot get on top of the roof to face them in any practical manner and is very much the equivalent to redline sniping... extremely cheap. Why do we have unscalable buildings at all? At least make them destructable. But this is more of a poor map design issue than a FG issue. You just admitted its easy to get up there so what's stopping the other team from doing so lol Are you serious? Are you completely oblivious to the fact that the forge gunner is going to two shot the dropship? If a forge gunner gets up to a tower first, the only counter to that is synchronized headshot sniping(lol), Precision Strike or another forge gun (which we already established was not a sufficient counter). Also, lol at your wall of text earlier. Doesn't stop you from going to a other tower and sniping him. Or even sniping him from ground with a team. I don't forge snipe from towers, I only flew a drop ship once and didn't go to well lol. Im mostly a ground forger, I counter forge. smg as my side arm and flux to kill those who get close to me. Not always easy. Again I don't tower forge snipe because I'm not the type to retreat when I get shot. I'm a hard headed fighter. I even suicide with my lav to hurt a tank so my team can finish it off. Just saying And regarding my wall of text, people often ignore details and just cry nerf. I can't wait until my friends level up their nova knifes. So far I'm level 3. I went 16-4 one match with just nova knife on a std min scout. Now I run smg as my main with nova knife and remote explosives
Kirin Dark Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2013.08.08 07:31:00 - [128] - Quote I have yet to see one logical post on how anyone can call AFGs OP because they can 1-shot infantry Hello? Do you really think, putting aside all your nerdy fanboy stat BS, that if anyone has a weapon that is DESIGNED for killing tanks regardless of charge time DPS or anything else, that if you get hit with it, it should somehow magically not blow you off the map? I personally Just want to see CCP add in Gore and Dismemberment to the game so all your teammates can see you QQ right before you Pop like an overripe zit all over the map cos you stood still too long or weren't paying attention to your surroundings.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 390	Posted - 2013.08.08 07:36:00 - [129] - Quote Kirin Dark wrote: I have yet to see one logical post on how anyone can call AFGs OP because they can 1-shot infantry Hello? Do you really think, putting aside all your nerdy fanboy stat BS, that if anyone has a weapon that is DESIGNED for killing tanks regardless of charge time DPS or anything else, that if you get hit with it, it should somehow magically not blow you off the map? I personally Just want to see CCP add in Gore and Dismemberment to the game so all your teammates can see you QQ right before you Pop like an overripe zit all over the map cos you stood still too long or weren't paying attention to your surroundings. I know and completely agree. The vanilla and breach version do it very good and it's balanced. The assault version is the one being abused and deserving of nerf. Should get removed from game imo. -XOXO
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1004	Posted - 2013.08.08 07:40:00 - [130] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Kirin Dark wrote: I have yet to see one logical post on how anyone can call AFGs OP because they can 1-shot infantry Hello? Do you really think, putting aside all your nerdy fanboy stat BS, that if anyone has a weapon that is DESIGNED for killing tanks regardless of charge time DPS or anything else, that if you get hit with it, it should somehow magically not blow you off the map? I personally Just want to see CCP add in Gore and Dismemberment to the game so all your teammates can see you QQ right before you Pop like an overripe zit all over the map cos you stood still too long or weren't paying attention to your surroundings. I know and completely agree. The vanilla and breach version do it very good and it's balanced. The assault version is the one being abused and deserving of nerf. Should get removed from game imo. -XOXO When 99% of forge gun users are using the assault, that sort of makes you wonder if they didn't screw up weapon balance / diversification in design

Kirin Dark Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.08.08 07:52:00 - [131] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: When 99% of forge gun users are using the assault, that sort of makes you wonder if they didn't screw up weapon balance / diversification in design C'mon IX , You squadded with me just the other night, you know me. You want to know why most forge gunners use AFGs? to keep up with the speed of ALL other weapons, AR eat fatties alive, Charge Snipers (or the scoped mini-Forge gun) Can 2-shot a HEAVY- you know the class that is supposed to be able to "Shrug off small arms fire" If you reduce the forge pool to just STDs and Breaches your still gonna Die, Just as often, and probably more because we will just have more time to line up the shot and use half the ammo. Give me my Heavy Class Laser (TBA) or more options for Suits/Weapons And don't ***** about your dropships, at least I have to actively AIM at you, Swarms will chase you across the map with SIX missiles!
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 88	Posted - 2013.08.08 07:54:00 - [132] - Quote Just.... I can't believe the stupidity on here...
God Anpu TheImmortal The Pyramid Order 34	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:02:00 - [133] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Assault forge guns take the most skill out of all of the forge guns. Need to time your shot perfectly. lol no, the charge up time is so small on the proto you just aim and shoot and spam. Very easy. -XOXO Lol I don't know who u are but your crying here about proto forge guns and there charge time it's proto for one takes a while to get and if your to stupid to move u deserve to die so stop your whining its a weapon that's to take out tanks and cars why wouldn't it hurt u duh. And I want u to try to get a Proto forge assault gun and tell me how easy it is.
God Anpu TheImmortal The Pyramid Order 34	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:07:00 - [134] - Quote Kirin Dark wrote: I have yet to see one logical post on how anyone can call AFGs OP because they can 1-shot infantry Hello? Do you really think, putting aside all your nerdy fanboy stat BS, that if anyone has a weapon that is DESIGNED for killing tanks regardless of charge time DPS or anything else, that if you get hit with it, it should somehow magically not blow you off the map? I personally Just want to see CCP add in Gore and Dismemberment to the game so all your teammates can see you QQ right before you Pop like an overripe zit all over the map cos you stood still too long or weren't paying attention to your surroundings. LOL TELL THESE DUMD ASS NOOBS THEY JUST DON'T GET IT TILL THEY GET HIT WITH THE.FORGE!!
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 576	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:16:00 - [135] - Quote Change the size of the forge gun ball and everything will be balanced. We're done here.
castba Penguin's March 62	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:56:00 - [136] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: I know and completely agree. The vanilla and breach version do it very good and it's balanced. The assault version is the one being abused and deserving of nerf. Should get removed from game imo. -XOXO Please record your attempts to use the afg and link to the video, just to prove how much easier it is to one shot infantry with than the normal fg... And not from a tower. I could use a laugh.
Kirin Dark Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2013.08.08 15:29:00 - [137] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Change the size of the forge gun ball and everything will be balanced. We're done here. The Ball you see when the forge fires is actually MUCH larger than the projectile, the balancing factor is the cross hairs, they are wide open. If they ever put a dot in the center of the current cross-hairs(or Iron Sights Or a Scope) Woe be to all in a forges sights. because you won't ever have a chance.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 267	Posted - 2013.08.08 16:05:00 - [138] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: But you won't see as many since most of the playerbase is medium suits. But omg these are soooooo OP. Increase the charge up time or something CCP!!!! #lolForgeGuns -XOXO if you don't stand still then forge guns won't be OP. I`ll have to tell my DS that
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 267	Posted - 2013.08.08 16:09:00 - [139] - Quote Assaults need a damage nerf, breach should be the anti tank not the Assault, non role FGs are fine. also to those who haven't seen a fully specked into FG, trust me PRO assault FGs and AUR FGs are only half as bad as those my gosh, almost can 1 shot when your full HP on a max HP DS. Chicago Cubs and some other guy has them...crazy stuff, which is the main reason FGs are OP, rail guns have no specialization, small rail guns are UP and the Assault does to much damage.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 406	Posted - 2013.08.08 17:01:00 - [140] - Quote Don't understand the problem tho, it takes the same amount of time for a heavy to charge even an AFG as a medium frame suit killing that heavy with an AR, Forge guns are a heavy anti tank weapon, AR's are a LIGHT weapon, out the two what really needs nerfin? People say "oh it's oviously OP and needing nerfing because alot of heavies use it" Well if thats the case what is the MOST used weapon on the game? surely that needs nerfin too right by that logic?



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