not really you would have to switch weapons to be AV and you can't OHK infantry and you have less HP with barely any modules and low recharge rate while a FG can do both without switching, more modules and higher HP base without limiting is AV to being effective only on armor. meaning your much more weaker to snipers and limited to SL for AV that you have to switch which is weaker to shields all at a higher ISK cost and much higher SP cost.

no no

a forge gun is totally not a better sniper than a sniper and better AV than a swarm
while being APC, tanky and costing next to nothing compared to the proto suits it 1 shots or the 1.5 million isk derpshi*s it poops all over. it takes tons of skill to aim a 320 meter, unshaking, 100% accurate gun at targets who before didn't see you and now physically can't due to rendering. And vehicles totally know when/where a FG is on the field who willl 3 shot the max EHP, max skilled, best talented pilot in under 2 seconds from the initial unpredictable blast.



the comparison to a commando with sniper and swarm was completely accurate.


/sarcasm

no no

a forge gun is totally not a better sniper than a sniper and better AV than a swarm
while being APC, tanky and costing next to nothing compared to the proto suits it 1 shots or the 1.5 million isk derpshi*s it poops all over. it takes tons of skill to aim a 320 meter, unshaking, 100% accurate gun at targets who before didn't see you and now physically can't due to rendering. And vehicles totally know when/where a FG is on the field who willl 3 shot the max EHP, max skilled, best talented pilot in under 2 seconds from the initial unpredictable blast.



the comparison to a commando with sniper and swarm was completely accurate.


/sarcasm

you know your post is hard to read what you mean...

Yes because ISk cost has always mean niche protection in Dust.

clearly if you spend more money on it that means you should be invulnerable to anything that costs less than you spent.

Right. you want Dust to become pay-to-win. gotcha.

Where's the guy that says "WELL COULDN'T YOU JUST FLY A DROPSHIP UP THERE? IT'S NOT LIKE FORGEGUNS EAT THEM FOR BREAKFAST"?

I don't think FGs are OP. It's the fact that once they're up their they can control that spot for the rest of the game that's the problem.

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He is the core gamer, the bastard child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results.

Yes because ISk cost has always mean niche protection in Dust.

clearly if you spend more money on it that means you should be invulnerable to anything that costs less than you spent.

Right. you want Dust to become pay-to-win. gotcha.

totally.
is the ISK cost worth it to use it or is it just simply to high for its value. the place HAVs and DS are in right now.

snipers can't kill dropships..
in fact the assault dropship is good at killing them.
its doesn't work the same way with FG.
nice to know you only read the last line and made a post about that.

PS this was a discussion thread about CCP's method of balancing gun-play and mechanics as being inherently errant.

I still top out at 20

but only when people are like "hey look! Breakin Stuff is here! everyone, INTO THE VEHICLES! LET'S DRIVE OVER HIM!!

PS this was a discussion thread about CCP's method of balancing gun-play and mechanics as being inherently errant.

PS this was a discussion thread about CCP's method of balancing gun-play and mechanics as being inherently errant.

If you can't do it you're bad.

Also no need for towers. A slightly inclined hill is all you need to take advantage of the epic splash damage and 1 hit sniping from a FG.

To the OP: This phenomenon is known as "recall bias." (Look it up)


Also, I'm calling BS on the "this isn't about the FG, it's about the way CCP balances things" backpedal.

I am one of the few that specced into heavy suit, heavy weaponry, and forgegun skills. Those of us who did, and have been forgegunning for months, are very good at what we do, i can spit out 277 splash damage with 15% innate dmg and 2 complex mods every 2 seconds. I can lead targets effectively at 10, 100, or 300M. I can kill all but the most skilled tankers in 1 clip. When i see a multitude of infantry running around in the open, i recycle the biomass in droves, I grab a logi and a gorgon and head to the high ground in order to provide wide-area coverage of the battlefield, i call out troop movements and smash everything mechanized. I do this because 9 times out of 10, the enemy is not battlefield aware or organized. The infantry usually runs, in the open, close together into the light......but when i play against people who communicate, organize, and snipe better than a blind man with cerebral palsy.......well, then i get suppressed and don't kill 30+ infantry without dying.......

Nah, the whining masses need something new whine about.

After Forge guns, next on the list will probably be Scrambler Pistols and SMGs

Eventually, the whine list will get down to Nova Knives, and after that the cycle carries on back to tactical assault rifles

[quote=RAGING GIGGLES]camping on roofs is fine as I see it as the most effective form of head-on, 1v1, tense encounters just the way dust should be played. down on the field supporting my team like a man. wait......

Then read the first post.