As a vehicle pilot, both assault dropship pilot and a tanker, I think Forge Guns have a distinct advantage vehicles. However, the problem lies more that there is proto forge guns against standard vehicles. I think the splash damage to kill infantry is a problem that should be addressed, but the current fg vs vehicle is what I would expect, given the lack of proto vehicles. I think they should release proto vehicles that can take a few forge gun hits before popping, or remove proto forge guns TEMPORARILY until we get proto vehicles. Proto weaponry shouldn't be balanced against standard defenses, that's unfair.

@Combat Clinic
You fly assault dropships. I would happily spend an entire match trying to shoot you down, because that prevents you from harassing and killing my teammates. Same goes for tanks.

I was a dedicated forge gun in prrvious builds and after trying it out this build it feels allot better than befor . I can remember when every 3rd or 4th shot would fly off target but they ninja buffed the dispersion and aiming on the fg as I have yet to miss with a single shot . The forge gun has turned into a win button agaist both infantry and vehicles . Also with the removal of the marauders the forge has effectivly been buffed agaist us tankers as my sagi could withstand several blasts from a proto forge and not have to panic bit now if I see a proto forge on the oposite team I pretty much know I will loose a tank that round . The only way to really avoid proto forges is to redline rail snipe and thats no fun really. Bottom line we need our proto or even adv havs to stand a chance against the swarms of proto av.

So you're saying it's unfair when a std assault suit goes against a proto suit? Just saying your statement is invalid. Its a proto weapon. It should be able to take out std vehicles. and do know how hard it is to kill someone with splash damage with the forge gun? You have to do direct hits if not you're fked. Please don't talk with out even knowing the weapon itself. I myself know most weaponry in the game because I got most of them lvl 3+ so again it isnt op.

Played with the adv assault forge tonight, and loved it! Finally vehicles could be destroyed! (adv swarms are useless, same goes for proto AV nades).

Also shot down one of your dropships tonight 9, and it was very satisfying! I'm personally tired of vehicles abusing infantry in ambush, and the assault forge seems to be the solution.

As for their effectiveness towards infantry, well, I'll agree it is annoying to be OHKed by a forge. But playing as one tonight, it requires the forge player be in a sweet spot and/or get lucky with a shot. Not OP unless they are on the dominating team an have the high ground.

IMO, forge should be left alone. It is perfect where it is at. Heavy players are super slow and easy targets for AR's (oh man, AR's are the bane of a heavy!).

Dropships are the terrorists of the sky, and I am personally glad they are vulnerable to forge guns. Now if only tanks could be the same, then the game might just be balanced...

Uh, no, the breach forge guns immobilize you and takes a full 6 seconds to charge, and this is on a HEAVY suit, yeah heavy suits aren't exactly winning any footraces anytime soon, so, ur saying u cant outrun a heavy? that has to stop? for 6 seconds before he fires? Try again sport....

from infantry.


CCP seems to balance weapons on some statistics that are blind to individual weapons possibly being OP, unless tons of people use them and register kills.



So if there existed a dropsuit and gun which could literally not die, and literally kill anything by looking at it-- YET for whatever reason many people did not flock to it as FOTM -- it would never get a nerf. Because statistically it does not look OP. Just a few people using a totally broken weapon.

You say FG should be left alone..... When a forge gun at standard (breach forge gun) and advanced (DCMA-5 breach forge gun) does more damage than all three proto heavy railgun turrents, which cost wayyyyyyyyyyy more isk than the forges...... Something is wrong here.......

@ Combat clinic......DPS, which stands for Damage Per Second. The militia railgun does a little over 900 damage per second, say about 1800 every 2 seconds. The prototype Ishukone assault forgegun does a little over 1600 every 2 seconds. The Wiyrkomi breach forgegun does a little over 2500 every 6 seconds, compared to the almost 5400 damage of a MILITIA railgun in 6 seconds. Soooo....no.

Wow, combat check charge time on the forge guns, go ahead and check it, ill wait, get a calculator while ur at it. When you're done you can come back and apologize to me.

So you're saying it's unfair when a std assault suit goes against a proto suit? Just saying your statement is invalid. Its a proto weapon. It should be able to take out std vehicles. and do know how hard it is to kill someone with splash damage with the forge gun? You have to do direct hits if not you're fked. Please don't talk with out even knowing the weapon itself. I myself know most weaponry in the game because I got most of them lvl 3+ so again it isnt op.

I'll break it down Barney-style.

A standard assault suit will lose to a proto assault suit, given equal player skill. However, this is fair, because the standard suit has the ability to skill into the proto suit should he so choose to spend his sp on it. As a vehicle operator, I have no proto vehicles with which to compete against your proto forge gun, regardless of how much sp I invest in the various skills. Therefore, yes, it is unfair.

from infantry.


CCP seems to balance weapons on some statistics that are blind to individual weapons possibly being OP, unless tons of people use them and register kills.



So if there existed a dropsuit and gun which could literally not die, and literally kill anything by looking at it-- YET for whatever reason many people did not flock to it as FOTM -- it would never get a nerf. Because statistically it does not look OP. Just a few people using a totally broken weapon.

Here we goGǪ

Don't tell me you have a problem with that? Good pilots can turn the tide of battle if nobody tries to stop them. When I see an assault dropship in the air, or a normal dropship with a skilled gunner, I will try to shoot it down if it's preventing my team from getting things done.

@ Combat clinic......DPS, which stands for Damage Per Second. The militia railgun does a little over 900 damage per second, say about 1800 every 2 seconds. The prototype Ishukone assault forgegun does a little over 1600 every 2 seconds. The Wiyrkomi breach forgegun does a little over 2500 every 6 seconds, compared to the almost 5400 damage of a MILITIA railgun in 6 seconds. Soooo....no.