DUST Search - Anyone I see an assault forge gun, it's top kills in the game

Nguruthos IX wrote:

Rusty Shallows wrote:

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

Forge would have been nerfed 10x's over by now if it was a light weapon. But not too many spec into heavies vs light/medium, and even fewer spec into a forge vs HMG. Therefore even if it's clearly being abused and OP, the stats won't be large enough for CCP to consider for tweaks.

HMGs were a minority weapon but that didn't stop CCP from nerfing them useless at 1.0. For the first several months of this year the FG sucked with the double whammy of bad-game-play and excessive balancing nerfs because during beta it was too good during a time.

Further CCP does monitor these forums. When people ***** they do listen. If you don't think they are aware then file a petition or submit a ticket from the site asking if they are aware of the discussion.

When HMGs were OP, everyone was using them.

It was more than half of every team and they tore things up.
It was obvious. Hardly a minority weapon - at the time.

Did they nerf it too hard? Possibly


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Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 201	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:38:00 - [1] - Quote "Anyone I see an assault forge gun, it's top kills in the game from infantry" It would be lie if I said there weren't games where my kills came from infantry while doing close in artillery support. So what's the problem? The post battle leader board constantly shows AR users getting more kills. That in of itself doesn't make ARs OP. "So if there existed a dropsuit and gun which could literally not die, and literally kill anything by looking at it-- YET for whatever reason many people did not flock to it as FOTM -- it would never get a nerf. Because statistically it does not look OP. Just a few people using a totally broken weapon." One reason people are not flocking to heavy suits is because the entire class sits behind those dead weight unlocking skills. Another reason is fatty suits kind of suck. They do die, allot close in to ARs and any high damage rapid fire weapons. Less than two hours ago I had gaylock rip me a new one while on a ladder. We die at mid range too when people pull hot Scrambler Rifles or TARs on us. Scaling up to proto doesn't help in any meaningful way like it does for Assaults or Logi's. In the game of Adapt or Die it means trying to find a way to make your weapon and dropsuit work best. In my case that means pulling elevation or trying to surprise people while playing Death Race 514. You wouldn't believe the number of people who are caught off guard when I jump out of my ride and use the FG.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 202	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:43:00 - [2] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Nah, it's always been like this. And like I said, broken but won't be looked at because not a lot of people use it. It's nothing new, really. Neither is QQ over getting killed by a weapon working at intended. The flaylocks defended their flaylocks. The tanks defended their tanks The AR's defended the AR's now the forge guns join their ranks :P pretending weapons arn't OP isn't new either. You're the same old same old. ...you can use this argument to say any weapon is OP and anyone defending it is being 'same old same old' Congratulations! You've figured it out! And saying complaints about a weapon being OP are just scrubs "QQing" can be equally applied! durp This is exactly why some of us simply avoid calling for nerf altogether. Forum Metagame at its worst.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 202	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:58:00 - [3] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Forge would have been nerfed 10x's over by now if it was a light weapon. But not too many spec into heavies vs light/medium, and even fewer spec into a forge vs HMG. Therefore even if it's clearly being abused and OP, the stats won't be large enough for CCP to consider for tweaks. HMGs were a minority weapon but that didn't stop CCP from nerfing them useless at 1.0. For the first several months of this year the FG sucked with the double whammy of bad-game-play and excessive balancing nerfs because during beta it was too good during a time. Further CCP does monitor these forums. When people ***** they do listen. If you don't think they are aware then file a petition or submit a ticket from the site asking if they are aware of the discussion.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 202	Posted - 2013.08.01 07:40:00 - [4] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Forge would have been nerfed 10x's over by now if it was a light weapon. But not too many spec into heavies vs light/medium, and even fewer spec into a forge vs HMG. Therefore even if it's clearly being abused and OP, the stats won't be large enough for CCP to consider for tweaks. HMGs were a minority weapon but that didn't stop CCP from nerfing them useless at 1.0. For the first several months of this year the FG sucked with the double whammy of bad-game-play and excessive balancing nerfs because during beta it was too good during a time. Further CCP does monitor these forums. When people ***** they do listen. If you don't think they are aware then file a petition or submit a ticket from the site asking if they are aware of the discussion. When HMGs were OP, everyone was using them. It was more than half of every team and they tore things up. It was obvious. Hardly a minority weapon - at the time. Did they nerf it too hard? Possibly I have never even seen half the team in heavy suits now or back then, in pubs or corp matches. It would be an interesting question to ask the Devs if they could pull up the server numbers. Yes it was obviously a huge problem. Even with Heavy Weapons Sharpshooter was a 3x skill the few people who capped it were like some death dealing gods. Heaven forbid if they were in an HMG fire team with logi support. It only took one or two HMG people on the other team to feel how messed up it was. Where that translated in CCP knocking its range to like 15 meters, widening the dispersion, and shaving off damage was the classic definition of a nerf. Especially since a bunch of us knew it was going to be majorly balanced by the removal of HWS. Getting back on topic I beleive CCP is aware of this and hopefully those who are discussing are taking into account both the statistics and the more coherent complaints on the forums. My preference is they just coat the roofs of all skyscrapers with grease so everything just slides right off.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 203	Posted - 2013.08.01 08:22:00 - [5] - Quote ladwar wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: they got up there with a dropship. what's a dropship's big weakness? did you guess forge guns and having an enemy where their gunners can't shoot, above them? DINGDINGDING Winner! so the fight is now who can get their forge gunners up high first. Same problem with snipers - where's there QQ thread? snipers can't kill dropships.. in fact the assault dropship is good at killing them. its doesn't work the same way with FG. nice to know you only read the last line and made a post about that. Snipers easily kill fatties when there is no cover or vehicle to escape in. Sniper rifles out range FGs, weapon shake has caused many a long ranged man sized target impossible to hit (as it should). Dropships can slaughter a FG-er. I know because it happened to me within the last two weeks. An enemy DS that flew low would do circuits of certain areas on the prowl. He'd get almost on top and have a blaster turret melt the target. For the most part he never lingered long and kept moving. Smart guy too because once he figured out I was a threat my suit was an early target for the blaster. He killed me at least four times although I did get him once when he paused too long to finish off my buddy and his proto-SL. He was already damaged and my Ishukone FG scored a hit to the exhaust. Although in general it is true that in the vast majority of cases a Dropship is at a disadvantage. It doesn't help that their improved risk/reward mechanic is delayed.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 203	Posted - 2013.08.01 08:45:00 - [6] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Powerh8er wrote: I'd really like to see a guy kill 30 pluss people with the forgegun, running around hitting bullseye with every shot... I still top out at 20 but only when people are like "hey look! Breakin Stuff is here! everyone, INTO THE VEHICLES! LET'S DRIVE OVER HIM!! I can get near twenty when my teammates throw multiple nanos at me on some good high ground and the other side behave like mindless red-berries. Most of my vehicle kills are from people who get careless. In the competitive and violent matches it is more like six to twelve kills and I'm happy if my deaths stopped at four.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 203	Posted - 2013.08.01 08:59:00 - [7] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: PS this was a discussion thread about CCP's method of balancing gun-play and mechanics as being inherently errant. Fair enough. Thank you for clarifying Nguruthos is it much appreciated. To be honest post one comes across as a targeted nerf request on FGs. It would help if the title was more on target and the main body used examples from several different weapon types.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 208	Posted - 2013.08.03 00:07:00 - [8] - Quote Roldrage wrote: I just... want to fly... Did anyone else hear Sugar Ray singing after reading this?