@Combat Clinic
You fly assault dropships. I would happily spend an entire match trying to shoot you down, because that prevents you from harassing and killing my teammates. Same goes for tanks.

I was a dedicated forge gun in prrvious builds and after trying it out this build it feels allot better than befor . I can remember when every 3rd or 4th shot would fly off target but they ninja buffed the dispersion and aiming on the fg as I have yet to miss with a single shot . The forge gun has turned into a win button agaist both infantry and vehicles . Also with the removal of the marauders the forge has effectivly been buffed agaist us tankers as my sagi could withstand several blasts from a proto forge and not have to panic bit now if I see a proto forge on the oposite team I pretty much know I will loose a tank that round . The only way to really avoid proto forges is to redline rail snipe and thats no fun really. Bottom line we need our proto or even adv havs to stand a chance against the swarms of proto av.

So you're saying it's unfair when a std assault suit goes against a proto suit? Just saying your statement is invalid. Its a proto weapon. It should be able to take out std vehicles. and do know how hard it is to kill someone with splash damage with the forge gun? You have to do direct hits if not you're fked. Please don't talk with out even knowing the weapon itself. I myself know most weaponry in the game because I got most of them lvl 3+ so again it isnt op.

Played with the adv assault forge tonight, and loved it! Finally vehicles could be destroyed! (adv swarms are useless, same goes for proto AV nades).

Also shot down one of your dropships tonight 9, and it was very satisfying! I'm personally tired of vehicles abusing infantry in ambush, and the assault forge seems to be the solution.

As for their effectiveness towards infantry, well, I'll agree it is annoying to be OHKed by a forge. But playing as one tonight, it requires the forge player be in a sweet spot and/or get lucky with a shot. Not OP unless they are on the dominating team an have the high ground.

IMO, forge should be left alone. It is perfect where it is at. Heavy players are super slow and easy targets for AR's (oh man, AR's are the bane of a heavy!).

Dropships are the terrorists of the sky, and I am personally glad they are vulnerable to forge guns. Now if only tanks could be the same, then the game might just be balanced...

Uh, no, the breach forge guns immobilize you and takes a full 6 seconds to charge, and this is on a HEAVY suit, yeah heavy suits aren't exactly winning any footraces anytime soon, so, ur saying u cant outrun a heavy? that has to stop? for 6 seconds before he fires? Try again sport....

@ Combat clinic......DPS, which stands for Damage Per Second. The militia railgun does a little over 900 damage per second, say about 1800 every 2 seconds. The prototype Ishukone assault forgegun does a little over 1600 every 2 seconds. The Wiyrkomi breach forgegun does a little over 2500 every 6 seconds, compared to the almost 5400 damage of a MILITIA railgun in 6 seconds. Soooo....no.

Wow, combat check charge time on the forge guns, go ahead and check it, ill wait, get a calculator while ur at it. When you're done you can come back and apologize to me.

I'll break it down Barney-style.

A standard assault suit will lose to a proto assault suit, given equal player skill. However, this is fair, because the standard suit has the ability to skill into the proto suit should he so choose to spend his sp on it. As a vehicle operator, I have no proto vehicles with which to compete against your proto forge gun, regardless of how much sp I invest in the various skills. Therefore, yes, it is unfair.

Don't tell me you have a problem with that? Good pilots can turn the tide of battle if nobody tries to stop them. When I see an assault dropship in the air, or a normal dropship with a skilled gunner, I will try to shoot it down if it's preventing my team from getting things done.

With all due respect, you brought this up first, so I'm not the one who went off-topic. In any case, I wasn't trying to annoy you, just wanted to explain why forge gunners spend entire matches trying to destroy vehicles.

@combat clinic....First of all, we were talking about forge guns up high ripping into infantry, then you whine about breach forge guns and rail turret comparisons, so YOU started the off-topic shenanigans, im just here to correct you, stop embarrassing yourself with your lack of dust knowledge, if you cant be bothered to do a little simple math, you probably shouldn't be playing an mmofps made by CCP. Until you are willing to use the forgegun and discover it's strengths and weaknesses, your opinion doesn't matter much concerning whether the forge gun is balanced or not. All you know is, OMG! i got killed by a forgegun! Time to whine on the forums! So, in conclusion, shhhhh.....Cuz forgeguns are very well balanced, what you should be whining about, is getting your tanks to ADV, and PRO, but thats a different thread....

Tbh i dont see why proto fg do more damage than proto railgun turrents on tanks, and also how they are able to have such a height advantage when on roof tops of buildings that only dropships can provide access too.

I myself am a assault dropship pilot, and forges are my worst enemy however i try not to complain and work my way around issues in the game. This is due to the fact that my dropship is a weak lv1 aircraft going up against a proto weapon, so there is no problem crying about getting 1-2 shotted by a forge because atm my tier 1 ship is going against a maxed out proto av gun. That is why i decided to change my fittings to counter forge gunners, and so i added a afterburner (which i would advise other pilots to use) which allowed me to quickly escape to the other side of the map in less than 8secs if i was hit once by a proto forge.

What i am trying to say is that FG is not the problem (okay maybe it does too much dmg compared to railguns but still......) it is the players that use them..... I am talking about those sad FG who spend the whole game in pub matches getting stressed and bullying tanks and dropships all through out the match just to ATTEMPT to get 150wp. Ive seen soo many av users die countless times trying to take my dropship and fellow squad-mates tanks non stop all throughout a match, whilst failing miserably only to keep on trying all game to take out one vehicle. Its these types of mentality which cause people to hate FG and other Av'ers (especially militia types) as they stupidly try so hard pointlessly for 100-150 wp. These are the type of players who dont care about winning, but instead have self satisfaction of making vehicle drivers lose....a vehicle. Ive seen this soo many times where swarmers and forgers waste countless isk and die countless times for 150 Wp, infact i would like somebody to explain to me why, even though you are wasting your own isk, you still want the 150 wp when you could of spent your time playing the objective and getting 150wp from assist and killsGǪ

Tbh i dont even know if theres a way to counter this problem because FG is not the problem, as when proto vehicles are introduced they will probably need a buff, it is however player mentality which is the problem, and please people stop crying for nerfs because it is getting boring now, for example if AV'ers get nerfed then it will promote a increase in tanks and then people will start saying tanks need a nerf....etc. If you really want a nerf then please come up with evidence on both points of view and why a role needs to be balanced instead of saying something like "awww my AR cant take out a tank, it is OP" or "my soma got oneshotted by a whryi-something swarm launcher, its op"

@combat clinic....First of all, we were talking about forge guns up high ripping into infantry, then you whine about breach forge guns and rail turret comparisons, so YOU started the off-topic shenanigans, im just here to correct you, stop embarrassing yourself with your lack of dust knowledge, if you cant be bothered to do a little simple math, you probably shouldn't be playing an mmofps made by CCP. Until you are willing to use the forgegun and discover it's strengths and weaknesses, your opinion doesn't matter much concerning whether the forge gun is balanced or not. All you know is, OMG! i got killed by a forgegun! Time to whine on the forums! So, in conclusion, shhhhh.....Cuz forgeguns are very well balanced, what you should be whining about, is getting your tanks to ADV, and PRO, but thats a different thread....

I dont think voids idea would change balance but create it . You would see countless scrubs QQing because they couldent solo vehicles anymore. It is supposed to be a team effort to bring down havs not 1 man on a roof top. The same folks who would QQ at the removal of even proto av will be the first to QQ when they cant solo proto havs.