DUST Search - Anyone I see an assault forge gun, it's top kills in the game

dustwaffle wrote:

Galvan Nized wrote:

SoTah Pawp wrote:

Lemme see if I understand this...

FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs?

This is funny.

Forge Guns have gotten secret buffs that have really helped them. They No longer light up like Christmas trees when charging. Plus the reduction to rendering distance (and tying it oddly to some weapons with their high ranges).

It took until the strange rendering changes that FGs realized they can hide on top of roofs and shoot at infantry or vehicles below them facing little counter. Infantry and vehicles cannot render them or do much if they can. Against infantry the FG has high splash so it's not too difficult to get kills with it.

Now that said I don't feel there is anything wrong with the FGs, we just don't need unscalable towers or buildings.

LOL 'secret buffs'

I'm sure rendering changes affect all weapons the same.

If the towers/buildings are 'unscalable', how did the forge gunner get up there? Couldn't the opposing team employ the same method? Aren't there any counters to this?

But I digress, NERF FORGE GUNS!!!! THEY ARE CLEARLY OP!!!! Roll

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Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 928	Posted - 2013.08.01 04:48:00 - [1] - Quote from infantry. CCP seems to balance weapons on some statistics that are blind to individual weapons possibly being OP, unless tons of people use them and register kills. So if there existed a dropsuit and gun which could literally not die, and literally kill anything by looking at it-- YET for whatever reason many people did not flock to it as FOTM -- it would never get a nerf. Because statistically it does not look OP. Just a few people using a totally broken weapon.
Anita Hardone Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 214	Posted - 2013.08.01 04:56:00 - [2] - Quote That seems to be how its working. And considering there is only a handful of weapons..... its kinda sad how hard of a time they are having trying to figure it out.
Tupni Capital Acquisitions LLC 23	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:04:00 - [3] - Quote I've seen that. They find a cozy spot, drop, or have someone else drop, a nanohive/droplink, and snipe with impunity for the entire round. In a big way mid to higher tier forge guns are the best infantry weapon for sniping, given their range, power, and blast radius. Combine that with a suit that can take 3 to 4 rounds to the head from a sniper rifle and there isn't much that can be done about it. If it was on any other suit save the heavy, I think it would be more widely exploited and recognized as you say.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 331	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:06:00 - [4] - Quote Yup #lolForgeGuns -XOXO
Jeremy House Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:12:00 - [5] - Quote Fight proto with proto... Use a charge sniper with some damage mods. That always scares me off... No need to nerf, you just need to play. Face adversity, don't run away from it yelling nerf.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Auxiliaries 628	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:14:00 - [6] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: from infantry. CCP seems to balance weapons on some statistics that are blind to individual weapons possibly being OP, unless tons of people use them and register kills. So if there existed a dropsuit and gun which could literally not die, and literally kill anything by looking at it-- YET for whatever reason many people did not flock to it as FOTM -- it would never get a nerf. Because statistically it does not look OP. Just a few people using a totally broken weapon. FG users naturally get their most kills from infantry - as tank kills are that much more rare. There might be only two or one tank in a match but killing those is still paramount. And the rest? Well the infantry just keeps coming and coming. There the forger does what it cans with boomstick and a sidearm.
Delilah Judge-Slayer Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:19:00 - [7] - Quote The complain train has found a new destination for ceaseless bitching. CCP should rename Forge Guns to Fofofofofoforgeguns. Flaylocks got put in their place, now the best way to make protoburgers **** themselves is rooftop mounted Forge Gunners insta-gibbing wallet warriors.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 201	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:38:00 - [8] - Quote "Anyone I see an assault forge gun, it's top kills in the game from infantry" It would be lie if I said there weren't games where my kills came from infantry while doing close in artillery support. So what's the problem? The post battle leader board constantly shows AR users getting more kills. That in of itself doesn't make ARs OP. "So if there existed a dropsuit and gun which could literally not die, and literally kill anything by looking at it-- YET for whatever reason many people did not flock to it as FOTM -- it would never get a nerf. Because statistically it does not look OP. Just a few people using a totally broken weapon." One reason people are not flocking to heavy suits is because the entire class sits behind those dead weight unlocking skills. Another reason is fatty suits kind of suck. They do die, allot close in to ARs and any high damage rapid fire weapons. Less than two hours ago I had gaylock rip me a new one while on a ladder. We die at mid range too when people pull hot Scrambler Rifles or TARs on us. Scaling up to proto doesn't help in any meaningful way like it does for Assaults or Logi's. In the game of Adapt or Die it means trying to find a way to make your weapon and dropsuit work best. In my case that means pulling elevation or trying to surprise people while playing Death Race 514. You wouldn't believe the number of people who are caught off guard when I jump out of my ride and use the FG.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 929	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:41:00 - [9] - Quote Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote: The complain train has found a new destination for ceaseless bitching. CCP should rename Forge Guns to Fofofofofoforgeguns. Flaylocks got put in their place, now the best way to make protoburgers **** themselves is rooftop mounted Forge Gunners insta-gibbing wallet warriors. could just use a militia forge. Easier to snipe with and still 1 shots the protos : /
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 351	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:45:00 - [10] - Quote Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs?

dustwaffle Gravity Prone EoN. 269	Posted - 2013.08.01 05:52:00 - [11] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? Nah, the whining masses need something new whine about. After Forge guns, next on the list will probably be Scrambler Pistols and SMGs Eventually, the whine list will get down to Nova Knives, and after that the cycle carries on back to tactical assault rifles
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 190	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:03:00 - [12] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? This is funny. Forge Guns have gotten secret buffs that have really helped them. They No longer light up like Christmas trees when charging. Plus the reduction to rendering distance (and tying it oddly to some weapons with their high ranges). It took until the strange rendering changes that FGs realized they can hide on top of roofs and shoot at infantry or vehicles below them facing little counter. Infantry and vehicles cannot render them or do much if they can. Against infantry the FG has high splash so it's not too difficult to get kills with it. Now that said I don't feel there is anything wrong with the FGs, we just don't need unscalable towers or buildings.
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 148	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:07:00 - [13] - Quote I always laugh at the people who go up on the tallest buildings on the tabletop map, they stick out like a sore thumb, they prolly wonder what hit them when I get them from the ground.
dustwaffle Gravity Prone EoN. 270	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:08:00 - [14] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? This is funny. Forge Guns have gotten secret buffs that have really helped them. They No longer light up like Christmas trees when charging. Plus the reduction to rendering distance (and tying it oddly to some weapons with their high ranges). It took until the strange rendering changes that FGs realized they can hide on top of roofs and shoot at infantry or vehicles below them facing little counter. Infantry and vehicles cannot render them or do much if they can. Against infantry the FG has high splash so it's not too difficult to get kills with it. Now that said I don't feel there is anything wrong with the FGs, we just don't need unscalable towers or buildings. LOL 'secret buffs' I'm sure rendering changes affect all weapons the same. If the towers/buildings are 'unscalable', how did the forge gunner get up there? Couldn't the opposing team employ the same method? Aren't there any counters to this? But I digress, NERF FORGE GUNS!!!! THEY ARE CLEARLY OP!!!!
Celeste Cyra Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:08:00 - [15] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? Nah, the whining masses need something new whine about. After Forge guns, next on the list will probably be Scrambler Pistols and SMGs Eventually, the whine list will get down to Nova Knives, and after that the cycle carries on back to tactical assault rifles They already got to nova knives...
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 930	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:19:00 - [16] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? Nah, it's always been like this. And like I said, broken but won't be looked at because not a lot of people use it. It's nothing new, really.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 434	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:21:00 - [17] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? This is funny. Forge Guns have gotten secret buffs that have really helped them. They No longer light up like Christmas trees when charging. Plus the reduction to rendering distance (and tying it oddly to some weapons with their high ranges). It took until the strange rendering changes that FGs realized they can hide on top of roofs and shoot at infantry or vehicles below them facing little counter. Infantry and vehicles cannot render them or do much if they can. Against infantry the FG has high splash so it's not too difficult to get kills with it. Now that said I don't feel there is anything wrong with the FGs, we just don't need unscalable towers or buildings. LOL 'secret buffs' I'm sure rendering changes affect all weapons the same. If the towers/buildings are 'unscalable', how did the forge gunner get up there? Couldn't the opposing team employ the same method? Aren't there any counters to this? But I digress, NERF FORGE GUNS!!!! THEY ARE CLEARLY OP!!!! they got up there with a dropship. what's a dropship's big weakness? did you guess forge guns and having an enemy where their gunners can't shoot, above them? DINGDINGDING Winner! so the fight is now who can get their forge gunners up high first.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 355	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:22:00 - [18] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? Nah, it's always been like this. And like I said, broken but won't be looked at because not a lot of people use it. It's nothing new, really. Neither is QQ over getting killed by a weapon working at intended.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 355	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:24:00 - [19] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: they got up there with a dropship. what's a dropship's big weakness? did you guess forge guns and having an enemy where their gunners can't shoot, above them? DINGDINGDING Winner! so the fight is now who can get their forge gunners up high first. Same problem with snipers - where's there QQ thread?
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 930	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:24:00 - [20] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? Nah, it's always been like this. And like I said, broken but won't be looked at because not a lot of people use it. It's nothing new, really. Neither is QQ over getting killed by a weapon working at intended. The flaylocks defended their flaylocks. The tanks defended their tanks The AR's defended the AR's now the forge guns join their ranks :P pretending weapons arn't OP isn't new either. You're the same old same old.

SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 355	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:25:00 - [21] - Quote FG is fine - maps are what blow. We've all used em so long we know all the cheap tricks possible on them.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 353	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:25:00 - [22] - Quote Where's the guy that says "WELL COULDN'T YOU JUST FLY A DROPSHIP UP THEIR? IT'S NOT LIKE FORGEGUNS EAT THEM FOR BREAKFAST"? He is the core gamer, the bastard child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results. CrotchGrab 360 wrote: You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 355	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:27:00 - [23] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? Nah, it's always been like this. And like I said, broken but won't be looked at because not a lot of people use it. It's nothing new, really. Neither is QQ over getting killed by a weapon working at intended. The flaylocks defended their flaylocks. The tanks defended their tanks The AR's defended the AR's now the forge guns join their ranks :P pretending weapons arn't OP isn't new either. You're the same old same old. ...you can use this argument to say any weapon is OP and anyone defending it is being 'same old same old' FG threads only popping up recently - to a weapon that hasn't been changed other then graphics. So what's the problem? Your precious KDR dropping .1 from it?
Skipper Jones Murder Cakes Of Doom 553	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:28:00 - [24] - Quote Are you saying that the Forge is OP? and because not everybody uses it, it won't get nerfed? Forge gun= fine Right now there really isn't an OP gun...
Billi Gene The Southern Legion 204	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:32:00 - [25] - Quote people, stop being lazy. shush your whining, grab a sniper rifle.... learn which angles to the towers give the best chances of a shot at the heavy.. you don't even have to kill them, just **** them off enough and they will jump down..... life isn't served on silver platters. Harden up Princess
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 930	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:34:00 - [26] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Lemme see if I understand this... FG hasn't had anything done to it for nearly a year - and is now broken because people have figured out how to climb onto roofs? Nah, it's always been like this. And like I said, broken but won't be looked at because not a lot of people use it. It's nothing new, really. Neither is QQ over getting killed by a weapon working at intended. The flaylocks defended their flaylocks. The tanks defended their tanks The AR's defended the AR's now the forge guns join their ranks :P pretending weapons arn't OP isn't new either. You're the same old same old. ...you can use this argument to say any weapon is OP and anyone defending it is being 'same old same old' Congratulations! You've figured it out! And saying complaints about a weapon being OP are just scrubs "QQing" can be equally applied! durp
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 877	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:38:00 - [27] - Quote Forge would have been nerfed 10x's over by now if it was a light weapon. But not too many spec into heavies vs light/medium, and even fewer spec into a forge vs HMG. Therefore even if it's clearly being abused and OP, the stats won't be large enough for CCP to consider for tweaks.
Jeremy House Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:40:00 - [28] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: Where's the guy that says "WELL COULDN'T YOU JUST FLY A DROPSHIP UP THERE? IT'S NOT LIKE FORGEGUNS EAT THEM FOR BREAKFAST"? He is the core gamer, the bastard child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results. CrotchGrab 360 wrote: You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom. It is about the pilot not the ship itself. While dropships could use a hp buff, they can still take atleast 2 hits from my forge, if not 3. Unless you are flying the crappy militia ones. Even then, if you can fly them well enough, you can make it to a tower. I've seen it happen. I actually do it myself all the time...
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 356	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:42:00 - [29] - Quote O wow - you made one good point. Grats. Now try doing that with your reasoning on why the FG is "Broken" rather then the map design is bad or how you're too awesome to use a sniper.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 202	Posted - 2013.08.01 06:43:00 - [30] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Nah, it's always been like this. And like I said, broken but won't be looked at because not a lot of people use it. It's nothing new, really. Neither is QQ over getting killed by a weapon working at intended. The flaylocks defended their flaylocks. The tanks defended their tanks The AR's defended the AR's now the forge guns join their ranks :P pretending weapons arn't OP isn't new either. You're the same old same old. ...you can use this argument to say any weapon is OP and anyone defending it is being 'same old same old' Congratulations! You've figured it out! And saying complaints about a weapon being OP are just scrubs "QQing" can be equally applied! durp This is exactly why some of us simply avoid calling for nerf altogether. Forum Metagame at its worst.



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