Keep killing the ARs and you will get nerfed. Look at every other weapon ever. You might want to start petitioning that your weapon is fine....remember how there were only a few good tankers in Chromosome and we all got nerfed? It will happen to you if you don't stop killing the ARs

Keep killing the ARs and you will get nerfed. Look at every other weapon ever. You might want to start petitioning that your weapon is fine....remember how there were only a few good tankers in Chromosome and we all got nerfed? It will happen to you if you don't stop killing the ARs

I said this already...

In IRC Nova said eventually the FG will be nerfed against infantry. So w/e.

To be fair forge guns are a bit on the strong side.
Proto suit with 800 eHP killed in two splash shots from a forge gun.
And before you say anything about charge time, it was an assault forge gun, the second shot comes very quickly.

They will get nerfed into AV only then no one will use them = CCP's master plan to Ninja Buff HAV's

Splash Damage doesn't go past 400 on most fits. Meaning it takes three shots to kill someone with an 800 eHP suit. If you stand there and get shot three times by a forge gun, you deserved to die.

"Stand"
I was sprinting and trying to get to cover.
They have near instant travel time.

They can snipe you across the map, it's not that hard, I do it to relax >_>

Splash Damage doesn't go past 400 on most fits. Meaning it takes three shots to kill someone with an 800 eHP suit. If you stand there and get shot three times by a forge gun, you deserved to die.

a rail tank is mainly AV also, so if they nerf the FG, then the Rail gun needs a nerf on infantry as well.

Assault forges have a 300 M effective range, they can't fire from across the map anymore.

No BC tanks already suck and they already got a huge nerf two builds in a row. First, losing their 5m splash, and the the draw distance dropped by half, sometimes it doesn't even shoot, and the damage reduction of a glass cannon rail sniper was 50%, almost. Even if we got a similar nerf, all the good rail snipers would still direct hit infantry BC we are good at what we do. I rarely kill with splash.

doesn't change the fact that both weapons are AV, and both kill infantry.

If you nerf one, you have to nerf the other....otherwise lol. Yea let's nerf the heavy AV weapon and leave AV rail guns alone... yea that makes sense.

Tanks are not infantry.
But considering rail sniping, I think CCP will change them too.

Keep killing the ARs and you will get nerfed. Look at every other weapon ever. You might want to start petitioning that your weapon is fine....remember how there were only a few good tankers in Chromosome and we all got nerfed? It will happen to you if you don't stop killing the ARs

Tanks are not infantry.
But considering rail sniping, I think CCP will change them too.

"Stand"
I was sprinting and trying to get to cover.
They have near instant travel time.

They can snipe you across the map, it's not that hard, I do it to relax >_>

Nerfing the splash damage or radius seems like the most effective method of s reducing the infantry qq yet still keeping both rails and forges effective against vehicles, neither or those things are that important when shooting at a vehicle. Of course this being CCP they'll probably throw something else into the mix to screw it up.

Keep killing the ARs and you will get nerfed. Look at every other weapon ever. You might want to start petitioning that your weapon is fine....remember how there were only a few good tankers in Chromosome and we all got nerfed? It will happen to you if you don't stop killing the ARs

Really...

Well I need some tips then. What fit are you using? Because from what I see, there is no fit where any forge gun has over 381.33 splash damage.

Why nerf direct damage?
If you get a direct hit with those things, you deserve a kill, infantry or not.

To be fair forge guns are a bit on the strong side.
Proto suit with 800 eHP killed in two splash shots from a forge gun.
And before you say anything about charge time, it was an assault forge gun, the second shot comes very quickly.

We know our forge guns are going to get nerfed.

It's not us killing ARs that is the problem, its FOTM chasers, that will spec into it simply to tower snipe, that are the problem.

People like me who actually use it for what it is intended to do are going to lose big time because of these scrubs.

You're forgetting bonuses.
I am a Gallente assault suit, so your 381 damage turns into 419.
Even then, 381 damage should not exist, it one shots all starter fits :S

To be fair forge guns are a bit on the strong side.
Proto suit with 800 eHP killed in two splash shots from a forge gun.
And before you say anything about charge time, it was an assault forge gun, the second shot comes very quickly.

How actually are you supposed to use it?

To be fair forge guns are a bit on the strong side.
Proto suit with 800 eHP killed in two splash shots from a forge gun.
And before you say anything about charge time, it was an assault forge gun, the second shot comes very quickly.

Charlotte, just stop. The first QQ thread was ok, the second through eighth were a little annoying but funny, now it's just dumb. I'm not reading any more threads until you learn to post responsibly. That is all.

If no one listens to her complain about tanks, she has to change up her game.

Range is my only issue with forges. They have more range than an actual railgun. WTF is the logic behind that? It's stupid.

Say what one will about strategy and all that BS. If there is a forge on a ladderless tower, the team basically has 2 options. They can take a dropship up there...while the guy is waiting with his forge or they can drop everything and try to coordinate sniper fire on a heavy suit.

Either way it is more than likely a lost cause. If an individuals strategy is to don a heavy suit and hide on a tower, then that individual is a gutless turd in my opinion. Duck Hunt offers the exact same experience. If CCP intended a heavy suit to be used as any kind of sniper, then the same goes for them.....and the game is FUBU.

Range is my only issue with forges. They have more range than an actual railgun. WTF is the logic behind that? It's stupid.

Say what one will about strategy and all that BS. If there is a forge on a ladderless tower, the team basically has 2 options. They can take a dropship up there...while the guy is waiting with his forge or they can drop everything and try to coordinate sniper fire on a heavy suit.

Either way it is more than likely a lost cause. If an individuals strategy is to don a heavy suit and hide on a tower, then that individual is a gutless turd in my opinion. Duck Hunt offers the exact same experience. If CCP intended a heavy suit to be used as any kind of sniper, then the same goes for them.....and the game is FUBU.

2 things. First, if this is such a big issue for you and your forge sniper hating buddies, invest some SP into AV and try and prevent the dropship from even reaching that vantage point. If the pilot is dropping his forge baddie on the tallest tower (as you put it, the ladderless towers are generally the tallest), that means the pilot is exposing himself to EVERYONE on the map. If forge snipers are such a concern, then take em out before they dig in.

Second, coordinating an attack on a forge sniper isn't an impossible task. A talented dropship pilot with a well-fit craft and a decent gunner could drop infantry on said tower quickly. sure he might eat a round, maybe two. but that's all the time a talented pilot needs to drop infantry and forget-about-it. And why would it be a problem coordinating sniper fire on the heavy? 2 well fit snipers could take down a well-fit heavy in a couple shots a piece. Heavy armor reppers aren't effective against sustained sniper fire.

So what's the difference between getting wacked by a sniper rifle and getting wacked by a forge gun? How you handle it. Work on your squad comms before you scream nerf.

Exactly. The forge gun is a very effective AV / AoE weapon. I don't think it deserves a nerf due to the fact that it takes such a large amount of SP to skill into a decent forge fit. Not to mention only heavies can use it, and their slow-as-molasses tracking speed, not to mention the iron sights themselves, are somewhat comical. Everyone that's complaining about their infantry fit getting killed by a forge gun sniper needs to learn to evade, use cover, and out-smart the enemy. Communicate with your squad and take the forge down. Nobody is complaining about the proto charge sniper rifle 2 shotting them. Now i don't run a forge gun fit, so i'm not a forge gun fan boy. And i'm not against nerfs. The flaylock deserves it...it is a sidearm after all. I just think it's hilarious how people will complain about how a weapon should get nerfed when simply put, you got out played. Someone had a better strategy than you did and you are mad and decided to whine in the forums. Every weapon in the game is not gonna get nerfed to the same level as your AR (god i hope not!!). That's the beauty of the game. The variety of weapons and their different play styles is what makes Dust 514 shine. There is a counter for everything in the game. Sure the balance might not quite be there yet, but the forge gun nerf debate is, simply put, a gang of whining players who got sniped by a forge gun. Ridiculous.

Range is my only issue with forges. They have more range than an actual railgun. WTF is the logic behind that? It's stupid.

Say what one will about strategy and all that BS. If there is a forge on a ladderless tower, the team basically has 2 options. They can take a dropship up there...while the guy is waiting with his forge or they can drop everything and try to coordinate sniper fire on a heavy suit.

Either way it is more than likely a lost cause. If an individuals strategy is to don a heavy suit and hide on a tower, then that individual is a gutless turd in my opinion. Duck Hunt offers the exact same experience. If CCP intended a heavy suit to be used as any kind of sniper, then the same goes for them.....and the game is FUBU.

I was just playing a little ambush this morning, and the entire enemy team was on top of one of the inaccessible buildings raining down FG and MD rounds. I ran to the supply depot nearby, switched to my FG fit, and sniped them back. It was very easy to kill the FG sniper from the ground, because he was HUGE.

Maybe the solution to all the forge gun complaining lately is simply to make the roof of all buildings accessible. I'm not opposed to this -- would make for a more challenging game. A big ladder, all the way to the tippy-top of all skyscrapers in the maps. Would that stop the bitching and moaning?

Keep killing the ARs and you will get nerfed. Look at every other weapon ever. You might want to start petitioning that your weapon is fine....remember how there were only a few good tankers in Chromosome and we all got nerfed? It will happen to you if you don't stop killing the ARs

You're discounting how it typically interacts with the battle, it tends to get used as a long range bombarder in support of the infantry in the melee. Being able to reliably shave 400 health off of that 800 eHP suit just as it engages in battle with a friendly is huge. Killing a target yourself is not everything.

But they are accessible by dropships. You don't even need to skill into them to use them if you go with militia ones. Just gotta learn how to fly...

That too, but then the forge-nerffers will say that they can't even get up to us, cause we'll shoot them down. And honestly, they are right. A decent DS pilot could, if he was super quick and sneaky about it. In my experience, the team that first takes a tower generally gets to keep it for that match.

I think a lot of the anti-forge talk of late are Assault dudes who are basically pissed because they don't have an easy way to actually get up to us and personally shoot us in the face after we one-shotted them. I think it comes from the same irritation everybody felt about Manus Peak snipers, back when it actually was a peak... everybody hated them, but it was labor intensive to haul your butt up the mountain to kill that one dude at the very top who was bugging your team. They are right, to a very limited extent. I think a ladder would be a good compromise.

FG already got ninja nerfed....

Elaborate on that please? I haven't noticed anything except for visual changes.

I've noticed that the splash radius is smaller now, splash damage doesn't seem to do as much, and sometimes a direct hit with it doesn't do **** (Last one is most likely a bug). There might be more that I've missed; I'll double check it tomorrow.

I haven't noticed anything like that. Everything seems fine to me. I've been getting more direct hits the past few days though.

Hmm... wierd. I'll test it out some more tomorrow.

I hate it when CCP ninja nerfs/changes ****... like the Battle Academy.

Anything that was intentionally altered should be in the patch notes before you enter the game. The only time anything goes under the radar is when there is an unknown bug or glitch. [;)

Just like in some of the FG QQing threads, I'd like to direct people to the DEV blogs about changes to weapons. Generally, CCP supports their decisions with data. When half the players (all thirty or forty of us X-D lol) start getting ridiculous kill numbers, then it will catch CCP's eye. This is unlikely to happen, because it really is difficult to snipe with the FG.

lol the society that is Dust 514 where you get blackmailed with NERFS if you keep playing with the weapon you use the most.

Remember the Orbital Artillery!

It used to be a great outpost, with excellent vertical gameplay; sniper duels, squads climbing up to kill groups of snipers or get the jump on people below, etc. Then AR users whined about it being "sniper city" and CCP decided to remove most of the ladders and fence off the top of the buildings.

This is AR 514, and that's ruining the game.

is that why this game is so ****** vertically, I mean we drop out of drop ships then it's pretty much flat from then on...the effort put into climbing and orbital drops seems largely wasted.

Range is my only issue with forges. They have more range than an actual railgun. WTF is the logic behind that? It's stupid.

Say what one will about strategy and all that BS. If there is a forge on a ladderless tower, the team basically has 2 options. They can take a dropship up there...while the guy is waiting with his forge or they can drop everything and try to coordinate sniper fire on a heavy suit.

Either way it is more than likely a lost cause. If an individuals strategy is to don a heavy suit and hide on a tower, then that individual is a gutless turd in my opinion. Duck Hunt offers the exact same experience. If CCP intended a heavy suit to be used as any kind of sniper, then the same goes for them.....and the game is FUBU.

Well I''throw my 2 cents down as well

HTFU

Forges are fine

Tanks need a buff and more variety

Dropships need a buff and more WP gains

Armour needs a buff.

ARMOUR NEEDS A BUFF

ARMOUR NEEDS A BUFF

Whiners need a nerf.

Whiners should shut up

Players should Play

Fanbois should Fan

Devs should develop.

That is all I have to say. Thank you all for your time.

Also DONT GIVE UP THE TANK BUFF CRUSADE O'DELL IM COUNTING ON YOU!

why do folks always bash the forge gun users. Its a difficult weapon to use and master. If you see a FG rocking have some respect. Most folks can't use it because A: no scope b:Takes alot of work to get used to using it. its also very easy to defeat. Not our problem snipers dont take us out.

why do folks always bash the forge gun users. Its a difficult weapon to use and master. If you see a FG rocking have some respect. Most folks can't use it because A: no scope b:Takes alot of work to get used to using it. its also very easy to defeat. Not our problem snipers dont take us out.

a rail tank is mainly AV also, so if they nerf the FG, then the Rail gun needs a nerf on infantry as well.

IMHO FG / Rail installation / rail tanks should gtfo they're just op av weapon thatt can be easily abuse

They're much more difficult than they look. It's like a sniper rifle without the scope.

Sad because it's true...

So you hate forge guns, too?

I am a defender of all non-ARs, now. NIGGSWORM is the new Duke of UP Tank threads.

its easier to snipe with it then a sniper rifle and takes all of 3 shots to get used to using it and because it is OHK its hard to defeat w/o using it or an orbital. i kill snipers who try and take me out when using the forge.

Not really, see a vehicle point n shoot boom direct hit ?(input 1,2,3)k+ dmg already , vehicle moving shoot ahead of it problem solved. I rather take av nades to the face than get killed by some guy in butt-fck egypt rail sniping me at the comfort of the redline

Because they aren't assault rifles.

I remember hearing over chat (I know who it was, because they were a corpmate- I'm not in the corp anymore, so **** them) during codex, when assault rifles were super OP, an AR user got killed by an SMG, and they said SMGs were no-skill weapons and they should get a real gun. Coming from the guy using the laser-accurate AR with long range and no recoil.

it's actually the society of gaming, I've seen it happen in just about every online game where the devs openly discuss the game with the community.

I can name a dozen games i've watched it occur in, although almost none of you will know of them as they all deterioated into unplayability and are now closed down.

imo developing games are like cooking a fine high class dinner, you go to school, you study and practice, you learn how to do it and then you get it done, what occurs in communities like these is if after all that time learning to develop you went and asked 14 year old high school kids to make the meal for you.....you're just going to end up with kraft dinner and if your lucky it might have ketchup.

IMHO FG / Rail installation / rail tanks should gtfo they're just op av weapon thatt can be easily abuse

How so? They're mounted on tanks that can be 3 shorter by proto AV. Show me with numbers exactly why they are OP.

Maybe the solution to all the forge gun complaining lately is simply to make the roof of all buildings accessible. I'm not opposed to this -- would make for a more challenging game. A big ladder, all the way to the tippy-top of all skyscrapers in the maps. Would that stop the bitching and moaning?

pls explain how u can even reach the redline tank on the mountain beyond your reach, chances r its a typical maddy with proto rail and all it has to do is move back 3inches to advoid your av w/e weapon.

Btw
Proto rail can reach up to 2k+ dmg combine that with that unseen / unreachable maddy tank and there you go profit

rail tanks snipe infantry...

very similar to what forge gunners do.

From up there their effectiveness is limited. One FG can further hampen them by forcing a LoS break after taking a couple of rounds. If destruction is not on the cards suppression is a fine substitute.

You really want it dead? Get two people making a joint strike with Wiyrkomi Breach FGs. Looking at about 6600 damage... if striking beneath the tracks for 120% efficiency is feasible, 7920.

As for them operating completely out of range in the 400+ metre mark, well... not many such perches exist with a good vantage over important areas. Also the minor caveat that targets won't even render at the rail's maximum range.

Someday, there will be tanks called the TakeCover OrDie, the O'Dell, and the Caeli.

pls explain how u can even reach the redline tank on the mountain beyond your reach, chances r its a typical maddy with proto rail and all it has to do is move back 3inches to advoid your av w/e weapon.

Btw
Proto rail can reach up to 2k+ dmg combine that with that unseen / unreachable maddy tank and there you go profit

pls explain how u can even reach the redline tank on the mountain beyond your reach, chances r its a typical maddy with proto rail and all it has to do is move back 3inches to advoid your av w/e weapon.

Btw
Proto rail can reach up to 2k+ dmg combine that with that unseen / unreachable maddy tank and there you go profit

tanks rarely ever get profit, if you think otherwise, it makes sense for you to think that way, tanks are extremely hard to drive, im always having to watch out for 10+ weapons that can kill me every match, along with looking for enemy tanks to destroy..... anything that is bigger than a human takes skill to use whether people like you accept it or not.

The tank does not Want to be in debt for 7 games. Buff tanks or reduce price and rail sniping will be cut down by a lot.
It's no different than brand new players against stacked protons who decide to snipe.