Actually looks pretty good in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyGxjCMXago&feature=youtu.be&a

Anyone as an individual, or corp, making good use of it?

Actually looks pretty good in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyGxjCMXago&feature=youtu.be&a

Anyone as an individual, or corp, making good use of it?

Actually looks pretty good in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyGxjCMXago&feature=youtu.be&a

Anyone as an individual, or corp, making good use of it?

Shared vision for squads disabled.
HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.

Hit indication is FF is off is disabled.

We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication is FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.

Pertaining to active scanners on vehicles, will it display info to my entire team if i'm not in a squad?

>Inb4 lern2sqd

Only downside is the person using it does not get WP for spotting enemies. It works good though.

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

Is this going to work cohesively w the mass driver or are we going to have to aim down before we aim up to see HP bars/target intel?

Also, since objectives can't be blown up, and only hacked, is there any way to turn off the hit indicator for it?

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

I like this a lot but I would like some elaboration if that is okay.

Shared vision for Squads is disabled - but is shared vision for Teams disabled as well..? This would be a massive (and very much needed) buff to Scouts and may even pave way for bringing back the pre-Uprising dropsuit scan ranges as 2.5m is a little low. The only time something dips within 2.5m is if it's using Knives, at which point you are already dead.

As far as Active Scanners being more important as far as tactical mechanics - they really need to give some kind of WP to the user. I have a thread regarding a properly balanced method of doing this here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1068738#post1068738

I'd also like to propose that Cloaking (if it's even still on the table) should be limited to Scouts to give them a specific role that makes them unique, much like Sentinels are permitted the use of Heavy Weaponry as an example. This would make the Scout a very terrifying force to be reckoned with and the Active Scanner that much more essential to front-liners.

How then will I annoy friendly snipers by shooting them in the back, and watching them get up and run scared?

It's the only way I know right now to let them know I disapprove of their role choice.

Yes shared vision for squads and teams is disabled in our current internal build. Personally I've found it makes the game more exciting.

Agree on it needing WP rewards. We're doing our best to get to those as soon as we can.

Cloaking is still on the table, not going to speak about that atm though :-)

Wait...a downgrade to TacNet is supposed to make this game more tactical?

So I won't be able to see where my allies (not in my squad) are doing in the distance/on the mini-map?

I guess I have to see how that works first...

Anyway, will have shooting,... have any effect on getting scanned?

Wait...a downgrade to TacNet is supposed to make this game more tactical?

So I won't be able to see where my allies (not in my squad) are doing in the distance/on the mini-map?

I guess I have to see how that works first...

Anyway, will have shooting,... have any effect on getting scanned?

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

The problem is that the comms structure is not all there yet, as most of us Squad Players tend to be squad chat more often than not mainly because being on Team Chat means a lot of people speaking at once with no indication of who is currently speaking directly on the HUD. Is it a possibility to add this in? Nothing intrusive, just a name and a speaker symbol

You will always see team mates on the minimap and if they are in front of you. You just will not have the annoying chevrons sticking around at the edge of the screen for guys that are not in your line of sight.

we dont talk about scanners much to keep them under the nerf radar

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

I run around with a sniper rifle most of the time now so I would really like AP mines and the cloak!
However, disabling the TAC-NET will turn this into COD gun-and-run style, not to mention the amount of complaints from sniper.

my snipering would actually like some form of UI suppression, currently when a half dead target runs a pack of reds its an effective defence against being sniped.... all I can see is a bunch of chevrons with names popping out at random, and no way to differentiate targets. I don't think these changes will solve this issue, unless we can somehow "lock-on" to a target to suppress every other targets intel.

Is an incentive of WP really necessary? Isn't it good enough just knowing how many enemies are ahead, what direction they are facing and where they are going so you can get the drop on them not incentive enough?

Nope.

It's one of those things that most players will just say: "Meh, someone else can do it, I wanna shoot peeps in the face."

Plus, any way for noobs to make some WP without getting face-raped up front trying to be rambo is a good thing.

Oh great, I'm going to be labelled as a noob just cus I use 'tactics' -_-

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.

Noob and a WP poor player. I would love proper tactic but... there's us and the rest of the gun toting grunts...

I average the 1000 WP cap most games anyway (with a decent kill ratio) I don't need the extra points

Is an incentive of WP really necessary? Isn't it good enough just knowing how many enemies are ahead, what direction they are facing and where they are going so you can get the drop on them not incentive enough?

I would like a new variant of the active scanner called the target designator, it would work at sniper ranges.

I think CCP should give us the power to decide what is on our HUD to a reasonable degree.... i.e. nametags.... I don't think they should make that decision for us, give us the option to toggle them.

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

I would like a new variant of the active scanner called the target designator, it would work at sniper ranges.

I would like a new variant of the active scanner called the target designator, it would work at sniper ranges.

You will always see team mates on the minimap and if they are in front of you. You just will not have the annoying chevrons sticking around at the edge of the screen for guys that are not in your line of sight.

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.

Don't like.




What?




Can you give us the option to turn these off instead of making it mandatory? Some of us aren't distracted by more than one thing on the screen and can handle multiple sources of information at once.

This is going to be an odd and unpopular request but I feel it's worth throwing out their. Can we just remove the health bars all together. As I have found it makes for much more tense gameplay and encourages players to think before they shoot

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

we dont talk about scanners much to keep them under the nerf radar

You will always see team mates on the minimap and if they are in front of you. You just will not have the annoying chevrons sticking around at the edge of the screen for guys that are not in your line of sight.

Actually looks pretty good in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyGxjCMXago&feature=youtu.be&a

Anyone as an individual, or corp, making good use of it?

For the first bullet point: You provide inadequate comms for communicating intel without significant chatter. Now you're suggesting that you're thinking of making inter-squad chatter a tad more crucial. Nopenopenope. It's also pretty damn hard to spot tanks at the moment, which is a detriment to the tank vs. tank gameplay. Removing team sight actually exacerbates this issue in an already ailing gameplay role.


For the second: So what you're saying is that you're limiting active scanning results to squad members only. This will encourage fewer of the things, not more. The active scanner already has severe penalties associated with its use. You have to take it out and hold it in your hands for one. You've also got the problem that targets are informed that they've been scanned. The better you make the scanner, the more of penalty you turn this notification into. So yeah, devoting an active scanner to an equipment slot in 3 squads isn't worth the utility since it's just going to add to the egregious amount of chatter.

Yes shared vision for squads and teams is disabled in our current internal build. Personally I've found it makes the game more exciting.

Agree on it needing WP rewards. We're doing our best to get to those as soon as we can.

Cloaking is still on the table, not going to speak about that atm though :-)

Then we need cordinates or something like that on the map, to be able to call out positions
either that or a TAG command, like the ones that the squad leader can issue, but for everybody, just to pinpoint a location

We need a team wide comms wheel. Matches are chaotic enough as it is and these changes are likely to turn pubs into a lonewolf rambo fest without any way to communicate apart from team chat (that nobody uses most of the time)

Please, CCP Wolfman account for the general lack of practical communication options between blueberries before green lighting these changes.

It feels like you're trying to create opportunities for scouts and scanning by hobbling the TacNet. The entire team should have access to targets that appear to any of its members. I would love for the scout role to be intelligence gathering but I disagree with this direction.

The only reason I can see for a team not sharing data among all its members is if the network is disrupted in some way. Some form of EW could disable sharing or maybe there needs to be some sort of TacNet relay which can be disrupted or destroyed.

A squad commander with a TacNet relay, a command or scout vehicle with team wide relay, or some sort of droppable device could be required for whole team radar sharing. If that item is destroyed or possibly just fluxed into submission for a time then the TacNet is disrupted and targets drop off your radar until the connection is replaced or recovers in some fashion.

Make the TacNet a tangible asset on the battlefield that can be affected. If you fail to bring the required relays then somebody better go back and grab one or deal with operating blindly.

How then will I annoy friendly snipers by shooting them in the back, and watching them get up and run scared?

It's the only way I know right now to let them know I disapprove of their role choice.

Too many comments! IGÇÖll try and address some of the points IGÇÖve seenGǪ

If scanners are sharing info to the whole team then it is actually a bug. I suspect that you may simply think it is sharing to the whole team because the UI is so unclear. With no way for you or your team mates to distinguish between active scan, passive scan and shared vision results itGÇÖs not easy to understand why you are seeing what you are seeing. This is something we wanted (and I think needed) to improve.

I was a little worried myself about the impact of only seeing the HP of targeted entities but in testing so far IGÇÖve found it to be a positive change. I no longer encounter a group of as little as 3 players and fail to see the names/HP status of any of them because the tags are all on top of one another. That situation is counter to the whole point of having tags in the first place. I used to encounter even worse situations where I couldnGÇÖt even pick a target because there is just a blob of tags in the way. That just had to go.

IGÇÖve also found itGÇÖs made the game more exciting and less of a GÇÿhunt the red chevronGÇÖ contest

We will be implementing WP rewards for the scanner. Right now weGÇÖre not sure if they will make it for 1.4, itGÇÖs getting a bit tight so keep your fingers crossed.

Lastly, donGÇÖt forget this is something we can and will continue to work on and improve with your feedback.

Now if you can just make HP a single bar instead of shields/armor as it favors shield tanking from a teamfire point of view, as it makes armor tankers get focused more as they always look like they are at half health in combat thus drawing more fire. It should be a combined single bar.

Too many comments! IGÇÖll try and address some of the points IGÇÖve seenGǪ

If scanners are sharing info to the whole team then it is actually a bug. I suspect that you may simply think it is sharing to the whole team because the UI is so unclear. With no way for you or your team mates to distinguish between active scan, passive scan and shared vision results itGÇÖs not easy to understand why you are seeing what you are seeing. This is something we wanted (and I think needed) to improve.

I was a little worried myself about the impact of only seeing the HP of targeted entities but in testing so far IGÇÖve found it to be a positive change. I no longer encounter a group of as little as 3 players and fail to see the names/HP status of any of them because the tags are all on top of one another. That situation is counter to the whole point of having tags in the first place. I used to encounter even worse situations where I couldnGÇÖt even pick a target because there is just a blob of tags in the way. That just had to go.

IGÇÖve also found itGÇÖs made the game more exciting and less of a GÇÿhunt the red chevronGÇÖ contest

We will be implementing WP rewards for the scanner. Right now weGÇÖre not sure if they will make it for 1.4, itGÇÖs getting a bit tight so keep your fingers crossed.

Lastly, donGÇÖt forget this is something we can and will continue to work on and improve with your feedback.

Too many comments! IGÇÖll try and address some of the points IGÇÖve seenGǪ

If scanners are sharing info to the whole team then it is actually a bug. I suspect that you may simply think it is sharing to the whole team because the UI is so unclear. With no way for you or your team mates to distinguish between active scan, passive scan and shared vision results itGÇÖs not easy to understand why you are seeing what you are seeing. This is something we wanted (and I think needed) to improve.

I was a little worried myself about the impact of only seeing the HP of targeted entities but in testing so far IGÇÖve found it to be a positive change. I no longer encounter a group of as little as 3 players and fail to see the names/HP status of any of them because the tags are all on top of one another. That situation is counter to the whole point of having tags in the first place. I used to encounter even worse situations where I couldnGÇÖt even pick a target because there is just a blob of tags in the way. That just had to go.

IGÇÖve also found itGÇÖs made the game more exciting and less of a GÇÿhunt the red chevronGÇÖ contest

We will be implementing WP rewards for the scanner. Right now weGÇÖre not sure if they will make it for 1.4, itGÇÖs getting a bit tight so keep your fingers crossed.

Lastly, donGÇÖt forget this is something we can and will continue to work on and improve with your feedback.

Actually looks pretty good in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyGxjCMXago&feature=youtu.be&a

Anyone as an individual, or corp, making good use of it?

IGÇÖve also found itGÇÖs made the game more exciting and less of a GÇÿhunt the red chevronGÇÖ contest

Wolfman if you are still monitoring this thread, have you fixed internally the bug where active scanners frequently don't detect anything (even things that certainly should be detected). It was mentioned as 'working on fix' in one of the weekly bug report threads about a month ago

Here's a link to my post in feedback thread.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90589&find=unread

I was a little worried myself about the impact of only seeing the HP of targeted entities but in testing so far IGÇÖve found it to be a positive change. I no longer encounter a group of as little as 3 players and fail to see the names/HP status of any of them because the tags are all on top of one another. That situation is counter to the whole point of having tags in the first place. I used to encounter even worse situations where I couldnGÇÖt even pick a target because there is just a blob of tags in the way. That just had to go.

I don't personal use it, but I've seen others and my brother use it. I love the idea, knowing where your enemy is is definitely an advantage (especially with the proto one that shows them for 25 sec iirc). I haven't heard any complaints about its effectiveness, the only thing to change, imho, should be to give it spotting/ kill assist war points (like 3-5pts. per kill during the effect time) giving more of an incentive to use it (same thing with the vehicle active scanner).

IGÇÖve also found itGÇÖs made the game more exciting and less of a GÇÿhunt the red chevronGÇÖ contest

An increasingly technological battlefield is marked by increasing levels of communication and integration. The concept of the TACNET drawing on all available data so that every clone sees with the eyes of the entire team is a distinguishing feature of Dust. The battles and firefights have plenty of tension, we don't need a blindfold in order to crank it up more, it will just diminish the capacity to employ proper teamwork.

The problem is that there are three expensive skills (x3) in the Electronics branch (Range Amplification, Precision Enhancement, and Profile Dampening) that are utterly broken right now. All three affect the usefulness and power of the minimap and chevron rendering. But the current state of play is: "Everyone sees everything everyone else sees every time." It's valid if you think TACNET should do that work for you, but I disagree.

I want stealth to be a more viable tactic, meaning you have a chance to kill your spotter before he reveals you. Right now your exact location is briefly given to all enemies on the map. And once stealth is viable, anti-stealth spotting will also be viable. And suddenly we have several new roles.

But the current state of play is: "Everyone sees everything everyone else sees every time." It's valid if you think TACNET should do that work for you, but I disagree.

Actually looks pretty good in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyGxjCMXago&feature=youtu.be&a

Anyone as an individual, or corp, making good use of it?

First off, 'yay!'. Second, when you've tidied the hud and reward players active scanning, maybe you can then work on passive scanners and explain how they are supposed to interact with the sensors skills?

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I'm not sure profile dampening actually does anything outside being scanned by active scanners - and scan precision...? As well as actually solidifying an important section of game mechanics , It could appease scouts somewhat, no? Also introducing similar armour/shield detection mechanics that EVE has could help appease armour tankers. So many issues could be eased/resolved if you actually complete this section of the game...

I see this as a blessing and a curse. It means the information I gather for myself is very valuable, also I can always pass the information on verbally over comms.

Yes shared vision for squads and teams is disabled in our current internal build. Personally I've found it makes the game more exciting.

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

Also, in the spirit of reducing clutter: Fix the bug that keeps enemy nanohives and uplinks visible across the whole map. It gets so crowded on both the spawn-in map and the minimap/radar that it's really hard to see what's going on. That's a lot more efficient to prevent uplink spam than the ninja nerf where you reduced the number of active uplinks allowed. Logis get around that by equipping several types of uplinks, giving them another advantage over the scout's one equipment slot. A scout should be able to penetrate deep into the enemy's territory to stage a surprise attack. One measily uplink placement is not enough for that.

first LAV's will push infantry to the side if hit with front bumper wich makes no sense and now this?

WP for doing nothing?

who is the person approving what to change and what not?

because most decisions are plain ******** , no pun intended

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

^ This.

Shouldn't we have squad leaders with cross squad/team chat? So Three squads would mean the three leaders are in a chat with the other leaders and their squad?

Yes shared vision for squads and teams is disabled in our current internal build.

This.

[quote=CCP Wolfman]
Awwww... Snipers are going to hate this - it really allows them to provide more value for the team. Now you'll get even more lone wolf snipers.

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

Hit indicators will be turned off in pub matches. If you get pegged with a sniper round and survive, you will not know what direction it came from. Even if the sniper is spotted by a friendly his chevron wont show up to anybody else. Good snipers are going to become ghosts.

I would fit one but the Cpu and Pg requirement are high and i run a minmatar suit

Be nice to have a scanner that could be usefull for finding snipers. y'know seeing as the max range of even the best scanner is 200m and range of a sniper rifle is 600m. even on my sniper alt with gal scout 5 and the electronic skills to 5 and having mods fitted snipers don't show up a great deal.

You will always see team mates on the minimap and if they are in front of you. You just will not have the annoying chevrons sticking around at the edge of the screen for guys that are not in your line of sight.

-In a much more stealth-important environment, the element of suprise is key.
- (NERF) Mass Drivers will be bringing much more attention to themselves.
- (BUFF) Vehicles will be seen by fewer people, thereby making groups of AV less likely, esp in pub matches.
- (BUFF) Armor suits and logis with their abundant lowslots will allow for more avoidance of scanners.

Actually looks pretty good in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyGxjCMXago&feature=youtu.be&a

Anyone as an individual, or corp, making good use of it?

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

we plan to add WP for scanning as soon as we can

Wolfman if you are still monitoring this thread, have you fixed internally the bug where active scanners frequently don't detect anything (even things that certainly should be detected). It was mentioned as 'working on fix' in one of the weekly bug report threads about a month ago

Here's a link to my post in feedback thread.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90589&find=unread

The "take shared radar out", makes no sense to me. It contradicts the whole concept of having a "Tactical Network". Beyond that, if CCP wants to encourage teamwork more.. just make it EASIER TO COMMUNICATE!!

I am hoping the duration bugs on the active scanners got fixed. Enemies currently do not stay on your minimap more than a couple seconds even on the high duration scanners.

You will always see team mates on the minimap and if they are in front of you. You just will not have the annoying chevrons sticking around at the edge of the screen for guys that are not in your line of sight.

Regarding objective hit indication, we want to fix that, it's on the list along with lots of little things

Don't like.




What?




Can you give us the option to turn these off instead of making it mandatory? Some of us aren't distracted by more than one thing on the screen and can handle multiple sources of information at once.

How is the scanner relevant to a sniper? I believe it is only good for 100M. I shoot from 300M or more.

This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.

What are we testing?

• Shared vision for squads disabled.
• Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
• The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
• Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
• HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
• Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.

Why are we testing this?

• We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
• We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
• We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.

How is it going?

Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)

Id like to ask, if i may, how many meters are the ticks on the mini map at? ive always wondered so i can get a better idea of the distance between me and my enemy, but im usually to busy getting shot at to stop and get a distance reading to compair with the mini map. if someone could drop this info, i would be very thankful :)

I think its like 10, 50 and 100.

Maybe squad up with a Spotter (e.g. squad tactics)?

PS: I'm admittedly biased and in favor of the proposed TacNet change. This particular change would encourage squad variety and better communication. By combining this change -- which will make Scouts matter -- with the Heavy buffs coming in 1.4, we may finally break from medium-frame monotony. Variety, role depth, more exciting combat ... these are all good for the game. For what its worth, that's my two cents.

Wolfman, without shared vision will it be possible to bump the effectiveness of the long range scanning and profile analysis skills? As passives for flanking, they currently aren't very good, but I understand you guys couldn't allow everyone to see 50m at 360 degrees and share it all. The maps would have been giant radar dishes.

With this change though, it seems like a great time to address the EWAR skills in general, not just active scanners. You could safely move a scouts scan range to 75 or 100m (by lvl 5 long range with modules) now that they aren't sharing vision.

You will always see team mates on the minimap and if they are in front of you. You just will not have the annoying chevrons sticking around at the edge of the screen for guys that are not in your line of sight.

Bump! This is going to be a big deal people. Get ready for getting surprised all the time in skirmish/domination.

Now if you can just make HP a single bar instead of shields/armor as it favors shield tanking from a teamfire point of view, as it makes armor tankers get focused more as they always look like they are at half health in combat thus drawing more fire. It should be a combined single bar.

Even as a sniper, I don't often encounter issues with the current tags.

you even tried increasing the transparency or scaling the tags?

bigger concern is that you're crippling the overwatch role without providing a decent substitute.

Also, if you really want to reduce threat detection from a distance, remove enemy hives and uplinks from the overhead map unless a friendly is detecting it.

meaningful change would be to show the scout suits some "detection love" since they're so much on the squishy side these days.