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Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
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Posted - 2013.08.07 21:12:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:
-In a much more stealth-important environment, the element of suprise is key.
- (NERF) Mass Drivers will be bringing much more attention to themselves.
- (BUFF) Vehicles will be seen by fewer people, thereby making groups of AV less likely, esp in pub matches.
- (BUFF) Armor suits and logis with their abundant lowslots will allow for more avoidance of scanners.
Not seeing how this affects mass drivers. If its a nerf, its because they won't have squad vision to point out guys hiding behind cover.
Hooray stealth tanks 
Not convinced. HP > all. This is a shooter.  |
BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
29
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:30:00 -
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Point Scoring
this topic got booker and myself talking and this was the result, thanks for the inspiration RRCork |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
567
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Posted - 2013.08.15 16:03:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally.
Hi Wolfman,
So 1.4 ain't lookin' too pretty for Scouts.
Kinda feel like the fat girl at prom.
Hungry, neglected, and willing to stoop to low moral standards (like proto nades).
Anywho, we've have placed a measure of hope in this thread.
Care to share whether or not TacNet changes will make it into 1.4?
Thanks,
Shotty GoBang |
low genius
the sound of freedom
Renegade Alliance
299
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Posted - 2013.08.15 16:31:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Only downside is the person using it does not get WP for spotting enemies. It works good though. we plan to add WP for scanning as soon as we can
thanks for that. it doesn't have to be substantial. just something. |
low genius
the sound of freedom
Renegade Alliance
299
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Posted - 2013.08.15 16:36:00 -
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Rubico wrote:Wolfman if you are still monitoring this thread, have you fixed internally the bug where active scanners frequently don't detect anything (even things that certainly should be detected). It was mentioned as 'working on fix' in one of the weekly bug report threads about a month ago Here's a link to my post in feedback thread. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90589&find=unread
are you sure you're in range? the only other thing i can think of is that people are spawning after you've scanned. |
Quil Evrything
U.N.S.C. secter V
0
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:06:00 -
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The "take shared radar out", makes no sense to me. It contradicts the whole concept of having a "Tactical Network".
Beyond that, if CCP wants to encourage teamwork more.. just make it EASIER TO COMMUNICATE!!
Point 1:
I have *3* mikes. my playstation eye. A mike-only USB Yeti microphone. And a USB headset specifically marketed towards PS3 chat type stuff.
*NONE* of them seem to work in-game, even though my PS3 system settings successfully recognize them and allow me to set them as the microphone device.
At minimum, the game supposedly has move support. Fully suporting it, should also mean it supports the hardware required for Move: the camera *with built in microphone* ??!!
Point 2:
Sometimes, voice is annoying anyway. particularly when you have a bratty mouthy 10 year old on the channel, who leaves mic live all the time, rather than push-to-talk. ugh.
Make it so that text comunication can be viably used, rather than having to pull up a separate menu overlay to use it?!?
I find that lots more people seem to have a keyboard, than a working mic, in game. Yet we cant use it tactically. This makes no sense.
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Shadowswipe
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
196
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:28:00 -
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CCP Wolfman, any word on when we will see these changes on a live build? 1.4 perhaps? |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
569
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:36:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:The "take shared radar out", makes no sense to me. It contradicts the whole concept of having a "Tactical Network". Beyond that, if CCP wants to encourage teamwork more.. just make it EASIER TO COMMUNICATE!!
Examples of Teamwork & Communication:
"Scout with knives, sneaking around behind our line!"
"Shotgun Scout got me, he's lurking around our Supply Depot."
"Eyes on a Scout Sniper. He's 50 meters to your northwest."
Example of No Teamwork / No Communication:
Scout kills red dot. Scout's exact position displayed on everyone's screen. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
711
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:18:00 -
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I am hoping the duration bugs on the active scanners got fixed. Enemies currently do not stay on your minimap more than a couple seconds even on the high duration scanners. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
575
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:41:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:I am hoping the duration bugs on the active scanners got fixed. Enemies currently do not stay on your minimap more than a couple seconds even on the high duration scanners.
The trick is to paint your target for the entire scan duration.
So try holding that thing steady 'til its done scanning, then it'll work for you.
Also, when your scanner jams, give it a shake by tapping melee.
Frees it up quick. |
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Croned
C0NTRA UNIT
Lokun Listamenn
366
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Posted - 2013.08.16 06:58:00 -
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How will this affect the ability to see reds on the map when calling in a Percision Strike? |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.08.16 08:29:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:RKKR wrote:Wait...a downgrade to TacNet is supposed to make this game more tactical?
So I won't be able to see where my allies (not in my squad) are doing in the distance/on the mini-map?
I guess I have to see how that works first...
Anyway, will have shooting,... have any effect on getting scanned? You will always see team mates on the minimap and if they are in front of you. You just will not have the annoying chevrons sticking around at the edge of the screen for guys that are not in your line of sight.
Never found the extra chevrons annoying... I'm one of those people who like playing tactical games that offer a lot of strategy. Starcraft etc.) so I like extra info on the screen such as the health of enemies and indicators near me.
Ally indicators are just as useful.. When a chevron disappears from behind me I know an enemy is back there, or it gives me help finding the angle of an enemy sniper.
CCP Wolfman wrote:
Regarding objective hit indication, we want to fix that, it's on the list along with lots of little things
The hit detection pings for objectives make excellent tactical cover... Vs those who don't aim. It also helps me find snipers who don't bother reading the efficiency readouts.
In other words I've found this to be beneficial. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
312
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Posted - 2013.08.16 14:13:00 -
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How is the scanner relevant to a sniper? I believe it is only good for 100M. I shoot from 300M or more. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
Alpha Wolf Pack
97
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Posted - 2013.08.16 14:33:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:
Shared vision for squads disabled.
HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
Don't like. Quote:Hit indication is FF is off is disabled. What? Quote:We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up. Can you give us the option to turn these off instead of making it mandatory? Some of us aren't distracted by more than one thing on the screen and can handle multiple sources of information at once. I have to echo all these sentiments. Disabling the HP bars for targets not actively being aimed/fired at will make my job as a Logi extremely harder to prioritize targets, considering that there won't be an easy way to assay the situation. It's already hard enough to lock onto targets with the repper, since it doesn't prioritize targets with less-than-100% armor, and in a crowded group of guys, it means that it normally takes 2-3 "fires" of the repper to get the right target. Don't make it harder for me to select who needs healing by making me have to individually select each one.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
398
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Posted - 2013.08.16 14:38:00 -
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Btw, this video shows what's wrong with Active Scanner - it's a logi module. You see a logi, again, doing a scout's job. Getting fast to the objectives, using stealth to jump enemies, taking advantage of fast hacking. Also, did you see how that logi has no margin of error on the scan? Why ever bother with a scout? |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
576
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Posted - 2013.08.16 16:40:00 -
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calvin b wrote:How is the scanner relevant to a sniper? I believe it is only good for 100M. I shoot from 300M or more.
Maybe squad up with a Spotter (e.g. squad tactics)? |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1557
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:30:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:This seems like a good opportunity to tell you about some of the scanning related things weGÇÖre currently testing internally. What are we testing?
- Shared vision for squads disabled.
- Team member chevrons only visible when they are in LOS. Squad chevrons remain 3D (stick to the edge of the screen).
- The active scanner shares all scan results with your squad.
- Pretty little pulsing effect on things that have been scanned so you can understand why you are seeing them and why they disappear.
- HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
- Hit indication if FF is off is disabled.
Why are we testing this?
- We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
- We feel that scanning in particular is unclear, you often didnGÇÖt really know why you see some things and not others.
- We want active scanning to be a more important tactical mechanic.
How is it going?Pretty well, quite happy with it so far :-)
why this? where is PvE??? where is the missing suits? commander rts mode? factional warfare real rewards, why doesn't the HOLO MAP TABLE WORK REMOVE IT FOR NOW, how about the missing weapons? Skrimish 1.0 as the final stage in taking over a district, the choice to nue it or hack it with the MCC *like I've already done in your game over 2 years ago*
Where is the VITA app that was going to be done 9 months ago.
so on... |
Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock
Ultramarine Corp
26
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Posted - 2013.08.17 01:18:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:Id like to ask, if i may, how many meters are the ticks on the mini map at? ive always wondered so i can get a better idea of the distance between me and my enemy, but im usually to busy getting shot at to stop and get a distance reading to compair with the mini map. if someone could drop this info, i would be very thankful :)
I think its like 10, 50 and 100. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1097
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Posted - 2013.08.17 01:27:00 -
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Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:Paladin Sas wrote:Id like to ask, if i may, how many meters are the ticks on the mini map at? ive always wondered so i can get a better idea of the distance between me and my enemy, but im usually to busy getting shot at to stop and get a distance reading to compair with the mini map. if someone could drop this info, i would be very thankful :) I think its like 10, 50 and 100.
The middile circle is 50m. So I think the ticks in between are 10 or 15m. but that middle circle is surely 50m. I make sure to not engage targets inside that circle with my laser rifle. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege
General Tso's Alliance
132
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Posted - 2013.08.17 03:25:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:calvin b wrote:How is the scanner relevant to a sniper? I believe it is only good for 100M. I shoot from 300M or more. Maybe squad up with a Spotter (e.g. squad tactics)? PS: I'm admittedly biased and in favor of the proposed TacNet change. This particular change would encourage squad variety and better communication. By combining this change -- which will make Scouts matter -- with the Heavy buffs coming in 1.4, we may finally break from medium-frame monotony. Variety, role depth, more exciting combat ... these are all good for the game. For what its worth, that's my two cents.
I'd think you would see more medium frames carrying active scanners than converts to scouts. The heavy buff is nice for heavies so good for them. |
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
901
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Posted - 2013.08.17 20:10:00 -
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Ivan Avogadro wrote:Wolfman, without shared vision will it be possible to bump the effectiveness of the long range scanning and profile analysis skills? As passives for flanking, they currently aren't very good, but I understand you guys couldn't allow everyone to see 50m at 360 degrees and share it all. The maps would have been giant radar dishes.
With this change though, it seems like a great time to address the EWAR skills in general, not just active scanners. You could safely move a scouts scan range to 75 or 100m (by lvl 5 long range with modules) now that they aren't sharing vision.
This makes a lot of sense.
If you see a group, you break out your scanner and scan them to present the info to your squad mates. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Beyond Hypothetical Box
144
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Posted - 2013.08.18 18:25:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:RKKR wrote:Wait...a downgrade to TacNet is supposed to make this game more tactical?
So I won't be able to see where my allies (not in my squad) are doing in the distance/on the mini-map?
I guess I have to see how that works first...
Anyway, will have shooting,... have any effect on getting scanned? You will always see team mates on the minimap and if they are in front of you. You just will not have the annoying chevrons sticking around at the edge of the screen for guys that are not in your line of sight.
I'm Railgun HAV pilot. Sometimes people that is in front of me are invisible, because of draw distance, will I see they chevrons?
And something scanning related - if some of my teammates see enemy vehicle, and he is in Pilot suit, I want to see red-marker of it on me TacNet. Actually it makes sense if all the pilots shared they TacNet system. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1113
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Posted - 2013.08.19 11:35:00 -
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Bump! This is going to be a big deal people. Get ready for getting surprised all the time in skirmish/domination. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
171
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Posted - 2013.08.19 11:37:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Bump! This is going to be a big deal people. Get ready for getting surprised all the time in skirmish/domination.
Not for me, I never leave the merc quarters without it on on my logi |
Poonmunch
DUST University
Ivy League
196
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:38:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:
HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at.
We are unhappy with how much noise there is on the HUD. It often gets in the way (tags in particular) rather than helping you understand what is going on. We want to clean it up.
YES, YES, YES!
Every sniper just had a religious experience.
/ first born male child sent.
Munch |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
23
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:56:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:Too many comments! IGÇÖll try and address some of the points IGÇÖve seenGǪ If scanners are sharing info to the whole team then it is actually a bug. I suspect that you may simply think it is sharing to the whole team because the UI is so unclear. With no way for you or your team mates to distinguish between active scan, passive scan and shared vision results itGÇÖs not easy to understand why you are seeing what you are seeing. This is something we wanted (and I think needed) to improve. I was a little worried myself about the impact of only seeing the HP of targeted entities but in testing so far IGÇÖve found it to be a positive change. I no longer encounter a group of as little as 3 players and fail to see the names/HP status of any of them because the tags are all on top of one another. That situation is counter to the whole point of having tags in the first place. I used to encounter even worse situations where I couldnGÇÖt even pick a target because there is just a blob of tags in the way. That just had to go. IGÇÖve also found itGÇÖs made the game more exciting and less of a GÇÿhunt the red chevronGÇÖ contest  We will be implementing WP rewards for the scanner. Right now weGÇÖre not sure if they will make it for 1.4, itGÇÖs getting a bit tight so keep your fingers crossed. Lastly, donGÇÖt forget this is something we can and will continue to work on and improve with your feedback. Now if you can just make HP a single bar instead of shields/armor as it favors shield tanking from a teamfire point of view, as it makes armor tankers get focused more as they always look like they are at half health in combat thus drawing more fire. It should be a combined single bar.
+1. Same for the HUD area showing your own health. Tough to tell out of your peripheral vision if you are out of shields or armor. Changing to one bar for both makes sense to me. |
Poonmunch
DUST University
Ivy League
196
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:16:00 -
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Jesper Kines wrote:
Even as a sniper, I don't often encounter issues with the current tags.
I disagree. When the reds are in a big cluster it is very difficult to distinguish one from the other. Good teams know this and cluster around hackers, objectives and run around the map in tight groups.
Jesper Kines wrote: you even tried increasing the transparency or scaling the tags?
This is a good idea, especially if I could turn this on/off in the game settings.
Jesper Kines wrote: bigger concern is that you're crippling the overwatch role without providing a decent substitute.
I agree, we have to watch this.
Jesper Kines wrote:Also, if you really want to reduce threat detection from a distance, remove enemy hives and uplinks from the overhead map unless a friendly is detecting it.
I agree. Or at least let me dim them on my HUD. Again, a big cluster of these can completely obscure a sniper's visualization of an objective and I can't see reds in the glare of nano hives.
Jesper Kines wrote: meaningful change would be to show the scout suits some "detection love" since they're so much on the squishy side these days.
Scouts have asked for love repeatedly. This seems reasonable.
Munch |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
792
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:18:00 -
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I don't like this thread. Someone nerf the active scanner. |
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