Because in most games they don't give you the ability to have 12 jeeps running round on a map the size of a football stadium.

Also because the physics are better in other games. Just touching a LAV in motion does more damage than getting hit in the face with 4 forge gun shots simultaneously. In other games you can jump on the hood, or roll off to the side for reduced damage. DUST LAVs will destroy the toughest heavy with the lightest touch.

Are you claiming Dust maps are small in comparison to other shooters with vehicles? Because that's completely wrong. As for vehicle amount, Halo can have 4 warthogs and 4 ghosts simultaneously in most 16v16 game types and BF3 has a similar amount of roadkill capable vehicles.

i never had a issue where majority of the enemy wants to just drive you over instead of using the gun in a fps. Thats game breaking, might as well being playing mario kart.

OK, so you'd be happy with CCP putting in a whole spectrum of impact damage instead of the current binary system of fine or dead? I can agree that that would be helpful.

But why is it an issue here and not elsewhere? What about the mechanics make it problematic? People in other games adapt just fine to it, why not us?

Exactly.

Are you claiming Dust maps are small in comparison to other shooters with vehicles? Because that's completely wrong. As for vehicle amount, Halo can have 4 warthogs and 4 ghosts simultaneously in most 16v16 game types and BF3 has a similar amount of roadkill capable vehicles.

How do other games handle friendly road kills? I can't imagine any reputable game would allow people to one hit kill an enemy and just push a friendly off to the side. So many time's I've been in an actual firefight as you would expect from an fps when a LAV peels around the corner knocking their buddies aside and steamrolling everyone else.

Add in the fact that thanks to free LAVs you have a game that is supposed to be centered around investments of isk and SP reduced to a bunch of idiots losing absolutely nothing for spawning and crashing free LAVs over and over and over while the people they one hit kill are actually losing something.

The main problem is that LLAVs are crazy strong in shields and needs several hits from forge guns to actually take one down, not to mention that you are completely vulnerable for the driver to just run you over while you're charging it up in a suit that is already crap at moving anyway.

Then I'm happy with that, I just don't want to see LAVs get utterly destroyed by any changes to the murder taxi situation. There is a lot of spite on these forums and I feel that a lot of people do want to see them made useless.

And why does a dropsuit let me survive a 1000m fall, but can't protect me when a jeep hits me?

Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention.

I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die.

Thoughts on the issue and on my solution?

Because in every other FPS, death has no meaning and you can just respawn. In DUST it cost the player many thousands of monies and game time to earn those monies. Simple.

Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention.

I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die.

Thoughts on the issue and on my solution?

I would like to mount blades and flaylock pistols on my LAV. Anyone knows a good custom shop?

And how easy do jeeps or any vehicle for that matter go down in BF3 ? 1 shoulder fired RPG = dead. 1 javelin = dead, 1 land mine = dead. You might survive a tank shot jist long enough to bail, and you may survive one hit from other AV but even so the vehicle is done for. **** a M203 Would disable the open top Jeeps in one hit!

Spending a whole match attempting to run people down in BF3 will only result in a terrible score, many death and 11 pissed off teammates because you weren't PTFO'ing.

Honestly IMO you're a fool for even comparing the two, Balance is handled entirely different on BF3.

Because in most FPS games you don't have to buy your equipment with ISK... or even worst ; AUR

To be fair, you could blow up a warthog with 1 or 2 plasma grenades iirc.

Also you could disable them with a pistol.

No one asks you to run isk or aur suits . If its brought to the field you risk loosing it. I find ot funny that this community finds different ways of death acceptable I.e. AR killed me its ok , oh a scrambler rifle killed me thats fine too as well as scrambler pistols but if someone gets sniped ran over shot by a tank mass driver then its unacceptible and needs nerfed. F@#k why is it more acceptible to be shot in the back or the face than it is to be run over ???? I guess my point is HTFU and carry av nades.

Are you claiming Dust maps are small in comparison to other shooters with vehicles? Because that's completely wrong. As for vehicle amount, Halo can have 4 warthogs and 4 ghosts simultaneously in most 16v16 game types and BF3 has a similar amount of roadkill capable vehicles.

You are so wrong it's funny. Dust maps are barely medium sized.

See: any rush map on BF3 and any map from any Halo

No one asks you to run isk or aur suits . If its brought to the field you risk loosing it. I find ot funny that this community finds different ways of death acceptable I.e. AR killed me its ok , oh a scrambler rifle killed me thats fine too as well as scrambler pistols but if someone gets sniped ran over shot by a tank mass driver then its unacceptible and needs nerfed. F@#k why is it more acceptible to be shot in the back or the face than it is to be run over ???? I guess my point is HTFU and carry av nades.

You are so wrong it's funny. Dust maps are barely medium sized.

Sidewinder was bigger than most DUST maps. What's your point? Unless you are counting the redlines, that's just stupid.

just remove LAV , problem fixed , then u have a perfect CoD clone

just remove LAV , problem fixed , then u have a perfect CoD clone

FREE LAV kills a 100,000 isk Proto heavy "INSTANTLY" ... and you think people isn't going to be **** off with that ? What ******* planet you guys live on ?

Yet again nobody asked mr 100,000 isk heavy to cross the road before the green man. Any way reall cabbies use llavs or even scout lavs for good cqc ramming (they get to impact speed allot faster.

Yet again nobody asked mr 100,000 isk heavy to cross the road before the green man. Any way reall cabbies use llavs or even scout lavs for good cqc ramming (they get to impact speed allot faster.

One day I hope to play the game your playing, because when I play DUST 514 the maps are average sized for mixed arms games.

Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention.

I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die.

Thoughts on the issue and on my solution?

Also because the physics are better in other games. Just touching a LAV in motion does more damage than getting hit in the face with 4 forge gun shots simultaneously. In other games you can jump on the hood, or roll off to the side for reduced damage. DUST LAVs will destroy the toughest heavy with the lightest touch.

IN battlefield.. jeeps are avaialble at your spawn point, and sometimes scattered around the map one here, one there. when someone takes one.. it doesnt come back until that one gets destroyed.. and then there is a 30-60 second spawn timer before the replacment jeep comes down. Same thing with tanks, only a 60-90second timer.. and attack helicopters, jets, etc. So you cant call them in anywhere, you actually have to travel to the spawn point to collect the vehicle.. that can take alot of time.

IN battlefield.. when you die it costs you nothing but pride (as mentioned before)... the physics are slightly different, and quite frankly people prefer to get kills with good gun game as opposed to driving people over in Jeeps. It happens, but rarely and usually only by those puprosely looking to grief. Heck, more people throw C4 on the front of their jeep and jihadjeep it into a tank for a kill and some good laughs. Jeeps are very easy to kill in BF3 with an RPG or Tank, or mines... unlike the LLAV's in dust which are in some cases harder to take out than a tank.

Thats probably all the explanation you will need to understand why the LAV/Murdertaxi epidemic in dust is rampant.

I love bf can't fly the helicopters though so I stick to jets and I like wake island I hope dust gets as good as bf because then dust will be the best game out there

Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention.

I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die.

Thoughts on the issue and on my solution?

Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention.

I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die.

Thoughts on the issue and on my solution?

Your little minimap does not solve the problem. In BF3, almost any weapon can kill the driver from his jeep. The soldiers are armored like in dust and are easily killed by anything. He's also very exposed. Unlike in LAV's, you'd be lucky to snipe them off their seat. And AV grenades are the only effective "grenade" types to use against them. The standard frag grenade in BF3 can blow up jeeps and at the same time that frag grenade can be used to kill enemies.

Halo soldiers have the ability to throw up a barrier that literally turns them into an indestructible wall. At least in Halo Reach it did.The counter would destroy warthogs gunning for them. None of these things exists in Dust. And if you take the Logo LAV's, a single AV grenade won't take it out. More and more players are using them to spam since there heavily armored.

Agree 100%. I think I got up to 63 service stars in the Attack Helicopters :) Definetely my favorite vehicle, followed by tanks (I shot down a record 16 little birds on Noshair Canals one game) and then Jets.

Really sad I got tired of the game and hooked on dust right as Air Superiority game modes came out... total blast playing 16v16 jets only and no eject option lol.

How do other games handle friendly road kills? I can't imagine any reputable game would allow people to one hit kill an enemy and just push a friendly off to the side. So many time's I've been in an actual firefight as you would expect from an fps when a LAV peels around the corner knocking their buddies aside and steamrolling everyone else.

Add in the fact that thanks to free LAVs you have a game that is supposed to be centered around investments of isk and SP reduced to a bunch of idiots losing absolutely nothing for spawning and crashing free LAVs over and over and over while the people they one hit kill are actually losing something.

i.e Battlefield 3, when you hit someone in Battlefield 3 they are pushed but not insta killed. Anyone who can argue that DUST 514 is more balanced than Battlefield 3? No. Of course not because that's an outright lie. DUST needs to take some tips from well established franchises and utilize them in a less mainstream way to create a well balance and perfected shooter experience without losing its core demographic. The FPS/MMO is a one of a kind experience but it has so many errors right now that the hard addicted players are really wishing they'd never started playing at all.

Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention.

I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die.

Thoughts on the issue and on my solution?

Your little minimap does not solve the problem. In BF3, almost any weapon can kill the driver from his jeep. The soldiers are armored like in dust and are easily killed by anything. He's also very exposed. Unlike in LAV's, you'd be lucky to snipe them off their seat. And AV grenades are the only effective "grenade" types to use against them. The standard frag grenade in BF3 can blow up jeeps and at the same time that frag grenade can be used to kill enemies.

Halo soldiers have the ability to throw up a barrier that literally turns them into an indestructible wall. At least in Halo Reach it did.The counter would destroy warthogs gunning for them. None of these things exists in Dust. And if you take the Logo LAV's, a single AV grenade won't take it out. More and more players are using them to spam since there heavily armored.

in halo they have jetpacks but i've never played battlefield so my knowledge ends there

Why wouldn't the mini map change solve it? Is it that you can't predict when you're about to be run over or that you don't want the possibility of being run over? If you want a counter, grab a swarm launcher or AV grenades. Hard LAV counters exist.

Because in most games they don't give you the ability to have 12 jeeps running round on a map the size of a football stadium.

Dust maps are large by console FPS standards.

In other FPS games the car just dents your pride, in Dust it completely destroys my wallet. And sometimes those cars drive like they had electric engines - I'm shooting people feeling like a badass and a bumble bee just pins me on a rock

Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention.

I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die.

Thoughts on the issue and on my solution?

Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention.

I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die.

Thoughts on the issue and on my solution?

FREE LAV kills a 100,000 isk Proto heavy "INSTANTLY" ... and you think people isn't going to be **** off with that ? What ******* planet you guys live on ?

A few things... Larger scanning radius on Militia LAV's would make sense.
The damage scale would be great but could take a long time to implement.
When Speeders come out switch them to the default vehicle.

it would make no sense to hit you full speed and you to get away or kill me afterwards

it would make no sense to hit you full speed and you to get away or kill me afterwards

They're treated the same way in Battlefield games, except you can also drive straight at a team mate, then bail out and let the vehicle coast into them to kill them.

-In most other games i can kill the driver with 1 clean shot to the head
-In most other games i can kill the vehicle before it reaches me
-In most other games i can kill the owner and then get into the car without it ever slowling down
-In most other games driving over someone is a last resort kind of action
-In most other games i can outmove / Outturn the vehicle on foot
-In most other games the vehicle needs to be doing near full-speed to get a kill
-In most other games if i stub my pinkey toenail to the side of the car, it wont hit me for 10.000 damage
-In most other games the front bumper of the vehicle isnt its main weapon system
-In most other games there are not 6 of them trying to mow you over on a 25 feet piece of land

I can find some more if i put in some more effort then 60 seconds but i guess this will have to do

Talking physics and logic in the sci fi space shooter about immortal clones who jump out of big space ships and land on planets unscathed.

Drawing the line at killer car bumpers though, regardless of game balance.

What this guy said, its a giant mashed potato of issues that come together in one horrible whole. I'll add two more:

-In most other games vehicles show up on radar well before they are anywhere near you
-In most other games high speed, high maneuverability vehicles are easily damaged4 by small arms fire thereby creating equal levels of risk for the driver, rocket launchers are reserved for tanks.

Basically the only people defending the LAVs "as is" are people who lack the ability to compete using shooter skills, but are enjoying having a KRD higher than 0.02

Comparing it to games without vehicles is pointless. Console has nothing to do with it. Do you play a lot of FPS games?

the only people "attacking" LAV's are the greedy ones that care only to shoot and nothing else , go CoD

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-In most other games the vehicle needs to be doing near full-speed to get a kill

ok , then lets remove physics and logics , your bullets wont be able to kill anyone

btw u need to press X when you jump from MCC , if you dont you take damage or die

i dont understand why do you keep continue your charade but feel free to try again

And how easy do jeeps or any vehicle for that matter go down in BF3 ? 1 shoulder fired RPG = dead. 1 javelin = dead, 1 land mine = dead. You might survive a tank shot jist long enough to bail, and you may survive one hit from other AV but even so the vehicle is done for. **** a M203 Would disable the open top Jeeps in one hit!

Spending a whole match attempting to run people down in BF3 will only result in a terrible score, many death and 11 pissed off teammates because you weren't PTFO'ing.

Honestly IMO you're a fool for even comparing the two, Balance is handled entirely different on BF3.

Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention.

I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die.

Thoughts on the issue and on my solution?

Murder Taxi wasn't a huge issue before they buffed the LAV health by 70%. Pre-buff the mechanics were similar to other shooters that it wasn't an issue - 1-2 standard AV nades took out a standard or militia LAV. Higher tier LAV's took more hits or higher tier AV. Now, I can barely scratch a militia LAV with AV nades and that moron driving a FREE LAV just racks up kills like nobodies business.

Solution - remove the health buff from free LAV's, lower it for the other tiers. Limit the number of Free LAV's per team and add collision damage for all (even friendly).

In other FPS games the car just dents your pride, in Dust it completely destroys my wallet. And sometimes those cars drive like they had electric engines - I'm shooting people feeling like a badass and a bumble bee just pins me on a rock

One other thought..

BF3 is mostly a game of skill. Anyone besides a COD fanboy would agree. For the most part all players are on equal footing regarding weapons minus a few small upgrades like scopes, extended mags, etc. Everyone has the same HP, movements speed, etc.

Dust is a game of skill points and ISK. People who are not so good at killing the traditional way will resort to any means necessary to obtain as many SP as they can. Some drive tanks, others logibro, and the really Terribad scum of the earth literally drive around the entire match in a nearly indestructible OHK machine of death.


Now I know we have all run someone over with an LAV from time to time heading to where we need to be. The simple and easiest short term solution would be to eliminate SP earned for running someone over.

Yeah but this is MMO.

Just get rid of free lavs. Then militia lavs become transport options as they are easy to kill so people will use them to get from point a to point b and recall. With the ease to kill, they become much less attractive with an isk penalty for dieing. Leave the other jeeps alone as the sp/isk investment is there. Just put in some sort of mechanism to detect them. Getting run over by a powerful jeep that you can't hear until after death does suck.

Finally, stop offering LAV BPO's in the various Merc Packs. There are better items that players would care more about and it will limit their use as free death machines. Sure there are plenty already out there and now when player trading is introduced they will be a valuable commodity.

And I had no problem with LAVS at all when I could throw an AV nade at the floor then just walk off the other way in a 'cool guys don't look at explosions' sort of way.

wow you must be horrible if you actually think that .




To the op ....Most gamers will get killed by a vehicle in any game and think ....Wow I should maybe get something to defend myself against that "__________"

This crowd Its easier to come on the forums and ask for a nerf .

"ummm Devs WTF !?!?!?! I was playing rock paper scissors and this guy kept beating my scissors ....Can you nerf the rock please it keeps killing me ?"



You can't even compare this game to bf3 .
Dust maps are 95% open with little to no structures .
Dust maps have no foliage and very little hills .

If the most dangerous vehicle in bf3 was a jeep then we could compare but as of now dusts best choice for traversing the map is a lav .

If the gunner was a viable option then people would use the gun .
Your just a target with 0% cover on the gun so why bother , just run em down .

We nee counters, too. In Halo a warthogs greatest enemy is the sticky grenades. We don't even have sticky grenades. I think we need sticky grenades.

Sticky.

Grenades.

I don't understand why you continue to argue the game world as a reality.
It's a video game, you can change the damage amounts of different aspects of it to ensure fun.

The same AR bullet could be programmed to do 1dmg per hit or 100 dmg per hit. Same can be done for the damage of an LAV impact. It's currently at about 10,000 dmg per hit. It could be scaled back to about 1dph or 0dph by the programmers for fun's sake.