DUST Search - Why Is Roadkill Acceptable In Most Games But Game Breaking In Dust?

ER-Bullitt wrote:

IN battlefield.. jeeps are avaialble at your spawn point, and sometimes scattered around the map one here, one there. when someone takes one.. it doesnt come back until that one gets destroyed.. and then there is a 30-60 second spawn timer before the replacment jeep comes down. Same thing with tanks, only a 60-90second timer.. and attack helicopters, jets, etc. So you cant call them in anywhere, you actually have to travel to the spawn point to collect the vehicle.. that can take alot of time.

IN battlefield.. when you die it costs you nothing but pride (as mentioned before)... the physics are slightly different, and quite frankly people prefer to get kills with good gun game as opposed to driving people over in Jeeps. It happens, but rarely and usually only by those puprosely looking to grief. Heck, more people throw C4 on the front of their jeep and jihadjeep it into a tank for a kill and some good laughs. Jeeps are very easy to kill in BF3 with an RPG or Tank, or mines... unlike the LLAV's in dust which are in some cases harder to take out than a tank.

Thats probably all the explanation you will need to understand why the LAV/Murdertaxi epidemic in dust is rampant.

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Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught rise of legion 560	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:23:00 - [31] - Quote To be fair, you could blow up a warthog with 1 or 2 plasma grenades iirc. Also you could disable them with a pistol.
Abby Invo muse.and.fury 10	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:28:00 - [32] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: To be fair, you could blow up a warthog with 1 or 2 plasma grenades iirc. Also you could disable them with a pistol. And I've lost Methanas and Sagas to a single advanced AV grenade.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 417	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:30:00 - [33] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Because in most FPS games you don't have to buy your equipment with ISK... or even worst ; AUR No one asks you to run isk or aur suits . If its brought to the field you risk loosing it. I find ot funny that this community finds different ways of death acceptable I.e. AR killed me its ok , oh a scrambler rifle killed me thats fine too as well as scrambler pistols but if someone gets sniped ran over shot by a tank mass driver then its unacceptible and needs nerfed. F@#k why is it more acceptible to be shot in the back or the face than it is to be run over ???? I guess my point is HTFU and carry av nades. Some of the arguments... LLAV > AV Nades. Proto AV Nade investment > LLAV SP Investment. LLAV survives all forms of AV better than a tank for a fraction of the SP investment. Free LAV spam is a OHKO at the militia level but requires advanced to proto modules / weapons to be OHKO'd themselves. ... it's not that one form of death is better than another, it's that one form feels cheaper and requires less skill. It's just about balance and peoples' perception of said balance .
Mike Poole Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 316	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:31:00 - [34] - Quote In other games are you able to ram vehicles into walls at full speed to squish someone while taking minor damage and moving on to your next target? How about vehicle hit boxes obscuring drivers? Is it actually possible in other games to shoot a driver without having to be at a height advantage to actually hit them over the vehicles oddly shaped hit box?
Noc Tempre Internal Error. League of Infamy 2165	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:32:00 - [35] - Quote Abby Invo wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Because in most games they don't give you the ability to have 12 jeeps running round on a map the size of a football stadium. Are you claiming Dust maps are small in comparison to other shooters with vehicles? Because that's completely wrong. As for vehicle amount, Halo can have 4 warthogs and 4 ghosts simultaneously in most 16v16 game types and BF3 has a similar amount of roadkill capable vehicles. You are so wrong it's funny. Dust maps are barely medium sized.
Abby Invo muse.and.fury 10	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:35:00 - [36] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Abby Invo wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Because in most games they don't give you the ability to have 12 jeeps running round on a map the size of a football stadium. Are you claiming Dust maps are small in comparison to other shooters with vehicles? Because that's completely wrong. As for vehicle amount, Halo can have 4 warthogs and 4 ghosts simultaneously in most 16v16 game types and BF3 has a similar amount of roadkill capable vehicles. You are so wrong it's funny. Dust maps are barely medium sized. See: any rush map on BF3 and any map from any Halo
Ansiiis The Trustworthy WE ARE LEGENDS 123	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:35:00 - [37] - Quote A guy got his LAV stuck on a little hill but it was still moving very slowly, jumped on the hood shot him in the face and just stood there trying to feel badass and... nothing
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 390	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:37:00 - [38] - Quote Vehicle impacts are the only infinite amount of damage in the game. Falling from various heights gives damage scaled to distance. All guns and explosives have max damage even if it maybe tops your EHP. Even orbital strikes, with overwhelming damage, have a max. If anything were to be instant inescapable death, it should be orbitals, but everyone has gone through one where you survive inexplicably by the skin of your teeth. Now maybe LAVs do have max impact damage, but there is no rhyme or reason to it. As far as anyone can tell, getting touched by a forward moving car is instant annihilation for the pedestrian, and no damage to the jeep, regardless of it if was a scout or a sentinel. Damage dealt should be scaled by speed of the vehicle and Armor of the victim.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy WE ARE LEGENDS 123	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:37:00 - [39] - Quote And anyone using the AV card is kind or right and wrong in the same time. You see, it would be better if a proto nade could 1 shot a LAV. And even better if the burning LAV couldn't still kill you.
Noc Tempre Internal Error. League of Infamy 2165	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:38:00 - [40] - Quote Abby Invo wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Abby Invo wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Because in most games they don't give you the ability to have 12 jeeps running round on a map the size of a football stadium. Are you claiming Dust maps are small in comparison to other shooters with vehicles? Because that's completely wrong. As for vehicle amount, Halo can have 4 warthogs and 4 ghosts simultaneously in most 16v16 game types and BF3 has a similar amount of roadkill capable vehicles. You are so wrong it's funny. Dust maps are barely medium sized. See: any rush map on BF3 and any map from any Halo Sidewinder was bigger than most DUST maps. What's your point? Unless you are counting the redlines, that's just stupid.

Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1300	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:39:00 - [41] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Because in most FPS games you don't have to buy your equipment with ISK... or even worst ; AUR No one asks you to run isk or aur suits . If its brought to the field you risk loosing it. I find ot funny that this community finds different ways of death acceptable I.e. AR killed me its ok , oh a scrambler rifle killed me thats fine too as well as scrambler pistols but if someone gets sniped ran over shot by a tank mass driver then its unacceptible and needs nerfed. F@#k why is it more acceptible to be shot in the back or the face than it is to be run over ???? I guess my point is HTFU and carry av nades. FREE LAV kills a 100,000 isk Proto heavy "INSTANTLY" ... and you think people isn't going to be ** off with that ? What ***** planet you guys live on ?
richiesutie 2 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 154	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:42:00 - [42] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Abby Invo wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Because in most games they don't give you the ability to have 12 jeeps running round on a map the size of a football stadium. Are you claiming Dust maps are small in comparison to other shooters with vehicles? Because that's completely wrong. As for vehicle amount, Halo can have 4 warthogs and 4 ghosts simultaneously in most 16v16 game types and BF3 has a similar amount of roadkill capable vehicles. You are so wrong it's funny. Dust maps are barely medium sized. Wait whose wrong?
TEBOW BAGGINS Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 752	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:42:00 - [43] - Quote for 1 our turn speed is not what it is in those games, which makes looking both ways here take like 3-5 seconds battlefield vehicle spawns are limited, we can call a sht ton of vehicles out in dust. it's not getting run over by 1 vehicle that sux, it's getting instantly crushed between 4 the second i decide to leave mine in battlefield every map has buildings you can enter. in dust we have a whopping 1 map that has enterable buildings. i say this all from the driver seat of my LLAV which just hit 3596 shields and -51%.....
Abby Invo muse.and.fury 11	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:44:00 - [44] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Abby Invo wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Abby Invo wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Because in most games they don't give you the ability to have 12 jeeps running round on a map the size of a football stadium. Are you claiming Dust maps are small in comparison to other shooters with vehicles? Because that's completely wrong. As for vehicle amount, Halo can have 4 warthogs and 4 ghosts simultaneously in most 16v16 game types and BF3 has a similar amount of roadkill capable vehicles. You are so wrong it's funny. Dust maps are barely medium sized. See: any rush map on BF3 and any map from any Halo Sidewinder was bigger than most DUST maps. What's your point? Unless you are counting the redlines, that's just stupid. It really isn't.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 14	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:46:00 - [45] - Quote because most dust players come from CoD
TEBOW BAGGINS Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 752	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:51:00 - [46] - Quote i dont want to see lavs nerfed i want to see the maps fixed to restrict their access to every inch of the maps
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 14	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:53:00 - [47] - Quote just remove LAV , problem fixed , then u have a perfect CoD clone
Noc Tempre Internal Error. League of Infamy 2165	Posted - 2013.07.16 22:54:00 - [48] - Quote Abby Invo wrote: One day I hope to play the game your playing, because when I play DUST 514 the maps are average sized for mixed arms games.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1300	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:03:00 - [49] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: just remove LAV , problem fixed , then u have a perfect CoD clone Actually, no, keep the LAV's then we have an imperfect BF3 clone ...or change the LAV's for big robots with legs, then we have the perfect Battlefront clone...or put chickens in the maps, and then we have the perfect Counter Strike clone.. Yeah keep the Road Kills as they are, and we have the perfect Grand Theft Auto clone...BUT we need lap dancers for that. And definitely keep the P2W stuff , so we have the perfect PlanetSide 2 clone ..
TEBOW BAGGINS Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 752	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:04:00 - [50] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: just remove LAV , problem fixed , then u have a perfect CoD clone so we can have actually more than 3000 players on a night? stop being a cloned dustfanboy like i said i have over 4 million sp into vehicles so whatever..

pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 582	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:07:00 - [51] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Because in most FPS games you don't have to buy your equipment with ISK... or even worst ; AUR No one asks you to run isk or aur suits . If its brought to the field you risk loosing it. I find ot funny that this community finds different ways of death acceptable I.e. AR killed me its ok , oh a scrambler rifle killed me thats fine too as well as scrambler pistols but if someone gets sniped ran over shot by a tank mass driver then its unacceptible and needs nerfed. F@#k why is it more acceptible to be shot in the back or the face than it is to be run over ???? I guess my point is HTFU and carry av nades. FREE LAV kills a 100,000 isk Proto heavy "INSTANTLY" ... and you think people isn't going to be ** off with that ? What ***** planet you guys live on ? Yet again nobody asked mr 100,000 isk heavy to cross the road before the green man. Any way reall cabbies use llavs or even scout lavs for good cqc ramming (they get to impact speed allot faster.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 379	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:10:00 - [52] - Quote Implement vehicle hijacking like halo for lav. Problem solved
TEBOW BAGGINS Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 752	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:11:00 - [53] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Because in most FPS games you don't have to buy your equipment with ISK... or even worst ; AUR No one asks you to run isk or aur suits . If its brought to the field you risk loosing it. I find ot funny that this community finds different ways of death acceptable I.e. AR killed me its ok , oh a scrambler rifle killed me thats fine too as well as scrambler pistols but if someone gets sniped ran over shot by a tank mass driver then its unacceptible and needs nerfed. F@#k why is it more acceptible to be shot in the back or the face than it is to be run over ???? I guess my point is HTFU and carry av nades. FREE LAV kills a 100,000 isk Proto heavy "INSTANTLY" ... and you think people isn't going to be ** off with that ? What ***** planet you guys live on ? Yet again nobody asked mr 100,000 isk heavy to cross the road before the green man. Any way reall cabbies use llavs or even scout lavs for good cqc ramming (they get to impact speed allot faster. i have said in the past i will take care of the LAV problem both red and blue, head on collison with a 3500+ shield LLAV make short work of any MLT and STD
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1300	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:12:00 - [54] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Because in most FPS games you don't have to buy your equipment with ISK... or even worst ; AUR No one asks you to run isk or aur suits . If its brought to the field you risk loosing it. I find ot funny that this community finds different ways of death acceptable I.e. AR killed me its ok , oh a scrambler rifle killed me thats fine too as well as scrambler pistols but if someone gets sniped ran over shot by a tank mass driver then its unacceptible and needs nerfed. F@#k why is it more acceptible to be shot in the back or the face than it is to be run over ???? I guess my point is HTFU and carry av nades. FREE LAV kills a 100,000 isk Proto heavy "INSTANTLY" ... and you think people isn't going to be ** off with that ? What ***** planet you guys live on ? Yet again nobody asked mr 100,000 isk heavy to cross the road before the green man. Any way reall cabbies use llavs or even scout lavs for good cqc ramming (they get to impact speed allot faster. Is traffic lights in Dust 514.. ? I don't think i have that expansion pack yet ..
Abby Invo muse.and.fury 11	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:12:00 - [55] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Abby Invo wrote: One day I hope to play the game your playing, because when I play DUST 514 the maps are average sized for mixed arms games. Dust maps are large by console FPS standards.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:14:00 - [56] - Quote Abby Invo wrote: Most games seem to get along just fine with jeeps and warthogs running people over, what is it about Dust's mechanics that make this an unacceptable phenomenon? When you run someone over in Halo or Battlefield the community doesn't cry out in anguish and demand nerfs, they deal with it and pay more attention. I propose a simple solution to all of the complaints, a large increase on the scan profile of ALL LAVs so as to make them always show up on the mini-map. I think that with that much warning, if you cannot get out of the way then you deserve to die. Thoughts on the issue and on my solution? Dropsuits cost isk other games you don't buy your gear there you go..oh and free lav's one hit 300-600k isk suits is kinda sad just saying if everything was free there wouldn't be a problem but then that would ruin the point of this game
JieXi Bao muse.and.fury 6	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:17:00 - [57] - Quote Cygnus Gogela wrote: Also because the physics are better in other games. Just touching a LAV in motion does more damage than getting hit in the face with 4 forge gun shots simultaneously. In other games you can jump on the hood, or roll off to the side for reduced damage. DUST LAVs will destroy the toughest heavy with the lightest touch. It may have been a glitch, but I actually got away from a LAV in a scout suit and only sustained a little bit of shield damage. Wasn't jumping off of a cliff, or taking any other damage, just a glancing blow that managed not to kill me.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 90	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:17:00 - [58] - Quote IN battlefield.. jeeps are avaialble at your spawn point, and sometimes scattered around the map one here, one there. when someone takes one.. it doesnt come back until that one gets destroyed.. and then there is a 30-60 second spawn timer before the replacment jeep comes down. Same thing with tanks, only a 60-90second timer.. and attack helicopters, jets, etc. So you cant call them in anywhere, you actually have to travel to the spawn point to collect the vehicle.. that can take alot of time. IN battlefield.. when you die it costs you nothing but pride (as mentioned before)... the physics are slightly different, and quite frankly people prefer to get kills with good gun game as opposed to driving people over in Jeeps. It happens, but rarely and usually only by those puprosely looking to grief. Heck, more people throw C4 on the front of their jeep and jihadjeep it into a tank for a kill and some good laughs. Jeeps are very easy to kill in BF3 with an RPG or Tank, or mines... unlike the LLAV's in dust which are in some cases harder to take out than a tank. Thats probably all the explanation you will need to understand why the LAV/Murdertaxi epidemic in dust is rampant.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:21:00 - [59] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: IN battlefield.. jeeps are avaialble at your spawn point, and sometimes scattered around the map one here, one there. when someone takes one.. it doesnt come back until that one gets destroyed.. and then there is a 30-60 second spawn timer before the replacment jeep comes down. Same thing with tanks, only a 60-90second timer.. and attack helicopters, jets, etc. So you cant call them in anywhere, you actually have to travel to the spawn point to collect the vehicle.. that can take alot of time. IN battlefield.. when you die it costs you nothing but pride (as mentioned before)... the physics are slightly different, and quite frankly people prefer to get kills with good gun game as opposed to driving people over in Jeeps. It happens, but rarely and usually only by those puprosely looking to grief. Heck, more people throw C4 on the front of their jeep and jihadjeep it into a tank for a kill and some good laughs. Jeeps are very easy to kill in BF3 with an RPG or Tank, or mines... unlike the LLAV's in dust which are in some cases harder to take out than a tank. Thats probably all the explanation you will need to understand why the LAV/Murdertaxi epidemic in dust is rampant. I love bf can't fly the helicopters though so I stick to jets and I like wake island I hope dust gets as good as bf because then dust will be the best game out there
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 90	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:25:00 - [60] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I love bf can't fly the helicopters though so I stick to jets and I like wake island I hope dust gets as good as bf because then dust will be the best game out there Agree 100%. I think I got up to 63 service stars in the Attack Helicopters :) Definetely my favorite vehicle, followed by tanks (I shot down a record 16 little birds on Noshair Canals one game) and then Jets. Really sad I got tired of the game and hooked on dust right as Air Superiority game modes came out... total blast playing 16v16 jets only and no eject option lol.



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