Still waiting to hear an actual defense of why Logistics players should be as good as, just about as good as, or sometimes better at Assault suits than Assault players, with the added bonus of being able to swap to a medic build of the same suit if they want, when Assault players don't have that option.

There "trade off" for logisitics is the lack of a side arm, which in practical terms, is a very subtle one given how many options they comparatively have.

Still waiting to hear an actual defense of why Logistics players should be as good as, just about as good as, or sometimes better at Assault suits than Assault players, with the added bonus of being able to swap to a medic build of the same suit if they want, when Assault players don't have that option.

It was big enough for the amarr logi to lose an equipment slot and 60 HP, seems like CCP values them more than the players do.

And sorry, but you're one asking for changes, you won't get a defense until you actually give reasons for why your changes are necessary, it's your job to prove a point here, not ours

Oh, come on. It's been discussed to death on here, but now I'm just making it up?

Logistics suits can do anything as well, or better than other classes (besides carrying heavy weapons). They can spec to be as fast as scout suits, they can have all the same damage buffs, shield and armor buffs, rechargers as the other classes and more.

How often do you see a logi actually playing their role, healing up teammates, reviving, using scanners, etc.? Never. People are spec'ing into logi so they can be better than assault players at being assault players.

I have played nothing but Logi since started shortly after the open beta. I rep, resupply, and revive all the time. I more often then not have my rep tool out instead of my AR. You assume that 'all' Logis are not doing their jobs, just because you think otherwise.

it negates the benefit of splitting off from basic to assault, instead of basic to logi.

And what benefit is that exactly?
Their ****** bonuses are a waste of SP, all of them.

Giving assaults a damage bonus would solve everything

Edit: Solve everything except the heavies and scouts even shittier bonuses

And what benefit is that exactly?
Their ****** bonuses are a waste of SP, all of them.

Giving assaults a damage bonus would solve everything

Wait did someone actually claim Gallente Logi suits to be OP because of Ferroscale plates, which are inferior to Complex Shield mods, and Basic Armor Plates? Standard Gallente Logi suit is trash, Advanced is barely any better and is inferior to Min and Cal Logis, so proto is the only one worth noting. And it is slower than Assaults and Min Logi, even slower if your using any plate other than Ferroscale Plates, which is inferior to the other available plates and prevents you from using proto EQ, less bulky then Cal with terrible resistances compared to Shield tankers, and cost upward 200,000 ISK per suit.

....the benefit of being able to play multiple roles on the battlefield via different suit loadouts as opposed to only being able to fulfill one because of slot restrictions?
How many times do I have to reiterate that?

An assault damage buff is basically the same idea, just a different approach at it. I'm not opposed to that totally either. I just feel it needs to be hammered in that logis should logi.

Your name's Lebowski, Lebowski. Your wife is Bunny.

I wasnt agreeing with the OP.

I questioned the logic of why Logi needs to have more HP than assault

Also - how is your little quip even describing what I said - hot zone, not secured area; area overrun.

No you sound like you want super logi to save the day - not tactical logi supporting squad.

I'm not "butthurt". (third grade? fourth grade? enjoying your summer break? )

I'm pointing out that the supposed "support role" is loading up on health and damage and acting as a beefed up assault role instead of playing their role on the battlefield as a healer/resupplier.

What's so hard to understand about that argument? This isn't a "OMG NERF DA OP LOGI" thread. This is a "how can we get the medics to act as medics?" thread.

Still waiting to hear an actual defense of why Logistics players should be as good as, just about as good as, or sometimes better at Assault suits than Assault players, with the added bonus of being able to swap to a medic build of the same suit if they want, when Assault players don't have that option.

Your anecdote doesn't erase the very real situation in the game. Just because you do perform the logi role doesn't mean that you have to because of the class you decided to spec into.

I'm not assuming that 'all logis are just glorified assaults!" I'm saying that they can be, and shouldn't be able to because it negates the benefit of splitting off from basic to assault, instead of basic to logi.

I'm still waiting on some stat comparisons on how every logi is better than their assault counterpart.

All logis are innocent until proven logi

As long as nobody invokes "Stand Your Ground."

You were wrong when you claimed that all logis are better assaults when there's only one logi being abused because of its racial bonus, and it sure as hell isn't the Minmatar's racial.

Here you will find video of someone trying to prove your statement wrong.

Here you will find video of someone trying to prove your statement wrong.

His hacking bonus is relevant to his use in flaylocks how exactly?

Not that Flaylocks are as OP as people claim they are

CUT

Here you will find video of someone trying to prove your statement wrong.

Just a passing idea... There's the obvious running issue of Logi players playing as beefed up assault characters. There is little incentive for a Logi to hang back and actually play his role as support because they are simply better at eating bullets and dishing out damage than Assault dropsuits are.

So... why not take away their Light Weapon slot and replace it with a Sidearm one?

Hear me out...
Logi suits as of now can be loaded out to take a ton of damage, and I'm actually ok with that. Generally they're expected to (or at least are supposed to be expected to) be the medic/support role, so it makes sense that they should be able to eat a few extra rounds (see: Logi LAV if it were used as intended).

With just a side arm slot they could definitely get a nice SMG... or Godlock until that's nerfed a bit, get some damage mods and be able to defend themselves if needed. But their weapons wouldn't, and shouldn't, really stand up to assault players who are supposed to be tougher on the battlefield than they are. Logi's should be behind the Assaults and Heavies hitting them with the repair tool, dropping ammo, active scanning ahead, etc.

It's a balance idea, feel free to poke holes in it.

So you dislike the fact that Logis and specialize however they wish?

The 'issue' with Logis is that the game current rewards everyone playing like assaults

I'm still waiting on some stat comparisons on how every logi is better than their assault counterpart.

There really isn't a way to nerf logis without handicapping those of us who actually run a logi suit for the logistic reasons. Yes, I get kills, but I res and and rep and drop links and hives. Not to mention remotes or prox.

As it was pointed out earlier, sometimes a logi needs to finish off the guy who just dropped the teammate who is now in need of res and reps. Should a logi have his hands tied behind his back because its not fair dying to a logi? That turns into the logi dying as well. Sounds like a great idea! (sarcasm)

Easiest solution to Caldari logi = carry flux grenades.

Easiest solution to Caldari logi = carry flux grenades.

I can continue to reiterate it for you, but I feel like you're not bothering to read.