You can all go suck a duck trying to mess with logistics suits!

Stop trying to get logies nerfed because you think assault suits suck, find constructive ideas for assault suits rather than destructive ideas for logistics suits. Its like trying to fix your broken clock by smashing all the ones that work and set them to the same time.

In conclusion, SUCK A DUCK haters!

Amarr Logi / hread.

HTFU
ADAPT OR DIIIIIIIIIIIIIE

The problem is the Caldari logi, its overpowered. With all skills maxed out: A prototype Caldari logi can tank more HP while holding a Duvolle AR than an prototype heavy sentinel with a boundless HMG, AND the Cal logi is still faster than the sentinel when they are both fully tanked like that.
They need to lose a low slot, and gain an equipment slot at prototype level; they have 9 module slot, coupled with the shield extender bonus makes their HP far too much. I would prefer if their bonus was a CPU reduction on shield extender rather than an efficacy boost.

The Gallente and Minmatar ones are perfectly fine. They sacrifice speed, a bit of HP, shield recharge, and a sidearm to gain more equipment slots, and 1 more module slot compared to their assault counterpart; seems fair to me.

The Amarr one is underpowered for 2 reasons. At prototype, it scarifices the gain of a module slot AND the gain of an equipment to gain a sidearm, only one of these gains should have been sacrificed for the sidearm; it is the least tankable, slowest logi.
At advanced it needs to get a sidearm or an extra equipment slot; for some reason despite having the least slots out of all ADV logis and not having a sidearm, it has only 2 equipment slots while ALL other ADV logis have 3.

In depth analysis of all the racial logis compared to each other, and their assault counterparts, and solutions. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93653

So, a few extra nano-hives make them better assaults how exactly? That's not the stupidest thing I've heard all day

And yes, they should have more surviveability than an assault, at least HP wise, or do you think think they're not going to get shot at just because they're "support"?

Extra nanohives that heal + extra health + ability to dish out same amounts of damage? How is that not better exactly?

And generally people shoot back at the people who are shooting at them. And support characters can heal from behind cover.

You have to usually put a weapon away to heal.

He's talking about repper nano-hives, something that's very rare, but apparently that's what makes all logis better...

A sidearm can be used at a primiary BUT much defensive power must be sacrificed to make that visable as a logi,to the point where they have scout health.


Just lower the shield bonus from calilogi from 5% to 2% per lvl,giving a max of 10% bonus shield at max instead of flipping 25%

...having more slots, more CPU and more PG equals more health and more damage.

The intention is for people to use that CPU and PG on equipment to play a support role. Instead its used on shield and armor boosts to become a tank.

Another way is to create a new category of weapons also known as Ultra-Light Rifle (UL for short). Basically the carbine version of an assault rifle. Shorter barrel makes it not as efficient at range and accurate as a regular assault rifle and doesnt hit as hard. Reduced recoil or higher RoF coupled with a bit more kick essentially takes the SMG and converts it into a primary weapon.

It can be a restricted weapon class for scouts and logis while assault/basic medium and heavies can use them as well as the regular light weapons

Basic light: UL
Scout: UL
Basic medium: UL, L
Assault: UL, L
Logistics: UL
Basic heavy: UL, L, H
Sentinel: UL, L, H
Commando: UL, L

Since I mentioned "new" it'll probably take CCP a year to make it happen.

Having enough slots to just barely match an assault suit's base stats =/= more slots

And that's why the conversations about logi in this build have been about how they're barely able to stand up to assault players.

Just a passing idea... There's the obvious running issue of Logi players playing as beefed up assault characters. There is little incentive for a Logi to hang back and actually play his role as support because they are simply better at eating bullets and dishing out damage than Assault dropsuits are.

So... why not take away their Light Weapon slot and replace it with a Sidearm one?

Hear me out...
Logi suits as of now can be loaded out to take a ton of damage, and I'm actually ok with that. Generally they're expected to (or at least are supposed to be expected to) be the medic/support role, so it makes sense that they should be able to eat a few extra rounds (see: Logi LAV if it were used as intended).

With just a side arm slot they could definitely get a nice SMG... or Godlock until that's nerfed a bit, get some damage mods and be able to defend themselves if needed. But their weapons wouldn't, and shouldn't, really stand up to assault players who are supposed to be tougher on the battlefield than they are. Logi's should be behind the Assaults and Heavies hitting them with the repair tool, dropping ammo, active scanning ahead, etc.

It's a balance idea, feel free to poke holes in it.

Having enough slots to just barely match an assault suit's base stats =/= more slots