Is this really another "All logis are the problem herp-derp" topic? Really?

Hope you know this idea has been discussed at least 100 times since Uprising released.

If I knew that, do you think I would've made a thread about it?

I honestly never saw the idea proposed, and my one search yielded people only talked about taking away the one Logi suit's sidearm.

Another way is to create a new category of weapons also known as Ultra-Light Rifle (UL for short). Basically the carbine version of an assault rifle. Shorter barrel makes it not as efficient at range and accurate as a regular assault rifle and doesnt hit as hard. Reduced recoil or higher RoF coupled with a bit more kick essentially takes the SMG and converts it into a primary weapon.

It can be a restricted weapon class for scouts and logis while assault/basic medium and heavies can use them as well as the regular light weapons

Basic light: UL
Scout: UL
Basic medium: UL, L
Assault: UL, L
Logistics: UL
Basic heavy: UL, L, H
Sentinel: UL, L, H
Commando: UL, L

Since I mentioned "new" it'll probably take CCP a year to make it happen.

If I knew that, do you think I would've made a thread about it?

I honestly never saw the idea proposed, and my one search yielded people only talked about taking away the one Logi suit's sidearm.

Once they nerf the Cal Logi and the legitimate good killers (not ones relying on the logi's HP) skill back into caldari assaults people will be calling them OP too. Especially the armor tankers who cry about shields being better than armor instead of calling for adjustment to contact nades, flaylocks, and MD that do like 130% against armor are now even more popular because of the splash damage fix.

well this isn't new at all unfortunately, its been argued several times before, hell, i made a thread that blew up into a "logis are OP thread" and this was eventually brought up as an idea to "fix" them..... its stupid. Taking away the primary does nothing to fix the overall problem that only ONE logi has to begin with. The calogis excessive shield tanking. How does having a proto SMG make me any less effective at tanking 670 damage? It doesn't...... and my combat effectiveness is only restricted at long range now..... but what people don't consider is how the Proto SMG, or even Scrambler pistols are both beastly. The SMG especially is like a mini HMG. So yeah..... the problem isn't with logi suits in general, its with the calogi, and removing the primary weapon does nothing to solve the problem people have with that suit to begin with.

The problem is the Caldari logi, its overpowered. With all skills maxed out: A prototype Caldari logi can tank more HP while holding a Duvolle AR than an prototype heavy sentinel with a boundless HMG, AND the Cal logi is still faster than the sentinel when they are both fully tanked like that.
They need to lose a low slot, and gain an equipment slot at prototype level; they have 9 module slot, coupled with the shield extender bonus makes their HP far too much. I would prefer if their bonus was a CPU reduction on shield extender rather than an efficacy boost.

The Gallente and Minmatar ones are perfectly fine. They sacrifice speed, a bit of HP, shield recharge, and a sidearm to gain more equipment slots, and 1 more module slot compared to their assault counterpart; seems fair to me.

The Amarr one is underpowered for 2 reasons. At prototype, it scarifices the gain of a module slot AND the gain of an equipment to gain a sidearm, only one of these gains should have been sacrificed for the sidearm; it is the least tankable, slowest logi.
At advanced it needs to get a sidearm or an extra equipment slot; for some reason despite having the least slots out of all ADV logis and not having a sidearm, it has only 2 equipment slots while ALL other ADV logis have 3.

In depth analysis of all the racial logis compared to each other, and their assault counterparts, and solutions. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93653

No.
I don't know about Minmatar, but Gallente logi IS better than Gallente assault.
They lose a SMALL bit of HP, but gain a low slot.
One basic plate is already double than what they lose.
Gallente don't need shield recharge.
Sidearm isn't really needed when you have an AR with 60 bullets in a clip and can dish out over 3000 damage per clip.
Speed difference of 0.3 isn't even noticeable, and once you put plates on that differences closes in.

So let me get this straight.
They lose barely nothing, but gain 3 equipment slots?
HOW is that fair in your mind?
They should have even less module slots than assaults, or should have the light weapon taken away.

Say no all you want, but they are SUPPORT, they shouldn't have the same firepower or survivability as an ASSAULT.

You want my light weapon? Everyone has to give up their equipment slot so logis can be your battlefield butler. On top of that, I'm speccing into the flaylock and I better damn sight not see anyone crying to have SMGs nerfed. God forbid people being capable to kill something in a goddamned FPS.

Nope.
You don't need anymore advantages, you already have 3 more equipment than any assault and more slots.

Also, you just admitted you're a logi, which explains your defense towards them.
Everyone and their mother agrees that logi's are the better assaults.

You can all go suck a duck trying to mess with logistics suits!

Stop trying to get logies nerfed because you think assault suits suck, find constructive ideas for assault suits rather than destructive ideas for logistics suits. Its like trying to fix your broken clock by smashing all the ones that work and set them to the same time.

In conclusion, SUCK A DUCK haters!

Except Amarr Logis. I can't believe how most choose to ignore Amarr logis