My only character has 15 million in only dropships, no weapons or suits (beyond enough to wear the merc pack one). Fully into both Caldari and Gallente and both shields and armour. Until CCP get round to working on dropships I'm afraid you will suffer. We are just way too weak to get close to the battle in this build.

I took the maps from the feedback section that have a grid birds eye view of the maps. I went into a few games and used the fixed structures to find the scale. Then I mapped the forge and Swarm ranges onto them. Basically a single swarm or forge gunner can cover the entire zone in which action takes place. Not the whole map, but One guy with a proto weapon can cover any area that you would be in to take part. This really means the whole map.

It's stupidly broken and until time is found to fix it, you will lose ships often no matter what. With the merge of Ambush and OMS there is just nowhere balanced to play a dropship. There are overpowered fixed turrets, swarms and forges hitting you from across the map, swarm players able to hop and skip and never lose their lock, red line rail tanks and even the flaylock pistol knocking you all over the place, with one shot kill shot forge gunners zipping round in indestructable logi lavs and racking up infantry kills easily too with their OP weapon.

I'm sure it will be addressed, but for now its a very tough role to play with AV being so badly implemented.

My only character has 15 million in only dropships, no weapons or suits (beyond enough to wear the merc pack one). Fully into both Caldari and Gallente and both shields and armour. Until CCP get round to working on dropships I'm afraid you will suffer. We are just way too weak to get close to the battle in this build.

I took the maps from the feedback section that have a grid birds eye view of the maps. I went into a few games and used the fixed structures to find the scale. Then I mapped the forge and Swarm ranges onto them. Basically a single swarm or forge gunner can cover the entire zone in which action takes place. Not the whole map, but One guy with a proto weapon can cover any area that you would be in to take part. This really means the whole map.

It's stupidly broken and until time is found to fix it, you will lose ships often no matter what. With the merge of Ambush and OMS there is just nowhere balanced to play a dropship. There are overpowered fixed turrets, swarms and forges hitting you from across the map, swarm players able to hop and skip and never lose their lock, red line rail tanks and even the flaylock pistol knocking you all over the place, with one shot kill shot forge gunners zipping round in indestructable logi lavs and racking up infantry kills easily too with their OP weapon.

I'm sure it will be addressed, but for now its a very tough role to play with AV being so badly implemented.

Ahh ok, with all your sp in dropships, how long do you actually get to spend in them? I would have though it would be pretty hard to be self sufficient

When landing:

1. reverse thrusting direction, so as to reduce forward momentum
2. descend slightly and use the thrusters to slow down decent when it is to fast
3. alternate between thrusters and descending rapidly to slow down. repeat until on ground.

thrusters = L1, descending thrusters = L2

I see you are quite limited by your skill points. I'd :

1) drop that second plate - That speed penalty is going to hurt your low level ship
2) Add an active hardener in place of the plate
3) I Prefer accelerated when being a side gunner. Other missles drift with the ship movement making targeting harder

We can help you more if you tell us what your PG and CPU upgrades are and what the CPU and PG are on your ship with nothing fitted.

Congrats on video 3!

P.S. Didn't know you could raise/lower the nose without being airborne so thanks!

I didn't either. Sadly this doesn't work on militia dropships(at least not the viper).

What kind of fit do you use normally with the python? So far I've switched between 3 extenders, the best kind, or 2 extenders and an active hardner, and neither one seams to give me much survivability. And I dont see where else I can get tank, I think theres an extra 4% passive from the shield skill I can get, and that seams to be it.... I've been thinking about specing into the galente ship, with the higher base health and better active hardners it looks like it could take more of a beating, but the reps look quite bad on paper compaired to the shield reps

Videos are awesome

given i'm one them scrubs that crashed pretty much as soon as i lifted off, they have helped a ton, thanks!

Talk to me about the logistics dropship on board CRU.


Ive been flying the Prometheus for about a week and I have, on numerous occasions, been in an active squad, aloft and flying low over the battlefield, only to have squad mates looking for a spawn point tell me that they don't see my dropship as a selectable spawn location

Who can see the logi dropship as a spawn point? Are there limitations? ( I know a pilot must be in the vehicle but can the who.e team use it?) is there an operational ceiling (altitude) limit?

Great thread. Praying for Gallente flight viability in the future

Caldari all the way. Why? Shields. All current AV is stronger against Armour. Shields resist 20% of a swarm launchers damage. Shields resist 10% of a forge guns damage. In a gallente ship swarms do 20% more damage to that extra tank you talked about with forges doing 10% more.

So to equal a shield ship you need 20% more tank all the time. Even with 2 armour hardeners this is difficult. The only way you beat caldari with gallente is in the "Perfect storm" when you happen to get hit when all your hardeners are running and so is your repper.

On paper this perfect storm IS stronger, but in reality it rarely happens. With its' base level high shields a caldari ship gives you 20% swarm protection ALL the time. No modules needed. In real world battles this works out best.

For an ADS go caldari... now for a Logi with an afterburner.. there is a case for gallente...

I just wanted to thank you Judge. Since this game started I wanted to try being a pilot, but every time I called a ship in, it wouldn't make it to the end of the match.(I couldn't even figure out safely landing) but your vids have really helped, and with that, I'm confident I'll be able to wreck from above in due time. I've already noticed i've gotten better at it since watching your videos and look forward to the next ones.

Question though:
Do you have any plans for covering fitting in the series? or are you going to let others figure what works best for them.

ok this seems to be the best place to ask. I am thinking about spending my next 2million skillpoints. I thought it would be nice to add in a useable dropship to the corp. I am not looking to run it full time just having it when benifical would be nice. Also what would you suggest I put those points into. thank you for your time

2 million SP in this build is not much. Getting an ADS to level 3 costs more than that alone. Let me pop in tomorrow and see what 2 mill will get you. With the state of AV keeping a 2 mill ship alive and useful will be difficult.

Is it really worth it though to put the points into that until you have litterally nothing else to get?

Any word on video.5?