Is it really worth it though to put the points into that until you have litterally nothing else to get? The benefits for most of the vehicle tree look like a joke to me

Congrats on getting the video up!

Thanks Operative 1171 Aajli. If i'm on i'll always be in condor squad or 1st airborne. If you are going to gun make sure to tell your pilot your prefered weapon - blaster, missile or if you have no idea what your are doing; rail.

Also remember that the changes in 1.4 and the vehicle to AV imbalance we have makes gunning hard. Pilots have to move round a lot these days, and with the lack of markers spotting 2 pixel tall black dots is tricky; so you may find that you don't get many kills. Also you have to be on mic to gun and always shoot at the target your pilot asks you to. Always. Pilots know the field and the risks on it and balance that against the module they have running, the damage incoming and what modules are on cooldown and the state of the ships shields and armour.

If you are 1 shot from killing a proto assault caldari and the pilot says "forge gunner front left" you forget the caldari assualt, no matter if he is 1 hp from death. What the pilot says is priority; is priority - immediately, not when you you get done with what you are doing at that moment.

Condor squad is very welcoming of new pilots, but at the same time remember that the best pilots in the game hang their and they expect a level of professionalism (except they let me off 2 nights ago when i was playing after getting home from a funeral and was rather drunk - MCCs it turns out, are not soft.)

I'll happily gun for you in your shiny new ADS.

Thanks Operative 1171 Aajli. If i'm on i'll always be in condor squad or 1st airborne. If you are going to gun make sure to tell your pilot your prefered weapon - blaster, missile or if you have no idea what your are doing; rail.

Also remember that the changes in 1.4 and the vehicle to AV imbalance we have makes gunning hard. Pilots have to move round a lot these days, and with the lack of markers spotting 2 pixel tall black dots is tricky; so you may find that you don't get many kills. Also you have to be on mic to gun and always shoot at the target your pilot asks you to. Always. Pilots know the field and the risks on it and balance that against the module they have running, the damage incoming and what modules are on cooldown and the state of the ships shields and armour.

If you are 1 shot from killing a proto assault caldari and the pilot says "forge gunner front left" you forget the caldari assualt, no matter if he is 1 hp from death. What the pilot says is priority; is priority - immediately, not when you you get done with what you are doing at that moment.

Condor squad is very welcoming of new pilots, but at the same time remember that the best pilots in the game hang their and they expect a level of professionalism (except they let me off 2 nights ago when i was playing after getting home from a funeral and was rather drunk - MCCs it turns out, are not soft.)

I'll happily gun for you in your shiny new ADS.

I'll also have plans that involve showing mistakes and how easy it ti to get killed in certain situations. That is a project that will involve millions of ISK in lost ships.

Camera rolling, and.. action!

(Kaboom!)

CUT, CUT!

No, no, no, you crashed it wrong!! Do it again...

Once 1.5 is out Pvt Numnutz I'll need gunners for my tactics video and pilots for a stunt video to show what real pilots can make a dropship do. I'll also have plans that involve showing mistakes and how easy it ti to get killed in certain situations. That is a project that will involve millions of ISK in lost ships. If you still want to help then I'd be so grateful to have you along.

Judge, I have been considering going into dropships, but would like some advice first. Would you recommend creating a whole new character for it, or would it be better to stick with my main here who has no points in vehicles at all?

Well that's just it this guy isn't an uberchar. He only has 3.6 mill sp and 17mil isk. I was wondering if I should try out dropships on an alt to learn how to fly the and find out which I like more.... Rather than going into several skills that I don't realise are complete crap.

I am going to assume that there will NEVER be a respec so I don't want to make mistakes. So I guess I will make the alt then keep it for further tests later....

Man I hate it when I'm upset I can't decide, but then when I explain the issue the choice is obvious....

I have run both gallente and caldari through a spreadsheet that calculates all the damage variables. Ill try to create some easy to understand graphics for you to show you which is best, as the raw numbers are confusing. It took days to do the math and since i don't want you to just take my word without the data i'll post up the data sheets. Until I can do that though here is the verdict..

Caldari all the way. Why? Shields. All current AV is stronger against Armour. Shields resist 20% of a swarm launchers damage. Shields resist 10% of a forge guns damage. In a gallente ship swarms do 20% more damage to that extra tank you talked about with forges doing 10% more.

So to equal a shield ship you need 20% more tank all the time. Even with 2 armour hardeners this is difficult. The only way you beat caldari with gallente is in the "Perfect storm" when you happen to get hit when all your hardeners are running and so is your repper.

On paper this perfect storm IS stronger, but in reality it rarely happens. With its' base level high shields a caldari ship gives you 20% swarm protection ALL the time. No modules needed. In real world battles this works out best.

For an ADS go caldari... now for a Logi with an afterburner.. there is a case for gallente...

aaaah hell. Wish I saw this two days ago :(