This game is more fun with higher strafe speed.

Now they just need to make jumping while shooting viable.

you should try being a tactical twitch players.

Why would you encourage twitch gaming in a tanky environment like DUST?

All it does is draw out battles and makes the game look like a kids game :/

what kind of serious game do you think this is?

it's a glorified arena shooter, that requires tactics and team play to do well. embrace it for what it is, it's not COD.

only people that can't aim see the faster strafe speed as a bad thing. CCP is finally un-nerfing all the crap they did last fall to cater to noobs and players bad at fps.

#longlivethestrafe

only people that can't aim see the faster strafe speed as a bad thing. CCP is finally un-nerfing all the crap they did last fall to cater to noobs and players bad at fps.

#longlivethestrafe

Only people who need to rely on left and right to look good think increased strafe speed is good.

This game is obnoxious with higher strafe speeds and caters to twitch players as opposed to tactical ones. It doesn't say anything for personal skill, it just says that you predict better than others and can twitch your joystick left and right faster than others. It also buffs KBM / Shield users / and splash damage weapons.

It offers nothing of value to the game, and only serves to boost the ego of the few players who thrive in this type of environment.

We did away with DDR 514 a long time ago for a reason.

you mean movement isn't a valid tactic in a fps game? sometimes I wonder what type of game people think they are playing

you mean movement isn't a valid tactic in a fps game? sometimes I wonder what type of game people think they are playing

This game is obnoxious with higher strafe speeds and caters to twitch players as opposed to tactical ones. It doesn't say anything for personal skill, it just says that you predict better than others and can twitch your joystick left and right faster than others. It also buffs KBM / Shield users / and splash damage weapons.

It offers nothing of value to the game, and only serves to boost the ego of the few players who thrive in this type of environment.

We did away with DDR 514 a long time ago for a reason.

Tactical players..... aka scrubs with no gun game carried by SP.

Yeah...no.

I'm not sure what the aiming problem everyone keeps talking about is, with the lag gone I had the easiest time in the world quick scoping people with my charged rifle yesterday.

I use the DS3 though so maybe it's a kbm thing but most people bitching are talking about the DS3 being the problem.

you know when I started playing their was something called engagement ranges, you don't go near a shotgunner in close range, you don't fight a laser at long range, they would just simply win. are would be decent at all ranges, and sniper was good at extreme ranges.

flaylock is a weapon that is great at close range and is all right at mid range, but if you engaged it at long range it would be ******.

I wonder where that game went =/

you should try being a tactical twitch players.

I have my pie and eat the cake too.

you mean movement isn't a valid tactic in a fps game? sometimes I wonder what type of game people think they are playing

When you start hearing things like "quickscoping" you know the game is on the way down.

SMH - DUST was fun *walks away while Hulk theme plays*

We like skill based games right?

Aka players that don't need to hop back and forth out in the open like idiots to try and prove that they're somehow good.



The ego's of FPS players will literally never cease to amaze

because it is a kids game....this isn't a 1 shot environment, we takes 20-30 bullets, we can jump out of mcc's and walk it off if we don't use our dampeners.

we take 2-3 sniper shots, people solo tanks with pistols.....

what kind of serious game do you think this is?

it's a glorified arena shooter, that requires tactics and team play to do well. embrace it for what it is, it's not COD.

some of the best fights I remember are 1 on 1 duels with other players, in COD one of us would of been dead in the first shot, instead you got a pretty interesting battle of wills, and ducking behind cover to regen shields and armor.

Sorry, but I would rather play the game as a fast and frantic clusterfuck of genetically modified super soldiers than the lame gentlemen's war full of Buzz Killingtons who are pretending they are "uzing tactikz" to try and prove that they're somehow good.

I certainly do, I just was unaware that teleporting was an FPS skill. My bad.

The mark of a skilled player should be how well he assesses his surroundings, sticks to cover, and approaches with the support of his squad, not how well he can do the square dance across the street

Sorry, but I would rather play the game as a fast and frantic clusterfuck of genetically modified super soldiers than the lame gentlemen's war full of Buzz Killingtons who are pretending they are "uzing tactikz" to try and prove that they're somehow good.

The ego's of FPS players will literally never cease fo amaze

Why would you introduce a mechanic that encourages using the already strongest form of tanking, while punishing the weak form of tanking, and rewarding players who use low skill weapons like flaylocks?

If you want high speed high action, then the game has to be balanced around that. We've been balancing around a more gritty, hardcore style of play, and now we suddenly went back to this crap, and the game isn't balanced around it.

I kill noobs either way, with you few top % players still stomping me no matter what I do.

I'm more concerned with the direction we're suddenly going in again. Have you ever just sat and watched two people strafe fight? How can you look at that and think anything other than "lol"?

Teleporting? What game are you playing?

Those are some of the skills needed in a good player, maybe you need some work on the others.

Like aiming and movement.

two people strafing in a gunfight have a buddy flank your opponents back problem solved #tactics

Why would you introduce a mechanic that encourages using the already strongest form of tanking, while punishing the weak form of tanking, and rewarding players who use low skill weapons like flaylocks?

If you want high speed high action, then the game has to be balanced around that. We've been balancing around a more gritty, hardcore style of play, and now we suddenly went back to this crap, and the game isn't balanced around it.

I kill noobs either way, with you few top % players still stomping me no matter what I do.

I'm more concerned with the direction we're suddenly going in again. Have you ever just sat and watched two people strafe fight? How can you look at that and think anything other than "lol"?

Strafe speed should be faster but this is a good start. Game plays much better now, It rewards players that can move there body while keeping crosshairs on target. We just need aiming tuned up and the game might be fun again. BTW FU to the people that want it slowed down again.

I fail to see exactly why this is a problem. They fixed aiming, so you *SHOULD* be able to hit them, if you can't...Well...Get good.

So far, your arguments against strafe speed tend to be things that are the Developers responsibility; like how characters "teleport" while strafing=performance issue; like how high strafe speed makes shields more viable=balancing issue. All of these things can be fixed and tweaked by the developer. (Just please remember that it's CCP, so don't get your hopes up)

Watch someone strafe back and forth quickly.

It makes no sense, physically, and gives off the impression that they're teleporting left and and right. There is no shove off to gain momentum to strafe. You simply instantly accelerate to either side without any need to slow down and push off again. Your aim isn't effected in the least, as it would be by quickly shunting side to side.

It looks obnoxious.

Nevermind how foolish this makes CQC combat again.

Dust514-- a SciFi War Sim.

#getsillystrafingoutofmywarsim

If anything I'd like even more movement like parkour and jumpjets.

Why would you introduce a mechanic that encourages using the already strongest form of tanking, while punishing the weak form of tanking, and rewarding players who use low skill weapons like flaylocks?

If you want high speed high action, then the game has to be balanced around that. We've been balancing around a more gritty, hardcore style of play, and now we suddenly went back to this crap, and the game isn't balanced around it.

I kill noobs either way, with you few top % players still stomping me no matter what I do.

I'm more concerned with the direction we're suddenly going in again. Have you ever just sat and watched two people strafe fight? How can you look at that and think anything other than "lol"?

please tell me where ccp sells this game as a scifi war sim (ccp doesn't even know what dust is). maybe you should be honest in the fact you are just projecting what you want it to be as what it should be.

Hey here's a tactic for you nub. Have your Teammates Teamfire or is this concept lost on you?

ITT: People complaining about strafing secretly want Dust 514 to be turn-based.

I'd also like a definitive link to a CCP employee specifically stating that this is supposed to be a "strafing shooter" (aka DDR da FPS)

#dontaskaquestionyoudontwanttheanswerto

So instead of two idiots dancing back and forth shooting at each other, we can have whole squads doing it?

Seems legit.

"combat in new eden is fast, frantic and brutal" - way of the mercenary trailer

People who enjoy strafing secretly want to use shields and splash weapons

"combat in new eden is fast, frantic and brutal" - way of the mercenary trailer

No im saying get into a squad and use flanking and cross fire. No amount of dancing will save you if you are in the middle of a killbox.

Strafing doesn't mean that tactics all of a sudden mean you throw tactics out the window they only work on those who have crap tactics and think that they somehow are playing tactically.
.

So instead of two idiots dancing back and forth shooting at each other, we can have whole squads doing it?

Seems legit.

So instead of two idiots dancing back and forth shooting at each other, we can have whole squads doing it?

Seems legit.

I don't know, if aesthetics is the only problem you have with it, I think it's fine. Besides it increases scouts very limited survivability in the field

People who enjoy strafing secretly want to use shields and splash weapons

It's very legit actually, it's an fps player preference for higher skill fights.

What's not legit is the many low skill players at this game and their wanting to level everyone to that low skill.

Players like that have done tremendous harm to this game while trying to help themselves.

Without high strafe how does a new to dust but skilled fps player compete with proto gear?

Get good scrubs

#ProtectStrafing

I love how you can now tell the difference between people who play FPS games and those who people who came from Eve and claim to "play FPS games". Tracking shooters are supposed to have faster strafe speeds. CCP actually did a good thing here. People who think this is dumb.....dont play FPS games. This is what an FPS game is. This is not suppoed to be a space war sim and play like arma where you get shot once and your dead.

BTW if you want proof that this is what the game is supposed to be........check out the mechanics of the gameplay. CCP seriously has their head up their butts if they did not intend for this game to be a straffing shooter as all of their mechanics lean towards this aspect of FPS.

LOL at Cosgar I think he hit the nail on the head.......turn based FPS.......Dust could be a first!!

It's not a matter of being good. There was no reason to increase it in the first place.

So you accuse me of saying I only think about 1v1 gunfights, then you give me an example of squad vs 1, while ignoring squad vs squad?

That's what I'm saying. Two squad sized groups of players all just jumping left and right, shooting back and forth at each other, because strafing is how to tank damage instead of properly fitting your suit and being mindful of your cover. Nevermind that you can fit your suit to further enhance this advantage by using shield modules.

You all can argue, CCP just does their own thing anyways. I'll be killing most of you anyways, the rest of you will enjoy hopping back and forth and hitting my fatty. They should give me rollerskates.

It's not a matter of being good. There was no reason to increase it in the first place.

They arent supposed to DUH!!!

These noobs want the SP difference to mean that they can stomp any new player no matter their actual skill difference! Give it up these people are not going to be convinced. They want strafing speed nerfed so that they dont look so pathetic being unable to hit and kill the ppl they are shooting at.

It's directly a matter of being good.

Moving and aiming at moving targets, it's fps basics.

This is actually removing a nerf from October. Many many early beta players hated that nerf.

Correction - Scouts hated that nerf. No reason strafe speeds should be this high considering the amount of HP we have, it just further increases the disparity of Shields/Armor tanking and worse yet makes the roles harder to balance

I'd be more willing to listen to an arguement that strafing should modify bullet physics in nature similiar to movement's affect on grenade throwing, but the whole argument about a new component of the game effecting people's egos is such a BAD, BAD, TERRIBLE, POOR, and FOOLISH argument. If you really want to effect changes, learn how to make a compelling argument, or statement. The other guy's ego has absolutely no effect on physics of the gameplay.

Fast pace games should stick to PC. Seeing how kb/m is supported by CCP, faster movement speed will make this game horrible and only cater to the kb/m. I like to use my controller for console gaming so I can relax.

I just find it funny when talented players feel like they need game mechanics to help them appear even better. Anything to feel superior, I suppose

It's directly a matter of being good.

Moving and aiming at moving targets, it's fps basics.

This is actually removing a nerf from October. Many many early beta players hated that nerf.

lol yea no one should ever use game mechanics. Next time someone asks me to hack a pooitn i'm gonna tell them they a scrub and that I don't need game mechanics to help me play.

I'm also going to stand perfectly still while I aim (scratch that aiming is part of game mechanics and I don't need that cause i'm 1337)

Since this is obviously directed at me.

I was merely pointing out that most players that want this already do great for themselves, and tend to strut around showing off their E-Peen, hence my comment about Ego. If you actually go beyond seeing one comment of mine and assuming all of my comments are the same, then you would see that I actually do attempt to make arguments and statements for my point of view. I just happen to be getting jumped here, and I don't really even care what happens either way because this game is pretty easy for an FPS

I'm just expressing my concerns for the direction of the game since it hasn't been balanced around this style of gameplay over the past year, and suddenly we're back here right as CCP says they want to stop messing around with balance.

. The issue is that strafing is EFFECTIVE.

LOL, Plenty of pace and speed console FPS's and FPSers for that matter. If tracking with the right analog is an issue for you while strafing then thats a issue for you not the game.

So your approach to balancing armor vs shields is to gank the movement speed for EVERYONE. Brilliant. How about we actually balance the modules themselves.

Here a good balancing point. Remove the movement speed from armor but place a -% on base shiled or total shield and vice versa. Hmm maybe that gives the buff of one while at the expense of the other tank. And tanking both ends up having a break even point.

Not the best idea i admit but definitely better than reducing the movement speed of everyone just to balance around the slower movement speeds resultant of armor tanking.

The movement speeds were fine but I dont expect an IMP to listen to reason, let alone anyone that doesnt pad their ego. The issue between shields and armor is in the Dropsuit bonuses. Completely unrelated to this strafe speed BS that has absolutely broken Knives/Shotguns. Theyre useless now because even the hit detection doesntknow where the **** anyone really is and no amount of game development is going to fix hit box lag in an MMOFPS

Fast pace games should stick to PC. Seeing how kb/m is supported by CCP, faster movement speed will make this game horrible and only cater to the kb/m. I like to use my controller for console gaming so I can relax.

So you agree with PDIGGY, CCP nerfed strafing speed because of crap hit detection.


Meh IMPS listen to non-IMPs plenty. We just don't listen to carebear scrubs of which there are many on the fourms.

Still trying to update, on my 4th try now (2 times it just failed, 3rd time I accidentally turned of my PS3). So I haven't had a chance to witness how the strafing affects the game.

Off hand I would say it is a good thing, although it will amplify the KB/M advantages by leaps and bounds. Even in Chromosome the strafe speed made KB/M scout players nearly untouchable, I can't imagine how unbalanced it will be now being faster than that.


Also people may not realize this, but this is in one way a calogi nerf, as we have reduced movement speed and could already get out strafed by an assault. Now that difference will be amplified even more, thus giving the assaults a much bigger advantage over logis running as hybrid assault players.


But I think it's going to be nice now that I can actually use strafe to dodge my opponents, which really couldn't be done very effectively in Uprising 1.1. Mostly it was just a HP sink party, whoever had more HP to endure, won. Now that strafing is useful again, HP will be less important than being able to strafe intelligently. So running lower tier suits may be more viable against proto suits.

Still trying to update, on my 4th try now (2 times it just failed, 3rd time I accidentally turned of my PS3). So I haven't had a chance to witness how the strafing affects the game.

Off hand I would say it is a good thing, although it will amplify the KB/M advantages by leaps and bounds. Even in Chromosome the strafe speed made KB/M scout players nearly untouchable, I can't imagine how unbalanced it will be now being faster than that.


Also people may not realize this, but this is in one way a calogi nerf, as we have reduced movement speed and could already get out strafed by an assault. Now that difference will be amplified even more, thus giving the assaults a much bigger advantage over logis running as hybrid assault players.


But I think it's going to be nice now that I can actually use strafe to dodge my opponents, which really couldn't be done very effectively in Uprising 1.1. Mostly it was just a HP sink party, whoever had more HP to endure, won. Now that strafing is useful again, HP will be less important than being able to strafe intelligently. So running lower tier suits may be more viable against proto suits.

Youre strawmanning the argument, sign of a bad debater.

CCP applied restrictions to strafe speed because people like you complained about not being able to hit scouts, which was their main line of defense and unique totheir role. Its what made the CQC scout viable. It was NOT intended to make players who are already powerful (shield tankers) nigh impossible to hit.

Even then you completely avoided my statement in that hit detection will always rely on latency/ping, so it cant be a legitimate argument infavor of or against strafe speeds. This game wasnt meant for highstrafe speeds, if it were HP values would be low ala Call of Duty. Higher strafe speeds doesnt givenew players anymore of a chance because vets can still hidebehind gear and SP, your main argument, in that shield tanking canbe used to recover from damage quickly while you outmaneuver your opponent - something that can be extremely abused with something like the Caldari Logi with less than 4 second recharge delay.

Also yes, the people bitching about the strafe speed increase are generally low skill players with lots of SP that enjoy stomping new but good fps players with their superior gear.

Why were the strafe speed restrictions removed, exactly..?

Hit the nail on the head. I had to respec into proto just to keep up with people before 1.2 but now I've downgraded to STD/ADV and can compete with protobears.

I've almost always used militia or advanced gear vs proto squads, and I've never had much of an issue. (aside from those obvious matches where it's just a full squad or two of single corp proto's, those tend to be a bit messy)



You still won't see anything less than proto in PC

Only people who need to rely on left and right to look good think increased strafe speed is good. If you're actually good at FPS, you don't need to rely on teleporting left and right to do well. You aren't aiming good, you're predicting good. People with actual FPS skill don't need to rely on strafing to appear better than they are, because they're good to begin with.

Strafe just punishes newer players, players without young people hands, and only serves to inflate the ego's of those who need this style of play to cushion their own shortcomings when it comes to advancing ground tactically and only engaging when you're in a favorable position.

Oh my god, I laughed soooo hard at this. This was a joke right? Please someone tell me this was a joke....

PC is where proto should primarily belong. Wait until people are finished burning through their excess ISK and see how many proto suits you see in pubs.

By strafe I'm specifically talking about the rapid left to right teleport dance that completely defies any sense of physics and highly encourages shield tanking and splash weaponry, as well as borking CQC by turning into a guessing game of whack a mole.

Troll on, oh trolls of New Eden

Com'on people... The real issue isn't the strafe speeds it's the twitchy unnatural movement. I tried shooting an amarr yesterday that was dodging around looking like Barry Sanders 2.0. Lighter suits should be able to strafe at high speeds and change directions more quickly. Heavier suits should be a little slower and change directions more sluggishly. It's simple physics and would make the game feel so much more natural. I'm guessing they could use the movement speed as some sort of tuning for movement "responsiveness". I hope a dev reads this...

I'm curious too. I love how CCP patch notes never actually cover all the things that go into the patch

This is a direct buff to shield tankers and splash weapons like the flaylock.

Youre strawmanning the argument, sign of a bad debater.

CCP applied restrictions to strafe speed because people like you complained about not being able to hit scouts, which was their main line of defense and unique totheir role. Its what made the CQC scout viable. It was NOT intended to make players who are already powerful (shield tankers) nigh impossible to hit.

Even then you completely avoided my statement in that hit detection will always rely on latency/ping, so it cant be a legitimate argument infavor of or against strafe speeds. This game wasnt meant for highstrafe speeds, if it were HP values would be low ala Call of Duty. Higher strafe speeds doesnt givenew players anymore of a chance because vets can still hidebehind gear and SP, your main argument, in that shield tanking canbe used to recover from damage quickly while you outmaneuver your opponent - something that can be extremely abused with something like the Caldari Logi with less than 4 second recharge delay.

that's a bit of a stretch.

Haha, use a scrambler and quit your QQ. There are enough shooters with high health and movement speed. Your inability to function as a slayer is not my problem. Do what i did and play Logi.

Know your role on the battlefield not everyone has what it takes to be a AR Hero

How so?

Shield tankers benefit because of fast shield recharge and tiny recharge delay. Armor tankers would have more of an advantage if their speed weren't reduced, which makes them easier to hit if they try to outstrafe a shield player who is also strafing.

Splash weapons were buffed in the fact that you don't have to put in the extra effort to get a kill, since all you have to do is hit the ground anyways.

As far as I know only the eve lore nerds think the movement penalty on armor is a good thing, I've hated it from the beginning.

Splash weapons can at least be avoided with better strafing and movement, you make no points for or again by bringing it up.

You bring up hot topic forum things to avoid the real issue.

You want a lower skill game.

You fall into the same problem that most people do.

You assume that if someone raises an argument or a point that it is strictly for their benefit. You assume everyone makes suggestions or provides feedback simply for their own benefit.

I have stated time and time again that I feel this just looks foolish, that it doesn't do anything to help out newer players, and I also mention reasons why strafe currently works against what is in game, and instead of addressing those issues you decide to say I'm using them to "avoid the real issue". It's PART of the real issue, my apologies for discussing in General Discussion.

This IS a lower skill game. Strafe won't change that. And, again, I've specifically stated that it's the rapid left right left right teleport shuffle (especially in CQC) that is the main issue.

Gameplay> then you hangups over aesthetics.

Silence scrub the DUST LORDS have spoken

Let's be honest here guys, whether you like high speed strafe or not it's pretty damn irrelevant because the hit detection in this ****** game can't keep up with it either way.

You can thank server side hit detection for that. Until that mechanic is changed, high speed strafe will always be a flawed concept.

Your argument is ridiculous.

You bring in lots of other issues to try to confuse the debate because you are losing it.

New players with FPS skills will be able to win against high SP proto gear players that can't aim and strafe. This is not the case with a slow strafing Dust514.

Vet players with actual FPS skills will still be tough for them of course.

There's nothing confusing about it. Shields are designed to be faster than armor and removing the strafe speed restrictions further enhances that disparity. Its just that simple and somehow you're ignoring it.

High strafe speeds increase the importance of player skill as opposed to player SP.

High strafe speeds means a new player with low level gear can beat a high SP player if the new player has actual ability to aim and strafe at the SAME time, yes you can do both with DS3 just takes practice. It's why so many MAG players were in closed last summer and dominated the EVE players before they got KBM.

Slow strafe speeds means greater importance on SP because player with more HP/ DPS is likely to win. This hurts new player retention when they realize the brutal SP climb they have to make to compete.

With these strafe speeds I can put on militia gear and beat a player of lesser skill in proto gear. People complaining about pubstomping protobears should be happy.

I do agree about splash weapons they reduce the need for skill because you only have to aim near the enemy.

Try a dropsuit with ferroscale plates that have no movement penalty and damage mods and tell me you can't compete against a shield tanker who has to decide between shield extenders or damage mods.

CCP touches strafe speed I quit

You apparently don't know how hard it is to fit Ferroscale and Damage Mods and have ignored all of the complaints about the new plates to begin with. Further more, my dropsuit doesn't give me a bonus to Armor Plate efficiency, unlike your Caldari Logi and ANY assault suit which provide amazing shield bonuses.

Must be nice having 500+ HP and regenerate that fast.

CCP touches strafe speed I will quit

Lets fix aiming first before everyone goes rawr

Dustfiend= Dropship QQ master

Aeon Amadi= Evetard/ Fanboi complaining about dust still trying to sort that one out lol
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Please discard their posts

Have you ever tried the triage nanohives that repair armor at a ridiculous rate or playing with a legit logi that has a repair tool that does 105hp/s hell I have 112 armor but I use compact nanohives that repair armor and resupply and there are higher level versions that last longer. Quit complaining about shields base rep speed when you have access to equipment that repairs way faster but you neglect to use.

Hopefully you'll actually quit this time instead of QQing as always.

And the fact you have no idea who I am amuses me immensely.

Hmmm if you were good I would know you... or funny

Anyways, you seem to know me

I will when there is a high enough HP pool to utilize another player repairing effectively. And ill accept that argument when shields need another player to be effective. Your argument is vastly flawed and everyone that plays Dust knows it.

This game is obnoxious with higher strafe speeds and caters to twitch players as opposed to tactical ones. It doesn't say anything for personal skill, it just says that you predict better than others and can twitch your joystick left and right faster than others. It also buffs KBM / Shield users / and splash damage weapons.

It offers nothing of value to the game, and only serves to boost the ego of the few players who thrive in this type of environment.

We did away with DDR 514 a long time ago for a reason.

I'm curious too. I love how CCP patch notes never actually cover all the things that go into the patch

This is a direct buff to shield tankers and splash weapons like the flaylock.

Have you ever tried the triage nanohives that repair armor at a ridiculous rate or playing with a legit logi that has a repair tool that does 105hp/s, hell I have 112 armor but I use compact nanohives that repair armor and resupply and there are higher level versions that last longer. Quit complaining about shields base rep speed when you have access to equipment that repairs way faster but you neglect to use.

I certainly do, I just was unaware that teleporting was an FPS skill. My bad.

The mark of a skilled player should be how well he assesses his surroundings, sticks to cover, and approaches with the support of his squad, not how well he can do the square dance across the street