So you agree with PDIGGY, CCP nerfed strafing speed because of crap hit detection.


Meh IMPS listen to non-IMPs plenty. We just don't listen to carebear scrubs of which there are many on the fourms.

Still trying to update, on my 4th try now (2 times it just failed, 3rd time I accidentally turned of my PS3). So I haven't had a chance to witness how the strafing affects the game.

Off hand I would say it is a good thing, although it will amplify the KB/M advantages by leaps and bounds. Even in Chromosome the strafe speed made KB/M scout players nearly untouchable, I can't imagine how unbalanced it will be now being faster than that.


Also people may not realize this, but this is in one way a calogi nerf, as we have reduced movement speed and could already get out strafed by an assault. Now that difference will be amplified even more, thus giving the assaults a much bigger advantage over logis running as hybrid assault players.


But I think it's going to be nice now that I can actually use strafe to dodge my opponents, which really couldn't be done very effectively in Uprising 1.1. Mostly it was just a HP sink party, whoever had more HP to endure, won. Now that strafing is useful again, HP will be less important than being able to strafe intelligently. So running lower tier suits may be more viable against proto suits.

Still trying to update, on my 4th try now (2 times it just failed, 3rd time I accidentally turned of my PS3). So I haven't had a chance to witness how the strafing affects the game.

Off hand I would say it is a good thing, although it will amplify the KB/M advantages by leaps and bounds. Even in Chromosome the strafe speed made KB/M scout players nearly untouchable, I can't imagine how unbalanced it will be now being faster than that.


Also people may not realize this, but this is in one way a calogi nerf, as we have reduced movement speed and could already get out strafed by an assault. Now that difference will be amplified even more, thus giving the assaults a much bigger advantage over logis running as hybrid assault players.


But I think it's going to be nice now that I can actually use strafe to dodge my opponents, which really couldn't be done very effectively in Uprising 1.1. Mostly it was just a HP sink party, whoever had more HP to endure, won. Now that strafing is useful again, HP will be less important than being able to strafe intelligently. So running lower tier suits may be more viable against proto suits.

Youre strawmanning the argument, sign of a bad debater.

CCP applied restrictions to strafe speed because people like you complained about not being able to hit scouts, which was their main line of defense and unique totheir role. Its what made the CQC scout viable. It was NOT intended to make players who are already powerful (shield tankers) nigh impossible to hit.

Even then you completely avoided my statement in that hit detection will always rely on latency/ping, so it cant be a legitimate argument infavor of or against strafe speeds. This game wasnt meant for highstrafe speeds, if it were HP values would be low ala Call of Duty. Higher strafe speeds doesnt givenew players anymore of a chance because vets can still hidebehind gear and SP, your main argument, in that shield tanking canbe used to recover from damage quickly while you outmaneuver your opponent - something that can be extremely abused with something like the Caldari Logi with less than 4 second recharge delay.

Also yes, the people bitching about the strafe speed increase are generally low skill players with lots of SP that enjoy stomping new but good fps players with their superior gear.

Why were the strafe speed restrictions removed, exactly..?

Hit the nail on the head. I had to respec into proto just to keep up with people before 1.2 but now I've downgraded to STD/ADV and can compete with protobears.

I've almost always used militia or advanced gear vs proto squads, and I've never had much of an issue. (aside from those obvious matches where it's just a full squad or two of single corp proto's, those tend to be a bit messy)



You still won't see anything less than proto in PC

Only people who need to rely on left and right to look good think increased strafe speed is good. If you're actually good at FPS, you don't need to rely on teleporting left and right to do well. You aren't aiming good, you're predicting good. People with actual FPS skill don't need to rely on strafing to appear better than they are, because they're good to begin with.

Strafe just punishes newer players, players without young people hands, and only serves to inflate the ego's of those who need this style of play to cushion their own shortcomings when it comes to advancing ground tactically and only engaging when you're in a favorable position.

Oh my god, I laughed soooo hard at this. This was a joke right? Please someone tell me this was a joke....

PC is where proto should primarily belong. Wait until people are finished burning through their excess ISK and see how many proto suits you see in pubs.

By strafe I'm specifically talking about the rapid left to right teleport dance that completely defies any sense of physics and highly encourages shield tanking and splash weaponry, as well as borking CQC by turning into a guessing game of whack a mole.

Troll on, oh trolls of New Eden

Com'on people... The real issue isn't the strafe speeds it's the twitchy unnatural movement. I tried shooting an amarr yesterday that was dodging around looking like Barry Sanders 2.0. Lighter suits should be able to strafe at high speeds and change directions more quickly. Heavier suits should be a little slower and change directions more sluggishly. It's simple physics and would make the game feel so much more natural. I'm guessing they could use the movement speed as some sort of tuning for movement "responsiveness". I hope a dev reads this...

I'm curious too. I love how CCP patch notes never actually cover all the things that go into the patch

This is a direct buff to shield tankers and splash weapons like the flaylock.

Youre strawmanning the argument, sign of a bad debater.

CCP applied restrictions to strafe speed because people like you complained about not being able to hit scouts, which was their main line of defense and unique totheir role. Its what made the CQC scout viable. It was NOT intended to make players who are already powerful (shield tankers) nigh impossible to hit.

Even then you completely avoided my statement in that hit detection will always rely on latency/ping, so it cant be a legitimate argument infavor of or against strafe speeds. This game wasnt meant for highstrafe speeds, if it were HP values would be low ala Call of Duty. Higher strafe speeds doesnt givenew players anymore of a chance because vets can still hidebehind gear and SP, your main argument, in that shield tanking canbe used to recover from damage quickly while you outmaneuver your opponent - something that can be extremely abused with something like the Caldari Logi with less than 4 second recharge delay.

that's a bit of a stretch.

Haha, use a scrambler and quit your QQ. There are enough shooters with high health and movement speed. Your inability to function as a slayer is not my problem. Do what i did and play Logi.

Know your role on the battlefield not everyone has what it takes to be a AR Hero

How so?

Shield tankers benefit because of fast shield recharge and tiny recharge delay. Armor tankers would have more of an advantage if their speed weren't reduced, which makes them easier to hit if they try to outstrafe a shield player who is also strafing.

Splash weapons were buffed in the fact that you don't have to put in the extra effort to get a kill, since all you have to do is hit the ground anyways.

As far as I know only the eve lore nerds think the movement penalty on armor is a good thing, I've hated it from the beginning.

Splash weapons can at least be avoided with better strafing and movement, you make no points for or again by bringing it up.

You bring up hot topic forum things to avoid the real issue.

You want a lower skill game.

You fall into the same problem that most people do.

You assume that if someone raises an argument or a point that it is strictly for their benefit. You assume everyone makes suggestions or provides feedback simply for their own benefit.

I have stated time and time again that I feel this just looks foolish, that it doesn't do anything to help out newer players, and I also mention reasons why strafe currently works against what is in game, and instead of addressing those issues you decide to say I'm using them to "avoid the real issue". It's PART of the real issue, my apologies for discussing in General Discussion.

This IS a lower skill game. Strafe won't change that. And, again, I've specifically stated that it's the rapid left right left right teleport shuffle (especially in CQC) that is the main issue.

Gameplay> then you hangups over aesthetics.

Silence scrub the DUST LORDS have spoken

Let's be honest here guys, whether you like high speed strafe or not it's pretty damn irrelevant because the hit detection in this ****** game can't keep up with it either way.

You can thank server side hit detection for that. Until that mechanic is changed, high speed strafe will always be a flawed concept.

Your argument is ridiculous.

You bring in lots of other issues to try to confuse the debate because you are losing it.

New players with FPS skills will be able to win against high SP proto gear players that can't aim and strafe. This is not the case with a slow strafing Dust514.

Vet players with actual FPS skills will still be tough for them of course.