indeed, we really need to have role bonuses on suits, not just skill bonuses

so that we can actually seperate the races more than has an ounce more armor, and the slot layout

and keeping armor on the lows is fine if we see numbers that make the modules work, topped off with some role bonus

i did post earlier regarding possible plate stats (would be after a role bonus if there was one) that would be much better competitively

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av9xiIsYvVjqdDNYbE9obG9SSjdGOTYxVHdXRVlveVE&usp=sharing

would be awesome if IWS added to his sheet too

and as a role bonus -50% PG cost for armor modules, (then 1.5 them)

that works, i was just quickly coming up with some role bonus that made sense as a way that armor plates wouldn't just end up making cal logi even more stupid

oh and the lowering PG statement implied that the numbers posted would be AFTER the role reduction for fitting

amarr really needs like +10% to armor efficacy / lvl though because then with their 3 lows they could

plate
plate
rep

and be the same ehp as

plate
plate
plate
rep

and they would still be the slowest in the game :P

Amarr need a base HP increase since 10% would only equate to around 30-45 HP using 3 complex modules.

With the update, CCP should buff the **** out of armor repairers and make them a highslot.

Reactive plates are basically shield extenders (low HP, self repairing), but with less HP, and movement penalty. Needs to have as much HP as their shield extender counterpart, or else you're just better off using shield extenders.
On the plus side, shields are more costly to fit than the new plates, so even though shields are superior to reactive plates, the plates are easier to fit. I can see how that can be useful.

Ferroscale plates need to have more HP than their shield extender counterparts, they may not have movement penalty (neither do shields), but they still can't repair themselves unlike shields, so they should have more HP to make up for that.

The fitting costs compared to the regular armor plates are terrible for the reactives and ferroscales; they have to sacrifice HP to get what little advantages they possess, increased fitting cost on top of that is unnecessary.

How are CCP so bad at balancing? this is just common sense.

With the update, CCP should buff the **** out of armor repairers and make them a highslot.

I think you're missing one downside of the shieldtanks, 1 flux grenade remove all the shields.. no matter how much shield i have

Any armor modules in high slots is a BAD idea, it would make it even harder to Armor tanks to survive.

How would it be harder to survive if I had an armor mod in every slot?

Cool IWS, you missed that i buffed the armor reps though :P

Fixing now.

Armor tanking suits just need built in passive regen. 2/3/5 at standard, advanced and prototype.

By the way guys this thread is being watched now.

By the way guys this thread is being watched now.

CUT

The only why is to HARD tune the dmg weapon:

Example:


AR 75 % dmg vs armor, keeping the low regen and actual value spd reduct dmg .

MD and EXPLOS 150 % dmg vs ARMOR or you could give Laser an armor pierce ability etc etc
etc etc ( i put just 2 exmp, )
and surprise surprise, with this ALL weapon find their place.

Because now your team need a Explo expert to kill Armor tankers in PC, and this add a WHOLE new world of possibility.
Not only shield logi that run from A-B-C-D but also a Hardcore defense.
This will also make dropship useful, because you can drop your Heavy armored team on a letter guarded by ARdropsuit and kill them all.

The only balance that we must do if we choose this way is to force Heavy drop suit n Heavy weap, or they become un-killable


With this the ROCK-PAPER-SCISSOR WORK

P.S: When I say Armor tank and Shield tank I do not refer to a class who COMPLETELY depends on the tanking style, what I mean is a class who gets the majority of its EHP from said style. No suit should entirely depend on a specific style.

The only why is to HARD tune the dmg weapon:

Example:


AR 75 % dmg vs armor, keeping the low regen and actual value spd reduct dmg .

MD and EXPLOS 150 % dmg vs ARMOR or you could give Laser an armor pierce ability etc etc
etc etc ( i put just 2 exmp, )
and surprise surprise, with this ALL weapon find their place.

Because now your team need a Explo expert to kill Armor tankers in PC, and this add a WHOLE new world of possibility.
Not only shield logi that run from A-B-C-D but also a Hardcore defense.
This will also make dropship useful, because you can drop your Heavy armored team on a letter guarded by ARdropsuit and kill them all.

The only balance that we must do if we choose this way is to force Heavy drop suit n Heavy weap, or they become un-killable


With this the ROCK-PAPER-SCISSOR WORK

*coughAMARR SENTINELcough*

Amarr sentinel is a dual tank, the suit comes with 466 base shields.

+ one high slot and shyte recharge rate. I don't really call that tank. It has about the same base armor. Both are to low for a Sentinel imho, but I digress. 466 shield is nothing for a heavy. We constantly take fire from multiple angles/shooters. That shield is gone in no time. With only 1 high slot you can not beef up shields to ever be able to call it shield tank.

You have just nerfed Shields to death and made armor OP as hell.