Ferroscales are fine in HP, but their CPU/PG should be increased slightly higher than armor repairers. PG of armor repairers should be buffed back to normal, and scale down the penalty of armor plates to be whole numbers because in Dust decimals round up. The HP of normal plates is very good compared to their CPU/PG costs and penalty.

Also when I said that reactives should be the same as shield plates its so that they benefit the medium suits the most, while normal plates and ferroscale would benefit heavy suits the most. Of course each suit can choose out of one another like a reactive stacked heavy or a ferro stacked medium, but the idea is to bring medium armor suits in line with the Minmatar and Caldari, and put heavies as the highest EHP by a lot.

EDIT: New stats are a bit more reasonable.

I don't understand why you would want them to benefit one class over another.

Here is a fitting tool with your revised stats implemented into it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhnLhOBhdjKOdERzT3RQX2NUWVlyTjllNHFOYl9BaUE&usp=sharing

Well I don't use assault, but I doubt I would dual tank with only 72 PG. I would probably shield tank, add a regulator or two and a utility type module. It doesn't seem viable, at least not for a Gallente.

LOL @ me!

I know nothing about Assault Suits I'm a Heavy

EDIT: Which probably explains a lot

I think we can all agree... that any buff to armor plates will affect both shield tankers and armor tanker equally. Any changes to armor past the introduction of these new plates will need to be in the forms of racial bonuses to armor tankers.

Gallente needs a racial bonus to decrease the speed penalty on plates. Somewhere around 10-15% per level.

Amarr should have a passive armor rep bonus instead of armor rep efficacy, and then their base movement speed brought up to the same level as Gallente and Caldari. This gives Amarr the flexibility to be a slower moving, but high EHP tanks. With only three low slots, they are kind of boned choosing between reps and armor plates atm.

Everyone is pushing for shield extenders to increase dropsuit profile, and I can't argue with that. If it increases hitbox though, anything more than 1-2% per extender, than shield tanking becomes pointless. Hitboxes are dramatically different in eve, and that will not translate well to dust.

Finally, we need to normalize the speed penalty on armor plates. Have all standard plates be ~6% and all reactive plates be ~3%. Higher level modules should not have more of a penalty than low level modules. Same goes for shield extenders, have a 5-15% profile increase per shield extender, regardless of level.

Caldari scouts will then need a racial bonus to decrease profile penalty on shield extenders by 10-15% as well.

Logistics should not have base armor reps, its too powerful. Logis have enough low slots in any race to fit a complex armor rep just fine, except for amarr, which will have base armor reps from their racial.

Overall... what im saying here is that the racial bonuses for all suits in this game need to be reevaluated. In a lot of cases, they are just downright bad.

I personally don't have a problem with the new plate stats.

However, since we're getting another lowslot that repairs armor, I think non-militia armor repair units need to be changed to a highslot and repair significantly more hp/s

I second this, militia reppies to high slot is accurate.

What do you mean another low slot? And moving anything armor related to high slots does nothing positive

my numbers keep them competitive
they behave as rep + plate of lower meta

it makes sense

You should try some sort of high-slot armor tanking enhancement.

It doesn't have to be complicated. HighSlot with +10% to armor HP, or 10% armor resists.

The Sentinel should also get more high slots with this addition.

CCP will need to abandon the "one size fits all approach" to dropsuit's CPU/PG output and instead adopt a system similar to how vehicles work, I think. Just not so extreme.

Otherwise the racial bonuses would have to be very good to equalize armor tanking.

This are drastic change...
If we move repp from low to high we need to rework ALL the suit slot.
The first thing is to move the new plate on hight sloth, otherwise the Shield tank gain the major benefit.

I think it's time to make the weap do very different % on damage on shield and armor. With this all weapon become finally viable and armor tank become finally usefull.
Two problem with one solution

One concern I've had with armor taking, one that i have yet to see addressed in this thread, is the effective uptime of each tanking system.

If you take a shield tanked suit, and an armor tanked suit, and apply some fixed amount of damage to them, they are both in a 'vulnerable' state and will seek cover. However, the shield tanked suit will regen far faster, bringing it out of its vulnerable state far quicker than the armor suit.

Because of the 'high buffer, low reps' pattern armor has, it just picks up another penalty of having to spend longer getting back up to full strength, or be forced into combat at less than full strength.

I'm curious to see what people think about this gap (i think it more important than any ehp or repping disparity myself). I don't see the new modules helping in this respect.

I actually don't see the new modules fixing any problems. They are directly competing with the existing modules(why?), and the only benefit i see them having is putting buffer and repair on a single module, so a saving in low slots. This helps those with restricted numbers of low slots... so um, shield tankers?

I honestly feel like we should be working on balancing the modules we have, and only add new modules when we have a clearly defined NEED to fill.

Actually there are easier ways to make it so shield tanks do not gain a huge benefit from the new armor modules. That would be making them with high CPU/PG but giving Amarr and Gallente a reduction in CPU/PG racially. Moving new plates to High slots is actually a penalty not a benefit, a higher dependency on armor means that explosive damage will hurt us even more than it does now. We need shields to have a quick buffer to that damage.

The only weapons that need their % damage changed is explosive weapons.

I don't get CCP on this subject, they say they can't but aside from the suit bonus all races have different bonuses.

One concern I've had with armor taking, one that i have yet to see addressed in this thread, is the effective uptime of each tanking system.

If you take a shield tanked suit, and an armor tanked suit, and apply some fixed amount of damage to them, they are both in a 'vulnerable' state and will seek cover. However, the shield tanked suit will regen far faster, bringing it out of its vulnerable state far quicker than the armor suit.

Because of the 'high buffer, low reps' pattern armor has, it just picks up another penalty of having to spend longer getting back up to full strength, or be forced into combat at less than full strength.

I'm curious to see what people think about this gap (i think it more important than any ehp or repping disparity myself). I don't see the new modules helping in this respect.

I actually don't see the new modules fixing any problems. They are directly competing with the existing modules(why?), and the only benefit i see them having is putting buffer and repair on a single module, so a saving in low slots. This helps those with restricted numbers of low slots... so um, shield tankers?

I honestly feel like we should be working on balancing the modules we have, and only add new modules when we have a clearly defined NEED to fill.