Note CPUGRIDHPHP/sMove
Basic Ferroscale Plate 1222500
Enhanced FP 2374000
Complex FP 34136500%
Basic Reactive Plate 103442-1%
Enhanced RP 248653-2%
Complex RP 3614874-4%
Basic Armor Plate 101650-3%
Enhanced AP 206870-5%
Complex AP 30121250-7%
Basic Shield Extender 1832200
Enhanced SE 3663300
Complex SE 54116600
Basic Armor Repairer 201040
Enhanced AR 355060
Complex AR 4511080


that would probably work out, rather than what the crystal ball stats are but that's just imho

Hmm, maybe there will be skills to affect/enhance the performance of these new plates.

They've talked about giving Gallente (or armor tankers) some bonus to speed penalties on the armor plates before, right? Or was I just imagining it?

I'd assume that would make regular plates more appealing to gallente because they could fit higher hp with no penalty. Maybe Amarr would have some similar but lesser bonus to armor speed penalties? Balancing in context of that might be a little different. I'd want to know if there are other "balance" changes incoming that might impact armor tanking before taking up the sharpie to fix the new modules.

That said, the reactive plates seem really hard to like. I'd think the fitting reqs might be higher (like maybe on the order of standard plate fitting + standard reppers fitting-wise). However, I'd think the penalty on the hp/reps wouldn't be that high. Ferroscale is a bit tougher.

It's difficult to juggle the balance for all this in my head in comparison to shields because suits can fit both modules anyway.

They did, but you know what they said. It isn't currently possible, so pretty much "HEY ARMOR TANKS KEEP GETTING DESTROYED IN BATTLE WHILE WE FIGURE THIS S**T OUT"

They've talked about giving Gallente (or armor tankers) some bonus to speed penalties on the armor plates before, right? Or was I just imagining it?

I'd assume that would make regular plates more appealing to gallente because they could fit higher hp with no penalty. Maybe Amarr would have some similar but lesser bonus to armor speed penalties? Balancing in context of that might be a little different. I'd want to know if there are other "balance" changes incoming that might impact armor tanking before taking up the sharpie to fix the new modules.

That said, the reactive plates seem really hard to like. I'd think the fitting reqs might be higher (like maybe on the order of standard plate fitting + standard reppers fitting-wise). However, I'd think the penalty on the hp/reps wouldn't be that high. Ferroscale is a bit tougher.

It's difficult to juggle the balance for all this in my head in comparison to shields because suits can fit both modules anyway.

Throwing together a Spreadsheet you can view it here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqHgiF-KXQZXdGdrMFA0NW1uOU9ueUQ3YmtLRFVqcHc#gid=0

Reactive plates are basically shield extenders (low HP, self repairing), but with less HP, and movement penalty. Needs to have as much HP as their shield extender counterpart, or else you're just better off using shield extenders.
On the plus side, shields are more costly to fit than the new plates, so even though shields are superior to reactive plates, the plates are easier to fit. I can see how that can be useful.

Ferroscale plates need to have more HP than their shield extender counterparts, they may not have movement penalty (neither do shields), but they still can't repair themselves unlike shields, so they should have more HP to make up for that.

The fitting costs compared to the regular armor plates are terrible for the reactives and ferroscales; they have to sacrifice HP to get what little advantages they possess, increased fitting cost on top of that is unnecessary.

How are CCP so bad at balancing? this is just common sense.

The new plates are meh, and verging on useless. But that has more to do with the inherent issues in shields vs. armor.

The Ferroscale would be nice, but 60 hp at the complex level is bad, should be 80-85. Having lower HP than Shield Extenders while still suffering from 2 of the 3 drawbacks of armor is pretty inexcusable.

As for Complex Reactive Plates, here:

2x Complex Reactive Plates
CPU: 72
PG: 32
HP: 90
Rep: 4hp/s
Movement penalty: 8%

1 Enhanced Armor Plate and 1 Complex Armor Repairer
CPU: 65
PG: 17
HP: 87
Rep: 5hp/s
Movement penalty: 5%

Pretty laughable. Increase them to 60-70 HP, IMO.

Another good point.

Just theoretically fit a Caldari Logi (proto) with 5 Complex Shield Extenders and 4 Complex Ferroscale Plates.

Certain skills at level five allow the following stats:

5HP/s passive armor repair (caldari medium frame skill)
20HP/s passive shield recharge (Dropsuit base)
670 Shields
352 Armor
No movement penalty

Starting to think this game will never be balanced being as the new plates just gave shield tankers more options to put in their utility lows and the armor tankers are just going to be worse in the whole because of MOVEMENT PENALTY - STILL.

This is a real problem, the new plate must be High slot, to prevent Shield tankers from gain the major benefit from the new plate.
And speed reduct. need to be reworked

and if we change what armor do and add drawback to Shield?
Example:

Adding armor a % of damage reduction and giving shield module gaining a (low) % of more damage

PROTO ARMOR PLATE 25% of damage red and 10% speed red

PROTO SHIELD EXT stat's the same but add a 5% of the damage taken.

If armor took away from stamina and shields increased profile, I'd say that's a fair trade.

Thats another good thing, from my point of view Scan profile is not a big cons, couse if you see him first but cant kill him due to his shield this dont solve anything

But here comes the main problem.

Armor need a module for regain what is lost in a gunfight. and thats is the biggest CONS because the rep Module go in the same slot as armor mod.And the Rep rate with TWO PROTO REP is worse than a BASE recharge Dropsuit
And simply add 3/4 shot of AR and gaining weakness that armor has simply is not worth

I think a creative shield extender penalty would be a penalty to not only signature radius but increased delay in shield recharge.

The more extenders you shove on yourself the longer it takes to kick back in from damage.

I think a creative shield extender penalty would be a penalty to not only signature radius but increased delay in shield recharge.

The more extenders you shove on yourself the longer it takes to kick back in from damage.

and because regulators fit on low slots and the complex uses only what 3 grid? especially when you consider the caldari logi gets to what like 4.5 sec delay with one complex regulator? People get carried by that gear all day..