To make it clearer, when are you going to release information on the upcoming patch and if you don't know, then who does ?

It's rather dissappointing that someone comes touting how they want to be more transparent with information while at the same time they show us how they aren't going to be. So how about getting bit honesty in here and telling us, will you give us information on the upcoming changes? When will you give information if you will? That's 2 things that are easy to tell and you have the roadmap ready anywho.

Dude, you know he's just going to say SoonTM.

Hey guys.

Yeah, obviously having this information released in a trailer isn't the best thing in the world. We are working on getting dev blogs out about all the new stuff we'll be releasing in our next patch, which is currently scheduled for early July (we'll have an exact release date ready for you in the near future).

But all numbers are still subject to change and we will of course monitor feedback on these numbers and make tweaks as appropriate.

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Every single thing you just said is invalid.

Can you at least confirm these are not the final stats?

Indeed. Like I said, it's not the best way to disseminate information and I promise you we're trying really really hard to keep things like this from happening and get you information on changes and additions the game out in a timely and appropriate manner (definitely for real this time, honest!)

Ugh, the amount of inordinate bitching in this thread is indescribable. Don't you people use your heads?

- It was a five second glimpse of something that isn't even in the game yet. It could be a placeholder for all you know.
- The armor plates give you less, but they a) don't have a movement speed penalty, b) are cheaper and c) don't require as much PG/CPU.
- As much as you'd like to believe otherwise, you're not a game designer and you aren't able to tell if something is balanced or unbalanced just by looking at stats unless it's absolutely obvious that the weapon will be broken.

Ugh, the amount of inordinate bitching in this thread is indescribable. Don't you people use your heads?

- It was a five second glimpse of something that isn't even in the game yet. It could be a placeholder for all you know.
- The armor plates give you less, but they a) don't have a movement speed penalty, b) are cheaper and c) don't require as much PG/CPU.
- As much as you'd like to believe otherwise, you're not a game designer and you aren't able to tell if something is balanced or unbalanced just by looking at stats unless it's absolutely obvious that the weapon will be broken.

I would be willing to wager that only 10% of the people in thos thread who think armour is balanced, actually use armour.

Hey guys.

Yeah, obviously having this information released in a trailer isn't the best thing in the world. We are working on getting dev blogs out about all the new stuff we'll be releasing in our next patch, which is currently scheduled for early July (we'll have an exact release date ready for you in the near future).

But all numbers are still subject to change and we will of course monitor feedback on these numbers and make tweaks as appropriate.

People must be trolling...

Armor takes up low slots, leaving mids for damage mods.

All armor regen continues during combat, shield requires a few seconds out of combat.

The suits that are made to armor tank have more pg anway, just as shield suits have more cpu.

You can easily hit over 10 armor per second that never stops. Factor in the recharge delay into shield reps and consider the depleted delay while you're at it when weighting it vs shield.

The armor probably wins in many scenarios and the minor speed penalty is probably because damage mods go in the highs. Armor/shield balance is probably the only reason dust suits are the only thing in the eve universe that have dmg mods as high d l ot instead of low.

As I already said, the armor speed penalty sucks, yes, but you can still fit damage mods in your highs while using every low for tank.

Do you want armor to be exactly identical to shield? Auto regen, same fitting reqs, no speed penalty? If you make it exactly the same that tends to make it pointless even having two tanking options.

If shield is that much better then why push so hard for a buff to armor beyond what they are already doing? I tend to think some people here are looking to have a heavy suit with a ridiculous buffer and constant armor regen on top of that.

You need to look at more than just total buffer hp, and rep speed and consider what else goes in those slots. Also suit balance is a different discussion but I did read the gallente suits are supposed to get a speed bonus instead of one of their current racial bonuses so that would even things out further.

Shield tanking yields 0 repping when it actually counts (while being shot).

The recharge delay on assault and logi suits mean that for most engagements the amount of shield repped is almost always going to be less than armor tanks.

The fact is most suits in this game cannot tank for very long unless they are fitting tank in every slot. When you factor in an armor tank doing 19% more damage output, and repping during the fight vs a shield fit's larger buffer, no damage mods and no reps during the fight who comes out ahead?

Shield tanking yields 0 repping when it actually counts (while being shot).

The recharge delay on assault and logi suits mean that for most engagements the amount of shield repped is almost always going to be less than armor tanks.

The fact is most suits in this game cannot tank for very long unless they are fitting tank in every slot. When you factor in an armor tank doing 19% more damage output, and repping during the fight vs a shield fit's larger buffer, no damage mods and no reps during the fight who comes out ahead?

Shield tanking yields 0 repping when it actually counts (while being shot).

The fact is most suits in this game cannot tank for very long unless they are fitting tank in every slot. When you factor in an armor tank doing 19% more damage output, and repping during the fight vs a shield fit's larger buffer, no damage mods and no reps during the fight who comes out ahead?

Shield tanking yields 0 repping when it actually counts (while being shot).

The recharge delay on assault and logi suits mean that for most engagements the amount of shield repped is almost always going to be less than armor tanks.

The fact is most suits in this game cannot tank for very long unless they are fitting tank in every slot. When you factor in an armor tank doing 19% more damage output, and repping during the fight vs a shield fit's larger buffer, no damage mods and no reps during the fight who comes out ahead?

If shield is that much better then why push so hard for a buff to armor beyond what they are already doing? I tend to think some people here are looking to have a heavy suit with a ridiculous buffer and constant armor regen on top of that.

Usinf damagemods as an excuse of armor being balanced is kinda jacked up. Anyone knows that damage mods are insanely resource intensive and are the ONLY option besides shield tank modules.

Its hard enough fitting basic/enhanced armor gear with a prototype weapon on a proto suit without EXTENSIVE skills into cpu/pg management. Tie in damage mods and that gets even worse. The gallente assault is spares this conundrum by having reduced resource need on hybrid weapons, but id imagine Amarr are getting their ass kicked.

The Amarr solve this problem by shield tanking.