Scout should be immune to the penalty - heavies should be immune to the armor penalty, every "role" while being fully customizable SHOULD get a bonus for using gear and mods central to their theoretical role.

Unfortunately that isn't the case so now we have super caldari logi troopers.

I will summarise. You will likely try to argue against this summary with an argument I have already countered in my thread, so it is still good reading material. I doubt you'll bother, though.

- Armour gets less HP than shields overall, unless they stack plates in which case they cannot rep and move at the speed of a heavy.
- Armour gets much much slower regen than shields, the constant regeneration does not compensate for this sufficiently.
- Having a logistics player use an armour rep prevents them from shooting their gun, which is significantly more useful.
- Armour moves slower than shields, making it easier to hit a player using armour
- A logistics repairer repairs at a similar rate to shield regen. Using the prototype focused rep in an example is extremely biased.

There are very few areas where armour beats shield. Can you give me an example of one?


At this point, you realise that your argument is weak/wrong, so you begin to say "who cares anyway?"

Believe it or not, I'd actually quite like to play a balanced game.

lolno.
Armor is worse in every way even to an assault.
Speaking about stuff before you research is bad, mm'kay.
Go to the threadnaught on the original post to get details, otherwise don't say things you don't understand.

I will summarise. You will likely try to argue against this summary with an argument I have already countered in my thread, so it is still good reading material. I doubt you'll bother, though.

- Armour gets less HP than shields overall, unless they stack plates in which case they cannot rep and move at the speed of a heavy.
- Armour gets much much slower regen than shields, the constant regeneration does not compensate for this sufficiently.
- Having a logistics player use an armour rep prevents them from shooting their gun, which is significantly more useful.
- Armour moves slower than shields, making it easier to hit a player using armour
- A logistics repairer repairs at a similar rate to shield regen. Using the prototype focused rep in an example is extremely biased.

There are very few areas where armour beats shield. Can you give me an example of one?


At this point, you realise that your argument is weak/wrong, so you begin to say "who cares anyway?"

Believe it or not, I'd actually quite like to play a balanced game.

I wonder if CCP is not increasing armor EHP because of the remote rep tool and that is why they aren't doing anything.

Cause if you remove the rep tool then it becomes painfully clear how bad armor tanking is.

Oh please. I dont need to read some stupid thread that some wannabe physics major typed up.

Why? Because i actually play the game. My main is Amarrian. So yes i do know what the **** im talking about.

Im not going to waste my going back through the thread to see if you have anymore posts so i know where you are coming from, but its obvious you are a typical QQ'r who says everything is OP/UP when you die instead of just excepting the fact you got killed.

Instead of bringing in more crap, they need to just look back over the racial suit traits.

Any scientist will tell you personal experience is the least credible source.
This post has FACTS, mathematical ones, proving how shield beats armor by a mile.
Go live in ignorance.

Oh and im sure you are the scientist who is going to tell me im wrong. Why dont you pick your tin foil hat up and carry on excepting everything that seems intelligent and true.

Well I asked for a blog about this but the Dev involved said he won't be able to do it until after vacation (Dragon Boat Festival) . As long as the plates are however functional the numbers can be changed later.

I do agree shields needs penalties but right now the sensors are all screwed up.

Honestly Anita,

As a Caldari Logi.. even if they removed the extender bonus it really wouldn't change that much. My shield tank build would still be more effective than armor tanking.

I do agree that the racial bonuses need to be looked at and reworked, but the move speed penalty still continues to make armor tanking inferior.

But the new armor dont have speed penalty and are pretty much equal to shield tanking. A little worse, but also a little less on the requirements and dont compete with damage mods.

Plus, and heres the big kicker, introducing penalty-less armor mods just opens up these mods to players who never would have used them before. Your caldari logi can now tank BOTH armor and shield without worrying about speed.

The debate of armor versus shield tanking seems relatively pointless since most suits can do some of both. The big questions are shield tanking versus damage mods and armor tanking versus speed tanking.

Right now it seems like shield tanking is a bit OP compared to damage mods, but not crazy. But speed tanking is way OP compared to armor tanking. Thats why you dont see armor a lot, it has very little to do with the balance between shield and armor.

I wonder if people realize that the current armor mods right now are better than these new ones lol.

I'd like to challenge someone to find a fit using these new armor mods that will be better than the ones we already have..

I can't come up with one at least...

And you're missing the point.
I'm done arguing, you have nothing to contribute to this thread.

Lol someones giving up easily. You are just mad. Give yourself a few days to un rustle your jimmies.

You think you know how everything should be, but balancing armor and shields is alot harder than what people make it out to be. Maybe if you could think harder about the outcome of some random change to Shield/Armor and how it effects the game itself instead of you personally... you may come up with a conclusion.

Caldari Logi..

But the new armor dont have speed penalty and are pretty much equal to shield tanking. A little worse, but also a little less on the requirements and dont compete with damage mods.

Plus, and heres the big kicker, introducing penalty-less armor mods just opens up these mods to players who never would have used them before. Your caldari logi can now tank BOTH armor and shield without worrying about speed.

The debate of armor versus shield tanking seems relatively pointless since most suits can do some of both. The big questions are shield tanking versus damage mods and armor tanking versus speed tanking.

Right now it seems like shield tanking is a bit OP compared to damage mods, but not crazy. But speed tanking is way OP compared to armor tanking. Thats why you dont see armor a lot, it has very little to do with the balance between shield and armor.

I meant try making an armor tank fit with these new mods.

Has anyone started a "shields are OP" thread yet? I bet it would end up being 20 pages.

Shield extenders need a goddamn penalty to be balanced. Armor is already bad without passive regen. They should increase scan profile or something c'mon.

Lol someones giving up easily. You are just mad. Give yourself a few days to un rustle your jimmies.

You think you know how everything should be, but balancing armor and shields is alot harder than what people make it out to be. Maybe if you could think harder about the outcome of some random change to Shield/Armor and how it effects the game itself instead of you personally... you may come up with a conclusion.