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dday3six
Intrepidus XI Omega Commission
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:04:00 -
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Perhaps Armor isn't meant to be tanked, it's basically the Dust equivalent of red bar health from other games. Or maybe it's not meant to be tanked yet. For all we know Gallente Assualt and Heavy suits might get racial bonues that add to armor module efficiency by say lowering the speed reduction, raising the HP given, or adding a passive damage reduction. At this point we don't have all the suits or even all the weapons. I understand people might want to Armor Tank, and say that now it's not balanced to Shield Tanking, however we don't have all the pieces, so you can't say it's not balanced until we do.
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2-Ton's Escrow Service
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:26:00 -
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As a top tier heavy i can say these plates do nothing useful for me. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
236
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:26:00 -
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dday3six wrote:Perhaps Armor isn't meant to be tanked, it's basically the Dust equivalent of red bar health from other games. Or maybe it's not meant to be tanked yet. For all we know Gallente Assualt and Heavy suits might get racial bonues that add to armor module efficiency by say lowering the speed reduction, raising the HP given, or adding a passive damage reduction. At this point we don't have all the suits or even all the weapons. I understand people might want to Armor Tank, and say that now it's not balanced to Shield Tanking, however we don't have all the pieces, so you can't say it's not balanced until we do.
Are you actually assigning intent to the decisions thy make concerning this game?
Stop doing that, you'll put your eye out. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1531
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:30:00 -
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They could have at least made reactive plates a highslot. |
Betty Boombastic
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:31:00 -
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Having been steamrolled by the best I can vouch that in order to be competitive, you need to use the same Doctrine that every powerhouse is currently using. The DUST 514 tm method.
Drop Uplinks Shield Tank
5 Complex Shield Extenders 1 team of Caldari Logistics ck.0 with Uplinks and Hives 4 Complex Shield Regulators
Troll via mail Make an abusive forum thread
I welcome any improvements to Armor-based gameplay and personally feel something needs to be done about drop uplink spam too - while clever in theory it just isn't enjoyable or realistic having to clear 48 spawn points every few minutes.
Seems a little OP with invisible reds spawning from any given direction as your knee deep in a field of them. |
DJINN Marauder
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
809
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:00:00 -
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Betty Boombastic wrote:Having been steamrolled by the best I can vouch that in order to be competitive, you need to use the same Doctrine that every powerhouse is currently using. The DUST 514 tm method.
Drop Uplinks Shield Tank
5 Complex Shield Extenders 1 team of Caldari Logistics ck.0 with Uplinks and Hives 4 Complex Shield Regulators
Troll via mail Make an abusive forum thread
I welcome any improvements to Armor-based gameplay and personally feel something needs to be done about drop uplink spam too - while clever in theory it just isn't enjoyable or realistic having to clear 48 spawn points every few minutes.
Seems a little OP with invisible reds spawning from any given direction as your knee deep in a field of them. Uplinks are fine :(
I will admit though... Lol when we play you can't even see the objective cuz so many uplinks |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
11
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:22:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:Yes because you have the OPTION of going big on armor and getting a speed penalty, or you forsake that speed penalty and get about the same health. You have the option of getting regen with your armor as well, taking two slots instead of 1.
Shield regen is delayed, armor is instant. Shield regen doesnt have repair tools to help it, Armor does.
Honestly, you guys have no idea what you are talking about if you think these look UP. They seem absolutely amazing and open up a world of possibilities for my builds I never had before because I didnt want to sacrifice speed. Keep in mind they are also LOW slots, not high. What modules are competiting for your low slots? Shield extenders have to compete with damage mods.
Come on, use your heads here. If you could stack armor mods with no penalty over shield you would because then you could fit damage mods too. Armor regen is different, and perhaps a bit worse, but it does have some advantages over shield regen.
Any more loud, wrong opinions you guys want to yell at me?
Never. EVER. Post again when it comes to balancing. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83983There, now I don't need to write a threadnaught myself. Sure, we can have damage mods, and you can have speed mods. Also, that delay means nothing. So I get a head start of a few cycles aaaaaand... in one cycle the shield user blew me away.
Man this guy is really butthurt about this whole thing. Armor is great paired with a logi. Shield is faster and more prone for a solo-type gameplay. Different tanking accommodates to different play styles. Not every build is meant to wreak havoc like some juggernaut on the battlefield. Ive been utterly destroyed by heavies running with a logi multiple times. I've read through your "threadnaught" that you keep boasting about. The only thing armor needs is a reduced movement speed penalty. |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
113
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:32:00 -
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Cosgar wrote: The AR is anything but balanced when more than 90% of the playerbase is using an AR compared to the 80% in Chrome and everything else is a novelty by comparison.
That doesn't mean the gun isn't balanced it just means the Assault Rifle is the infantryman's weapon of choice... what a shocker. You obviously aren't playing the game if you think it's 90% anyways so what would you know? |
Omen Astrul
Red Star. EoN.
21
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:49:00 -
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People should just calm down tbh. These stats don't give the full picture. To fix armor CCP are gonna have to give better bonuses to the dropsuits anywaysGÇöotherwise armor buffs will help caldari logis just as well as gallante. |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI Omega Commission
1
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:00:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:dday3six wrote:Perhaps Armor isn't meant to be tanked, it's basically the Dust equivalent of red bar health from other games. Or maybe it's not meant to be tanked yet. For all we know Gallente Assualt and Heavy suits might get racial bonues that add to armor module efficiency by say lowering the speed reduction, raising the HP given, or adding a passive damage reduction. At this point we don't have all the suits or even all the weapons. I understand people might want to Armor Tank, and say that now it's not balanced to Shield Tanking, however we don't have all the pieces, so you can't say it's not balanced until we do.
Are you actually assigning intent to the decisions thy make concerning this game? Stop doing that, you'll put your eye out.
So because you don't agree with the decisions made concerning this game, there is no intent behind them? Right... |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1936
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:12:00 -
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Hey guys.
Yeah, obviously having this information released in a trailer isn't the best thing in the world. We are working on getting dev blogs out about all the new stuff we'll be releasing in our next patch, which is currently scheduled for early July (we'll have an exact release date ready for you in the near future).
But all numbers are still subject to change and we will of course monitor feedback on these numbers and make tweaks as appropriate. |
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
567
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:14:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Hey guys.
Yeah, obviously having this information released in a trailer isn't the best thing in the world. We are working on getting dev blogs out about all the new stuff we'll be releasing in our next patch, which is currently scheduled for early July (we'll have an exact release date ready for you in the near future).
But all numbers are still subject to change and we will of course monitor feedback on these numbers and make tweaks as appropriate.
tweaks for the win |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1384
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:16:00 -
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A little late to the party, but this is the kind of transparency we needed before. Instead people have to dissect trailers and go into WMG mode. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1936
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:21:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:A little late to the party, but this is the kind of transparency we needed before. Instead people have to dissect trailers and go into WMG mode.
Indeed. Like I said, it's not the best way to disseminate information and I promise you we're trying really really hard to keep things like this from happening and get you information on changes and additions the game out in a timely and appropriate manner (definitely for real this time, honest!) |
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1384
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:32:00 -
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@CCP Eterne
Look around the forums, all the topics. A lot of us have been here since day one, we went through all the wipes all the OP weapons, all the bugs, glitches, nerfs and we're still here. You'vs locked or deleted your fair share of rants and kitten posts but did you know that the ones who took the time to make them probably care more about this game than someone who sits back and hopes for the best? We all just need something to look forward to, to have faith in when it comes to the future of this game. Not hearing anything is leads to rants raves and people having to draw their own conclusions.
I've played EVE for 8 years on, and off. I know you guys have this great vision that you like to keep under wraps. But a for a lot of people here, this is probably the first time they've heard of your company and you have to show them that you mean business just like you did back in 03' with EVE. You can keep the majority of your master plan secret, but just give us something to know you that everything is going to be okay. |
Amorale Lyadstafer
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:45:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Cosgar wrote:A little late to the party, but this is the kind of transparency we needed before. Instead people have to dissect trailers and go into WMG mode. Indeed. Like I said, it's not the best way to disseminate information and I promise you we're trying really really hard to keep things like this from happening and get you information on changes and additions the game out in a timely and appropriate manner (definitely for real this time, honest!) CCP, you look like a cheating wife, who after being caught again promises that it's the last time. Your information transparency is same as North Korea's. We have laterally no info and at the moment it looks like even you are runing from this sinking ship. |
DildoMcnutz
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:48:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I think I'll be sticking with my dual basic plates and complex reppers...
agreed
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meri jin
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
43
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:52:00 -
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Amorale Lyadstafer wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:Cosgar wrote:A little late to the party, but this is the kind of transparency we needed before. Instead people have to dissect trailers and go into WMG mode. Indeed. Like I said, it's not the best way to disseminate information and I promise you we're trying really really hard to keep things like this from happening and get you information on changes and additions the game out in a timely and appropriate manner (definitely for real this time, honest!) CCP, you look like a cheating wife, who after being caught again promises that it's the last time. Your information transparency is same as North Korea's. We have laterally no info and at the moment it looks like even you are runing from this sinking ship.
More like a cheating GF, not even trying to be sorry. That is what we get, we the one who are playing and trying to improve this game. Brilliant! |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:54:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Cosgar wrote:A little late to the party, but this is the kind of transparency we needed before. Instead people have to dissect trailers and go into WMG mode. Indeed. Like I said, it's not the best way to disseminate information and I promise you we're trying really really hard to keep things like this from happening and get you information on changes and additions the game out in a timely and appropriate manner (definitely for real this time, honest!) Can you at least confirm these are not the final stats? |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
197
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:04:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Hey guys.
Yeah, obviously having this information released in a trailer isn't the best thing in the world. We are working on getting dev blogs out about all the new stuff we'll be releasing in our next patch, which is currently scheduled for early July (we'll have an exact release date ready for you in the near future).
But all numbers are still subject to change and we will of course monitor feedback on these numbers and make tweaks as appropriate.
No this is a good thing, because we can actually tell you whats wrong with it instead of it being released and being a shoot storm and not getting fixed for 3 months. You guys need to release numbers like this, and information like this before you release the actual patch. |
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Roldrage
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:20:00 -
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An interesting idea I read elsewhere is to have armour mitigate headshot damage to an extent. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
576
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:41:00 -
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There's a simple and beautiful answer here - armor resistance amplifiers.
Make the ability to modify resistance to damage types the advantage that armor has over sheilds. Make it a lowslot module so it competes with plates for slots. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
197
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:44:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:There's a simple and beautiful answer here - armor resistance amplifiers.
Make the ability to modify resistance to damage types the advantage that armor has over sheilds. Make it a lowslot module so it competes with plates for slots.
It should be a high slot... |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1489
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:44:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:We are working on getting dev blogs out about all the new stuff we'll be releasing in our next patch
Where have we heard this be- OH YEAH! Always!
Btw, were still waiting on that Dropsuit dev blog from April.
You're like a bad date, every time we show up to the restaurant and order the surf and turf and you just never show up.
Seriously, just -stop-. Stop telling us there's going to be dev blogs (for real this time, again) when we all know they're not coming out. You've done cried wolf so many times even the wolves are pissed |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
480
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:49:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:There's a simple and beautiful answer here - armor resistance amplifiers.
Make the ability to modify resistance to damage types the advantage that armor has over sheilds. Make it a lowslot module so it competes with plates for slots. There are so little slots, unless each resistance amplifier gives 50% it won't do much |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
659
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:51:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:We are working on getting dev blogs out about all the new stuff we'll be releasing in our next patch Where have we heard this be- OH YEAH! Always! Btw, were still waiting on that Dropsuit dev blog from April. You're like a bad date, every time we show up to the restaurant and order the surf and turf and you just never show up. Seriously, just -stop-. Stop telling us there's going to be dev blogs (for real this time, again) when we all know they're not coming out. You've done cried wolf so many times even the wolves are pissed
Didn't they release a dev diary about dropsuits? That spoke about the new frame categories? |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1392
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:52:00 -
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@CCP Eterne:
Everyone here voicing there discontent are proving my point. You guys have 10 years under your belt in the PC market, but console gamers are seeing what you have to offer for the first time. |
Midas Fool
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:37:00 -
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These forums are starting to look more and more like the Eve forums. Sort of brings a tear to my eye.
And we wonder why CCP "doesn't communicate". |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
197
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:37:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:@CCP Eterne:
Everyone here voicing there discontent are proving my point. You guys have 10 years under your belt in the PC market, but console gamers are seeing what you have to offer for the first time.
CCP your way to quiet when it comes to letting us know things, we understand that you guys are really trying to end the silence; but those numbers being leaked that's the kind of stuff we expect to see in your posts when you communicate with us. "We plan X for the future, and this is what X will look like with Y stats and Z features" etc, most of us had some really high expectations of patch 1.2 instead of meeting them or going over them what we saw undervalued our concerns and really made us who are really striving for a balance between armor and shields feel dumb for even trying. |
Ryuichi Kakihara
Rautaleijona
2
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:43:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Cosgar wrote:A little late to the party, but this is the kind of transparency we needed before. Instead people have to dissect trailers and go into WMG mode. Indeed. Like I said, it's not the best way to disseminate information and I promise you we're trying really really hard to keep things like this from happening and get you information on changes and additions the game out in a timely and appropriate manner (definitely for real this time, honest!)
To make it clearer, when are you going to release information on the upcoming patch and if you don't know, then who does ?
It's rather dissappointing that someone comes touting how they want to be more transparent with information while at the same time they show us how they aren't going to be. So how about getting bit honesty in here and telling us, will you give us information on the upcoming changes? When will you give information if you will? That's 2 things that are easy to tell and you have the roadmap ready anywho.
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