Shield extenders need a goddamn penalty to be balanced. Armor is already bad without passive regen. They should increase scan profile or something c'mon.

A slight regen penalty per extender. It would make people want to fit the regen mods more.

As for racial bonuses, I think Amarr Should get Bonuses to hit points received from armor modules. Mabey shield modules too, i dont know if that would make it unfair tho.

The Gallente should get pg/cpu reduction to armor mods, or a speed penalty reduction for armor mods.

The caldari should get a reduction to pg/cpu usage of shield modules, or shield regeneration penalty reduction for shield modules(if this feture is added.)

The minmatar should get bonuses to efficiency of shield regeneration and armor regeneration modules.

We can make these the skill bonuses for the basic suit, That way people will want to get prototype in them aswell.

I like the new mods, everything seems balanced.

People forget the "Armor tanker" gets to have 250+ shields as a buffer, or more with a extender..

People forget its low skill investment to Armor tank,

People forget armor tankers can have much higher DPS

People forget Armor is less cpu/pg to fit

people forget how effective flux vs shields is.

/end people forget rant

I like the new mods, everything seems balanced.

People forget the "Armor tanker" gets to have 250+ shields as a buffer, or more with a extender..

People forget its low skill investment to Armor tank,

People forget armor tankers can have much higher DPS

People forget Armor is less cpu/pg to fit

people forget how effective flux vs shields is.

/end people forget rant

"People forget its low skill investment to Armor tank", are multipliers different or something?

People forget armor tankers can have much higher DPS
and
People forget the "Armor tanker" gets to have 250+ shields as a buffer, or more with a extender..
cancel eachother out

shields kinda need 2 skils @ lvl5 to be usefull, armor kinda only needs 1 skill @ 5

so a new player can reach 5-6 ehp much sooner with armor.

I like the new mods, everything seems balanced.

People forget the "Armor tanker" gets to have 250+ shields as a buffer, or more with a extender..

People forget its low skill investment to Armor tank,

People forget armor tankers can have much higher DPS

People forget Armor is less cpu/pg to fit

people forget how effective flux vs shields is.

/end people forget rant

shields kinda need 2 skils @ lvl5 to be usefull, armor kinda only needs 1 skill @ 5

so a new player can reach 5-6 ehp much sooner with armor.

People forget that the "Shield tanker" gets to have an armour buffer once their main form of tank is down. So both have buffers.

Armour tanking requires on less skill I believe so you have a point there.

To have a higher DPS would require fitting Damage mods which are quite fitting intensive and therefore may need PG/CPU enhancers which go in lowslots lowering tanking abilities.

Agreed it is but we also have speed penalties shields dont, the speed penaltyless plates however cost more PG/CPU and have lower health then shield extenders.

People forget how effective locus grenades are against armour. Shield tanker gets hit by flux and their shields are gone but they have a chance to run away to regenerate. Armour tanker gets hit by locus grenade and they dont get their chance as they are usually now scattered about the battlefield in tiny pieces.

the complex ferroscale plates need to be around 80 hp at the same pg and cpu cost of the regular plates and the reactive should be bumped up to 70hp 3hps and 6% movment penalty with a bit of a higher pg and cpu cost I think that would balance things a bit better

skills will probably do that.

guess i do this one to, put you guys to bed.

Armor is not a buffer, it dont recharge on its own, and shields are first thing to go down when poking ur head out..

locus kils everyone, low range, and takes more skill/isk, any noob can fit the fux for 18000 sp an 600isk

10 seconds is a long time to wait, Armor is ALWAYS repping with a shield buffer recharging in 10 seconds.

Adding dps wil not hurt your armor tank fitting, Shields dont get a choice..

Im sorry but what is this second shield skill your talking about? Not many people use shield rechargers or regulators,

Shields need upgrade 5 , extender 5 to reach competitive ehp.

Armour needs upgrade 5 , plates 1 to have competitive ehp

After the fight is over shields do recharge faster, but balanced to me is all about the trade in a dog fight or duel.

Apples and Oranges.

Armor gets damage mods, shields get to be fast.

Also where's the grenade that does 1200 damage to armor? The more people whine about how armor sucks and shields are better, the more shield tanked fools I get to kill after throwing a flux grenade.

Armor does need a buff though, but it could probably be sonera just by tweaking a few numbers here and there.

But using damage mods comes at a great sacrifice to a armor suit, you might think that because we rely on armor we have the "option" to use damage mods but we don't we need shields to protect us from getting one shotted by explosive weapons, specially with more and more people using the flaylock pistol.

A assault ck.0 with all complex shields and 2 basic plates vs a GEK-38 with 3 complex damage modifiers dies in 16.38 seconds if all shots land 100%, a assault gk.0 with 4 complex armor extenders vs a GEK-38 with no damage modifiers time to die is 22.38 seconds. But here is the problem, this only works if all shots land and the suit that has a higher chance to hit is the assault ck.0, while the assault gk.0 has a higher chance to get hit and a lower chance to hit, thus the time to kill comes out to be the same or lower unless both are standing still shooting at each other.