all passive SP would fix this grinding problem instantly

also if your suit is THAT expensive, and you lose money on average using it, consider making the suit cheaper? the weapon and dropsuit are by far the most expensive parts of a fit. consider dropping down to an ADV weapon instead of proto?

The one thing I got from those who want Payouts increased for using Proto was that "I'm using Proto to pub stomp new players, so I need to get paid more so I can scare more New Clientele away"
Here's my Pay scale for Gear tiers,

Militia- New Player Usage, Slightly more Wimpy Standard gear
Standard- Use for when Insta-Battling, Really Unimportant PC/FW/ Contract
Advanced- Use for FW/Contracts, Standard Level of importance PC
Prototype- Use for Only Key PC battles

As many People have said, Proto is NOT for Instant Battle. It is for battles you cant afford to lose.

Adjusting Payout for Vehicale Usage could be done, as their Standard un-fitted loadouts cost more then a Fully fitted Proto Dropsuit

Jesus Christ, nobody wants more for using proto. We want more for performance over time in battle.

...So that you can use proto in instant battles.

You still haven't explained why a player fresh out of the academy wouldn't just delete the game when they can only earn a couple hundred WP at best while getting stomped over and over again. Your proposal would literally break the game mechanic that makes DUST 514 fun, interesting, and different from every other game out there (except for EVE).

Go do some PC, and if your corp doesn't have the numbers, then recruit some more people. The system is balanced right now, if anything Proto is too CHEAP.

i think proto is exactly where it should be in cost/power. because you CAN reach it, but to always use will kill your wallet, no ifs, ands, or buts. honestly i would NEVER risk one of my proto suits in a pub match, because it would make me a bigger target than a Madrugar in the middle of a compound. i HUNT proto users in pubs, with my adv gear, because i want them to learn not to waste so much isk to try and pubstomp.

besides, if they made those Public fights so damned profitable, then there would be no useful FW in the future, and nobody would give a rat's ass about PC

Im confused with all the 14-2, 38-1, 50-4, KDR's being thrown around here. is this a KDR game or a "team" game in which your 14-2 self really means squat if your corp, clan, pals loose the match anyway.

To often I see this in all game modes. There is always that one guy at the top of the loosing teams board who is sitting pretty with his KDR but his squads W/L ratio is crap bwahaha.

I agree though that for how much things cost payout is crap. Im a logi so I die way more than I kill. Hmm.

If I am providing assistance to my squad and get 1500 WP I should be paid more than the 14-2 guy who just played for kills and did nothing but. Just saying. Roles should also effect your payout. ( thanks to the qqers now I get nothing for repairing vehicles, installations, etc, only soldiers, putting me further in the line of fire defenseless).

Big payout:
Anti armor guys! Try it, build a cheapo anti armor suit.

Go to pub match:
Blow up anything that moves, turrets, supply depots, etc. Sure your KDR will suffer if your no good with the sidearm your choose but your will see massive ISK payouts!

( Maybe I shouldn't have shared that, I can feel the nerf hammer)

You couldn't be more wrong. PC is the only thing worthwhile to play in the game, but it's not attainable for most of the player base.

FW is actually where I'd like to see the team deploy with your corp signing up to fight for a side and reaping the benefits of LP and bigger payouts.

You lost me when you started comparing this game to Eve. While the games are tied together there is nothing really similar between the two. Besides the clone aspect.

You can go mine an asteroid in high sec for hours each day for weeks on end with no problems. You could choose to never leave the station and do nothing but trade on the market. You can earn stacks of ISK without really even needing a ship.

Could you imagine getting paid in EVE for sitting in station just because you joined a fleet and they completed a mission? I know the dynamics don't work that way, but it's the best I can come up with this very moment.

Eve doesn't reward not participating. You could sit in station and do nothing, but that's all you'll get is passive SP.

Jesus Christ, nobody wants more for using proto. We want more for performance over time in battle.

It sounds like you're saying you want your cake (40-1 KDR etc), and eat it too (positive payout upon loss of HAV).

If payout is only/mostly based on war points, this would mean all the poor noobs in militia suits would get little or no share of the money. I know this game is all about capitalism and corporations and stuff, but you gotta remember that you've (I'm assuming) been here since beta. New players joining now under this new rule you're proposing would make it unappealing to newcomers.

And for fraksakes... Why would you regularly bring expensive HAVs to pub matches?!

There are better ways to eliminate the AFK problem than radically altering the payout table to base it nearly entirely on WP. The problem is you're going to chase away all of the new players just out of the battle academy. You can detect if they ever leave the MCC, how much damage they do to other players (even if they don't get a kill or kill assist), how much time are they spending within X meters of an objective, how many times have they died? etc. These metrics will look very different for someone going AFK and a guy with crap gear just starting out getting stomped by guys wearing the most expensive suits in pub matches. People going AFK should get booted from the match and receive 0 ISK, people struggling to get started while getting pubstomped should still get a decent payout even if they have very low WPs.

The bar to get into Proto gear is actually very low when you see this game 10+ years out. If it ever gets to the point where more than the absolute badasses can make a profit wearing proto in the open matches then the game will be broken and need to be re-balanaced.

hah, true on all points.

what the vets that run proto/HAV all the bloody time would completely ruin the game for aonyone new coming in, because of the sheer amount of grinding the newbies would need to do just to make enough to use anything that would climb the ladder. there should be a bit more pay to the board toppers of WP [for god's sake i saw a logi go 1/3 and have near 3k warpoints] and get away from the importnance of that CoD shitset of KDR, because lets face it, KRD doesn't mean jack diddly for most things, its all about the Warpoints

The largest problem with this sentimate is assuming proto would still be the best. If this game follows a track like eve did in 10 years there will be dropsuits that never existed before.
It is irrational to plan 10 years down the road in a game like this at least then it comes to the payout system. I mean otherwise why not reward players with like 100 isk flat for winning and loosers 20isk because otherwise in 10 years players will be millionairs.

Actually i am pretty new to the game. Only been playing a month. But once you know what gets you war points and you have a mic and learn to take direction you can earn some pretty good isk. Rewarding players that suck with high isk because they are new is a very poor idea. if you dont know what your doing deal with the fact your payouts will suck until you get a clue. The starter fits are free so you cant even loose money using them.