I'm about to start.

14-5, #2 on the board. Took out a squad of protos with an orbital.

Received a payout of 212,000 ISK. I could AFK in the the MCC and get 180,000.

A loss of about 400,000 ISK.

The alternative is to run around in BPOs and grind 15 hours a week to save money to play a few matches in my good stuff. Then cross my fingers that I get hit detection with my MD.

I'm done grinding. I can't afford to play the game on a regular basis at this rate.

Come up with a system that pays more for people that want to risk their proto gear.

all passive SP would fix this grinding problem instantly

also if your suit is THAT expensive, and you lose money on average using it, consider making the suit cheaper? the weapon and dropsuit are by far the most expensive parts of a fit. consider dropping down to an ADV weapon instead of proto?

So you want to use proto gear and face no risk of loosing money? Im sorry, the game is not intended to work that way, proto gear is too cheap as it is. If you can't afford it, just switch to the god damned ADV gear, its not that bad.

If the point of the game is to grind until you can use the best equipment and then never use it because it's too expensive... there's been a failure in the fundamental mechanics of the game.

If the point of the game is to grind until you can use the best equipment and then never use it because it's too expensive... there's been a failure in the fundamental mechanics of the game.

I can't believe i just read this...

I may not be an expert on the topic, but here's a hint: Prototype gear is for use in planetary conquest. In public matches it's just for vanity.

Beeing responsible for your own money is part of the game. Proto gear is supposed to be used in amatches that you can't afford to loose.

You want maximum performance all the time? Goddam pay for it.

Again go back and look at the OP.

And consider that I could go 35-2 and lose money.

Are you people really this stupid, honestly or do you just like to argue.

Thor, although I support the ability to make Isk I will take this opportunity to point out that the easiest way to do this is through massive amounts of WP. If you make 2000+ WP in a match it is likely that you will also make 400-500k isk that match. This is why I have been lobbying for a player market as well as manufacturing capabilities.

But that just not true. It's not consistent. I had 2100 WP in the match before and received 320,000 WP.

I received 500,000 isk in a domination match that I had 2400 WP in and that's the only time I've ever gotten that much. One other time I've gotten 400,000.

I get a lot of WP. Now that the respec money is gone I'm sitting on 16,000,000 and reality is setting in.

It's frustrating and I'm not sure how anyone can be happy with it. You should be able to calculate your ISK payout at the end of battle screen screen based on WP, KDR, and W/L

Time in match should matter ZERO. Performance only

Wrong.

ISK payout isn't directly based on your WP.

For whatever asinine reason ISK payouts are based on the "value" of whatever enemy equipment you destroy during a game.

If you're fighting against a team that is using all expensive equipment and get 2000+ WP then you're going to get a large payout.

If you're fighting against a team that continuously spams militia gear and get 2000+ WP you're getting a crap payout.

The failure here is that your payout truly has almost ZERO basis on how well you play or how good your gear is but on the gear your enemy uses.

the highest I went was just under 700k ISK but I kill 12 HAVs 3 ADS 12 protobears and 8 LLAVs and went 38-1 and lost 100k ISK because the HAV I used cost more then what I got in the match.

This is why I don't understand busting out proto gear in pub matches. don't run what you can't afford to lose.

there needs to be some balance in this game so someone with <2 million SP can compete with someone that has >10million SP in pub matches. If people are just running proto 100% of the time then there is an imbalance to the pub matches, which is bad for Dust.

Use throw away gear for throw away matches. Use serious gear in serious matches. It's a rather simple concept.

as for tankers going 40-1 and still losing money, I'll give this bit of advice - if your corp won't finance your tank, find a corp that will. I don't think HAVs were meant for the lonewolf, at least not until we get a contract system up and running where the ISK payout from the contract will pay for whatever tank

the highest I went was just under 700k ISK but I kill 12 HAVs 3 ADS 12 protobears and 8 LLAVs and went 38-1 and lost 100k ISK because the HAV I used cost more then what I got in the match.

Can you propose something to fix this? I don't think that payouts should be strictly limited to WP but also believe that there has got to be a better way. A person in a 50k isk suit should be able to make a profit but unless they die less than 4 times in a match they generally will not.

You need to somehow scale payouts to reflect the "quality" of each soldier to some degree.

Think of it this way. If you have a mercenary with a BB gun and a burlap sack for armor and another with state of the art equipment would you pay them the same exact rate for their services?

The way things stand now I believe that every single player on a specific team gets the same exact payout at the end of a match based on the total losses suffered by the enemy. This is how in one match you can AFK and get 180K and in another fight to your best and still make 180K.

You're never going to see the system improve though to the point where prototype armor becomes anything less than a pain to lose because it would mean more work for the developers.

Once people are playing well enough and are able to play regularly in prototype gear what are they going to strive for next? The developers would need to provide another tier for them to aim for next to keep the game interesting. Instead they provide a system where playing in high tier gear is unprofitable meaning it always stays just out of reach for most players providing a goal most people will always strive for and never meet.