DUST Search - AFK Farming is the only way to sustain

Vell0cet wrote:

Thurak1 wrote:

I think the payouts should be based right on WP's. After all you earn warpoints with both taking objectivs destroying buildings and killing players so if the system was balanced on how much kills and building destruction is worth than payouts based on war points would be very fair.
I would take out getting any payment based on time in the map. If your not contributing and have 0 WP you should get 0 reward. This would make afk camping pointless.
As far as gear goes honestly with better gear and more gameplay you should be able to contribute more to your team with more kills or hacks or something so better gear really should equate to better payouts when payout is based on WP.

For the post based on making proto gear affordable. It takes more than isk to get into proto gear and if you suck even if payouts are increased crappy players still wont be able to afford proto gear for long.

There are better ways to eliminate the AFK problem than radically altering the payout table to base it nearly entirely on WP. The problem is you're going to chase away all of the new players just out of the battle academy. You can detect if they ever leave the MCC, how much damage they do to other players (even if they don't get a kill or kill assist), how much time are they spending within X meters of an objective, how many times have they died? etc. These metrics will look very different for someone going AFK and a guy with crap gear just starting out getting stomped by guys wearing the most expensive suits in pub matches. People going AFK should get booted from the match and receive 0 ISK, people struggling to get started while getting pubstomped should still get a decent payout even if they have very low WPs.

The bar to get into Proto gear is actually very low when you see this game 10+ years out. If it ever gets to the point where more than the absolute badasses can make a profit wearing proto in the open matches then the game will be broken and need to be re-balanaced.


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Thurak1 Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2013.06.04 03:06:00 - [1] - Quote I think the payouts should be based right on WP's. After all you earn warpoints with both taking objectivs destroying buildings and killing players so if the system was balanced on how much kills and building destruction is worth than payouts based on war points would be very fair. I would take out getting any payment based on time in the map. If your not contributing and have 0 WP you should get 0 reward. This would make afk camping pointless. As far as gear goes honestly with better gear and more gameplay you should be able to contribute more to your team with more kills or hacks or something so better gear really should equate to better payouts when payout is based on WP. For the post based on making proto gear affordable. It takes more than isk to get into proto gear and if you suck even if payouts are increased crappy players still wont be able to afford proto gear for long.
Thurak1 Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:48:00 - [2] - Quote One key thing to remember with what i had previously said is that it would also require a good working WP system. I think there are many things in the game that should give at least a few WP like drop uplinks. Right now i am exhausted though so i cant really think about this in depth but to me once a system of giving out WP's is fair for contributions to the team then it would be very fair to also base payout right on wp's maybe even as simple as making isk = wp x 10 or something so you could even predictibaly earn isk knowing how many hacks you get in a match. I do also agree that simply causing damadge even if it does not directly result in a kill should be rewarded especially for starter players. It shouldnt be a huge reward since damadge can be regened without an issue but there should be something for people running starter builds that cant seem to get a kill so they can still skill up and earn isk.
Thurak1 Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 11	Posted - 2013.06.06 05:55:00 - [3] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Thurak1 wrote: I think the payouts should be based right on WP's. After all you earn warpoints with both taking objectivs destroying buildings and killing players so if the system was balanced on how much kills and building destruction is worth than payouts based on war points would be very fair. I would take out getting any payment based on time in the map. If your not contributing and have 0 WP you should get 0 reward. This would make afk camping pointless. As far as gear goes honestly with better gear and more gameplay you should be able to contribute more to your team with more kills or hacks or something so better gear really should equate to better payouts when payout is based on WP. For the post based on making proto gear affordable. It takes more than isk to get into proto gear and if you suck even if payouts are increased crappy players still wont be able to afford proto gear for long. There are better ways to eliminate the AFK problem than radically altering the payout table to base it nearly entirely on WP. The problem is you're going to chase away all of the new players just out of the battle academy. You can detect if they ever leave the MCC, how much damage they do to other players (even if they don't get a kill or kill assist), how much time are they spending within X meters of an objective, how many times have they died? etc. These metrics will look very different for someone going AFK and a guy with crap gear just starting out getting stomped by guys wearing the most expensive suits in pub matches. People going AFK should get booted from the match and receive 0 ISK, people struggling to get started while getting pubstomped should still get a decent payout even if they have very low WPs. The bar to get into Proto gear is actually very low when you see this game 10+ years out. If it ever gets to the point where more than the absolute badasses can make a profit wearing proto in the open matches then the game will be broken and need to be re-balanaced. The largest problem with this sentimate is assuming proto would still be the best. If this game follows a track like eve did in 10 years there will be dropsuits that never existed before. It is irrational to plan 10 years down the road in a game like this at least then it comes to the payout system. I mean otherwise why not reward players with like 100 isk flat for winning and loosers 20isk because otherwise in 10 years players will be millionairs.
Thurak1 Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 11	Posted - 2013.06.06 05:58:00 - [4] - Quote Rachoi wrote: Vile Heathen wrote: It sounds like you're saying you want your cake (40-1 KDR etc), and eat it too (positive payout upon loss of HAV). If payout is only/mostly based on war points, this would mean all the poor noobs in militia suits would get little or no share of the money. I know this game is all about capitalism and corporations and stuff, but you gotta remember that you've (I'm assuming) been here since beta. New players joining now under this new rule you're proposing would make it unappealing to newcomers. And for fraksakes... Why would you regularly bring expensive HAVs to pub matches?! hah, true on all points. what the vets that run proto/HAV all the bloody time would completely ruin the game for aonyone new coming in, because of the sheer amount of grinding the newbies would need to do just to make enough to use anything that would climb the ladder. there should be a bit more pay to the board toppers of WP [for god's sake i saw a logi go 1/3 and have near 3k warpoints] and get away from the importnance of that CoD shitset of KDR, because lets face it, KRD doesn't mean jack diddly for most things, its all about the Warpoints Actually i am pretty new to the game. Only been playing a month. But once you know what gets you war points and you have a mic and learn to take direction you can earn some pretty good isk. Rewarding players that suck with high isk because they are new is a very poor idea. if you dont know what your doing deal with the fact your payouts will suck until you get a clue. The starter fits are free so you cant even loose money using them.